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The United Methodist Church overturned its 40-year ban on gay clergy Wednesday, marking a historic shift in the church’s stance on homosexuality.

The church has long been divided into factions over LGBTQ inclusion and even weighed splitting into two separate churches over the issue, CNN previously reported.

In 1984, the church banned “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” from becoming members of the clergy, and later added performing or celebrating same-sex unions to “a list of chargeable offenses that could result in a church trial,” according to a timeline of the church’s history with the LGBTQ community.

The Methodist community spent the ensuing decades debating, fighting and praying over their stance on gay clergy and LGBTQ members. But Wednesday’s vote by the church’s top legislative body signaled a historic shift toward acceptance and inclusion.

In a 692-51 vote, church leaders passed several rules without debate, including overturning both its ban on gay clergy and the penalties for holding same-sex marriages, according to the United Methodist News service.

After the vote, Hope Morgan Ward, a retired bishop in the United Methodist Church, prayed the church would be used as “peacemakers and servants” and be “welcoming of all people into the embrace of God.”

According to the Methodist news service, members cheered, cried and hugged after the vote.

“We’ve been going on like this since the ’70s and, finally, in just a brief few minutes with no debate, it was gone. And now we can get on about the business of the church,” Marilyn Murphy, an observer from the church’s South Carolina conference, told the news service.

LGBTQ advocates within the church hailed the decision.

Matt Patrick, co-pastor at the University United Methodist Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma, told CNN he became emotional after the church announced the decision.

“I did tear up this morning at the announcement of the vote because it was just a huge relief to see justice had been done after so many years,” he said. “There’s just been a lot of pain in order to get us to this place.”

Though the prohibition on gay clergy has been removed from the church bylaws, Patrick said the work will continue to ensure the Methodist church is as an inclusive place for everyone.

“Where we go from here, God only knows,” he said.

More changes are expected as the legislative conference continues in Charlotte, North Carolina.

 
Who the fuck cares at this point? Most people who call themselves Christians don't know anything about their faith beyond "Protestant and Catholic" and consider all denominations to basically be nothing more than Jesus worship.
 
God dammit.
I had no issues with treating a congregant's sexual orientation as their own business between them and God, no issues with welcoming anyone willing to follow the message and doctrine into the Church. Everyone is a sinner, plank out of your own eye, preach where the sinners are, etc. But you can't let someone actively, willingly, and openly leading a lifestyle centered around sin as clergy or councilmembers.
Bunch of fucking cucks.
And right as I'm getting ready to move, so hope the new neighborhood Methodists sided with people who aren't making sucking troon cock part of church doctrine.

I don't want to have to side with the breakaways and the Africans.
Also includes the ones in Asia
Oh. Well, now we're talking.

It’s a long-forgotten fact, but Hillary Clinton is a “Certified Lay Speaker” in the United Methodist Church. She wears that shit on her sleeve same as Pelosi and Biden with their “Catholic” faith.
This is a super lame "attaboy". In real terms it means that she can be paid to speak at official church/Church functions without needing to go through approval.
 
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If your church doesn't practice apostolic succession its not a real church and lately even that standard has started to crack.
Considering that the Catholic Church has a heretic at the top of the hierarchy, the standard at this point is really just not having a church whose preaching goes directly against the Bible
 
“Where we go from here, God only knows,” he said.
To Hell.

If you're a gay, why would you join a church that says you have to be married and monogamous in order to have sex, unless you're secretly trying to subvert it?
I'll mark the day, this is the first time in my life I'm seeing actual homophobia.

Christianity is aspirational. Whores and coomers join the church, too. You don't have to never ever sin, you have to try to not sin. If you're gay, you can try to not fuck men (it's rather difficult to accidentally fuck someone). Marry a normal woman with no sex drive, or a similarly repentant dyke, or just don't marry. Don't look at porn. Repent after fapping. Too much of a slut? Too bad, but trying to follow other laws is better than not following any. Just try to follow them instead of (((weaselling out))).

No sin is unforgivable except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Raped a kid? Repent, surrender yourself, get life or the woodchipper, go to heaven. Straight coomers have episodes of post-nut clarity, it's not impossible that a gay wakes up one day and thinks, wait, this is foul, what am I doing with my life.

It is therefore homophobic to think God is so put off by buttsechs that he'll find it impossible to forgive, like you found an exploit, Hell speedrun Any% WR please like and subscribe. No, God is not afraid of a busted incontinent man ass.

That said, priests are role models, they should be on their best behavior. No gay whore priests, no straight whore priests, and no female priests (it's not women's fault but men will not follow a woman).
 
and no female priests (it's not women's fault but men will not follow a woman).
Do I have to point at the sign again? Votting patterns indicate what women given power are more inclined to support. Aristophanes knew this 2300 years ago with assemblywomen, this is why the church knew not to allow women power in the form of priesthood.

This "Men won't follow women" dumb considering half our modern day leaders are women.
 
I don't want to have to side with the breakaways and the Africans.
Also includes the ones in Asia
Oh. Well, now we're talking.
We knew this was coming when COVID was used as an excuse to not have the special conference that would have formalized the split after the Progs lost back in 2019. Most of the breakaways left because the agreement that was reached had a cut off date after which they wouldn't be allowed to take church property with them. Also, the Progs where gaming the system to get the votes they needed, like most Leftists they never stay beaten. Amusingly, the Africans mostly aren't joining the breakaways, they wanted to stay so the GMC and other organizations are mostly American.
 
If your church doesn't practice apostolic succession its not a real church and lately even that standard has started to crack.
I think one of the good things about the Protestant churches is the mechanisms in place to simply ditch the chaff and not have to endure institutional capture. The Catholic Church can't really have the same thing happen, and you see it now with Pope Francis and his bullshit (teetering on the line of heresy, absolving Father Rupnik, etc.) Actual TradCaths can't just break from the Roman Church without a lot of mental gymnastics. I know it's possible, like with what SSPX and the sedevacantists do, but the logic isn't really sound in my opinion.

The Anglican Communion is basically in full tilt schism between the traditionalists and the modernists, but the mechanisms have allowed those traditionalist churches to leave the organization and not have to put up with it. The ACNA, for instance, was able to split from the Episcopal Church that way.
 
I think one of the good things about the Protestant churches is the mechanisms in place to simply ditch the chaff and not have to endure institutional capture. The Catholic Church can't really have the same thing happen, and you see it now with Pope Francis and his bullshit (teetering on the line of heresy, absolving Father Rupnik, etc.) Actual TradCaths can't just break from the Roman Church without a lot of mental gymnastics. I know it's possible, like with what SSPX and the sedevacantists do, but the logic isn't really sound in my opinion.
I mean, this really devout ordained priest named Martin Luther had a few ideas on how to deal with the Church's institutional fuckery.

Unfortunately for him and the Church as a whole his attempts at peaceful discussion and reconciliation were labeled a heresy. Whoops!
 
Haven’t Methodists and Lutherans been splintering a ton because gay billionaires and the troon heir of a hotel chain basically doing a 30 year plan since their parents died.

Yep, a few rich degenerates have made it their missions in life to destroy certain churches

Over seven thousand congregations have already left the UMC. They saw what happened to the other mainliners and got out while they could. When a group breaks away from a corrupt, moribund organization like this, it usually leads to theological, missional, and liturgical, revival. The breakaway group has to reaffirm their doctrine, introduce themselves to the world, and--a practical but very real consideration--print new service books. So I think those 7000 congregations will do well.

Agreed. The UMC will probably go extinct in a few generations, exactly the same as the other idiot woke churches

It's amazing how apostate these nu-churchs are, so desperate for shekels, so eager to worship mammon over God - and yet I never see any large groups coming or going from them, even on sundays. And they are all crumbling to pieces with fag flags on the lawn. It's almost like the Anti-Christ runs the modern church... oh wait.

Yep, their membership numbers get nuked and the degenerates never show up....
 
Reading the bible cover to cover isn't common amongst self professed christians anymore. Easy to include faggots in your church if you never read the OT or write it off as God's angry phase. The story of Lot is highly problematic, what with the condemnation of buttsex and incest.
 
I mean, this really devout ordained priest named Martin Luther had a few ideas on how to deal with the Church's institutional fuckery.

Unfortunately for him and the Church as a whole his attempts at peaceful discussion and reconciliation were labeled a heresy. Whoops!
Luther was a boastful, prideful and arrogant man who fucked nuns and wrote about how awesome he was. Dude wasn't genuinely what I'd call devout or filled with the humility of the priesthood.
 
Considering that the Catholic Church has a heretic at the top of the hierarchy, the standard at this point is really just not having a church whose preaching goes directly against the Bible
Francis isn't a formal or material heretic, at least openly. He's said some questionable things off-the-cuff regarding moral issues but nothing considered heresy. That's a very serious crime under canon law and requires obstinate denial of a truth which is to be believed by faith"

Emphasis on faith because it applies to those things we can't prove through our natural reason. That's something like denying the resurrection of Christ, believing that Jesus was created by the Father or has a single nature, or that transubstantiation does not happen during consecration of the Eucharist.

Otherwise, sin itself would be considered heresy. He can definitely commit the sin of scandal by saying these things however.
 
Luther was a boastful, prideful and arrogant man who fucked nuns and wrote about how awesome he was. Dude wasn't genuinely what I'd call devout or filled with the humility of the priesthood.
I mean yeah, its not like Martin Luther was just the last of a long list of reformers like John Wycliffe and Jan Hus, all of whom were deal with harshly for pointing out that the Pope had no clothes.

Do we really want to start talking about indulgences, all of the various Popes who appointed bastards to positions or power, or the massive bribery campaigns involved in the Papal elections?
 
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