Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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Greer v. Moon 2:20-cv-00647 — District Court, D. Utah

  • Docket No.
    2:20-cv-00647
  • Court
    District Court, D. Utah
  • Filed
    Sep 15, 2020
  • Terminated
    Apr 22, 2024
  • Nature of Suit
    820 Copyright
  • Cause
    17:0501 Copyright Infringement
  • Jurisdiction
    Federal Question
  • Jury Demand
    None
  • Last Filing
    Aug 6, 2024

Parties (4)

Parties
Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms, Lolcow, LLC, Russell G. Greer

Recent Filings (showing 5 of 30)

# Date Description Filing
Aug 6, 2024 Case no longer referred to Magistrate Judge Jared C. Bennett. (kpf)
113 May 15, 2024 ORDER of USCA Supreme Court Circuit as to 45 Notice of Appeal, filed by Russell G. Greer. Supreme Court order dated 05/13/2024 denying certiorari. (jrj) (Entered: 05/16/2024)
112 Apr 28, 2024 NOTICE OF TRANSMITTAL that case has been transferred to Northern District of Floridia via electronic given case number 3:24-cv-00122-MCR-ZCB. (nl) (Entered: 04/29/2024)
111 Apr 25, 2024 Report on the Final Decision of an action mailed to the Register of Copyrights Office. (kpf) (Additional attachment(s) added on 4/26/2024: # 1 Copy Right Form) (kpf). (Entered: 04/26/2024) PDF
110 Apr 25, 2024 NOTICE OF TRANSMITTAL that case has been transferred to Northern District of Florida. (kpf) (Entered: 04/26/2024)

Greer v. Moon 21-4128 — Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit

  • Docket No.
    21-4128
  • Court
    Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit
  • Filed
    Oct 26, 2021
  • Nature of Suit
    3820 Copyright
  • Last Filing
    Oct 15, 2023

Recent Filings (showing 5 of 11)

# Date Description Filing
10010936535 Oct 15, 2023 Case termination for opinion
10010794067 Jan 5, 2023 [10967591] Calendar Acknowledgment Form filed by Joshua Moon. Served on 01/06/2023. Manner of Service: email. [21-4128] GGS [Entered: 01/06/2023 12:15 PM]
10010791785 Jan 2, 2023 [10966429] Order filed by Clerk of the Court denying Appellees’ Motion to Waive Oral Argument. The oral argument set for January 18, 2023 in Denver, Colorado remains set as scheduled. Counsel for Defendants - Appellees shall file a calendar acknowledgment form by January 5, 2023. Served on 01/03/2023. [21-4128] [Entered: 01/03/2023 10:16 AM]
10010776728 Dec 1, 2022 [10959168] Response filed by Russell G. Greer to Appellees' Motion to Waive Oral Argument. Served on 12/02/2022. Manner of Service: email. This pleading complies with all required privacy and virus certifications: Yes. [21-4128] AG [Entered: 12/02/2022 12:34 AM]
10010776140 Nov 30, 2022 [10958830] Calendar Acknowledgment Form filed by Russell G. Greer. Served on 12/01/2022. Manner of Service: email. [21-4128] GWK [Entered: 12/01/2022 07:49 AM]

GREER v. MOON 3:24-cv-00122 — District Court, N.D. Florida

  • Docket No.
    3:24-cv-00122
  • Court
    District Court, N.D. Florida
  • Filed
    Mar 19, 2024
  • Terminated
    Jun 10, 2024
  • Nature of Suit
    820 Copyright
  • Cause
    17:501 Copyright Infringement
  • Jurisdiction
    Federal Question
  • Jury Demand
    None
  • Last Filing
    Oct 16, 2024

Parties (4)

Parties
RUSSELL G GREER, JOSHUA MOON, LOLCOW LLC, KIWI FARMS

Recent Filings (showing 5 of 30)

# Date Description Filing
Oct 16, 2024 ACTION REQUIRED BY MAGISTRATE JUDGE: Chambers of MAGISTRATE JUDGE ZACHARY C BOLITHO notified that action is needed Re: 132 Mail Returned. (mah)
132 Oct 15, 2024 Mail Returned as Undeliverable. Mail sent to Russell G. Greer re: 128 ORDER. Order mailed to 1155 S. Twain Avenue, Suite 108420, Las Vegas, NV 89169. (Attachment: #1 Notice of Returned Mail). (mah) (Entered: 10/17/2024) PDF
131 Jul 10, 2024 AO 121 Copyright Case Notification of order entered. Copy sent to the Register of Copyrights. U.S. Copyright Office, 101 Independence Ave. S.E., Washington, D.C. 20559-6000. (adf) (Entered: 07/11/2024) PDF
130 Jun 10, 2024 ACKNOWLEDGMENT re 129 Case Transferred Out to Another District. Case transferred from Florida Northern has been opened in District of Utah as case 2:24cv00421, filed 06/11/2024. (jfj) (Entered: 06/13/2024) PDF
129 Jun 10, 2024 Interdistrict Transfer to the District of Utah. (jfj) (Entered: 06/11/2024)

Greer v. Moon 2:24-cv-00421 — District Court, D. Utah

  • Docket No.
    2:24-cv-00421
  • Court
    District Court, D. Utah
  • Filed
    Jun 10, 2024
  • Nature of Suit
    820 Copyright
  • Cause
    17:0501 Copyright Infringement
  • Jurisdiction
    Federal Question
  • Jury Demand
    Plaintiff
  • Last Filing
    Apr 27, 2026

Parties (4)

Parties
Russell G. Greer, Lolcow LLC, Kiwi Farms, Joshua Moon

Recent Filings (showing 5 of 50)

# Date Description Filing
473 Apr 27, 2026 RESPONSE re 468 Objection to Magistrate Judge Decision 460 to District Court filed by Russell G. Greer. (alf) (Entered: 04/28/2026) 1
472 Apr 14, 2026 MEMORANDUM in Opposition re 465 Response re 462 Order filed by Russell G. Greer. (alf) (Entered: 04/15/2026) 1
471 Apr 14, 2026 MEMORANDUM in Opposition re 469 MOTION to Strike 464 Answer to Counterclaim and Memorandum in Support; MOTION to deem factual allegations admitted filed by Plaintiff Russell G. Greer. (alf) (Entered: 04/15/2026) 1
470 Apr 13, 2026 Modification of Docket re 469 MOTION to Strike : Error: The document is requesting two possible reliefs. An event should be chosen for each relief filer is requesting, including motions in the alternative. Correction: MOTION to deem factual allegations admitted added to the entry. No further action is needed. (alf) (Entered: 04/15/2026)
469 Apr 13, 2026 MOTION to Strike 464 Answer to Counterclaim and alternative MOTION to deem factual allegations admitted and Memorandum in Support filed by Defendants Lolcow LLC, Joshua Moon, Counter Claimants Lolcow LLC, Joshua Moon. Motions referred to Jared C. Bennett.(Hardin, Matthew). Added MOTION on 4/15/2026 (alf). (Entered: 04/14/2026) 1
Assuming Utah says "LOL, still your problem Florida" what is defendant's status update?
"Still waiting for the court to rule on motions 1-73, still waiting for plaintiff to provide valid address, still waiting for scheduling conference by plaintiff."
 
I’d say that is the most likely response
The problem is he has to issue something for Hardin to pass on to the FL judge (which shouldn't fucking be the case, why is the fucking burden on the defendant, get fucked entire justice system), which he fucking either WON'T, or it will take so fucking long that I'll have brain cancer from waiting.

How Josh doesn't fedpost more is a fucking mystery, because I'm not even involved and I've crossed the line from being mildly entertained to being not. fucking. entertained.
 
Yes, and Utah tried to nail it really tightly closed. Russell didn't listen.

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Hardin filing the subsequent reply is now looking like a good call.

I wonder how/why the Florida court took notice of the late Utah filings at all. Surely they weren't monitoring the other docket just for fun? It had to be Russ contacting them and telling them things aren't over in Utah, and they believed him without looking up whether those filings were proper or not.
 
The problem is he has to issue something for Hardin to pass on to the FL judge (which shouldn't fucking be the case, why is the fucking burden on the defendant, get fucked entire justice system), which he fucking either WON'T, or it will take so fucking long that I'll have brain cancer from waiting.

How Josh doesn't fedpost more is a fucking mystery, because I'm not even involved and I've crossed the line from being mildly entertained to being not. fucking. entertained.
its not really the end of the world
remember, the status quo is fine for null. kf is up and running, and people are posting about greer on it. if the courts keep the case in limbo forever, then the status quo remains, which means null is winning.
it is russ who wants to use the courts to change this status quo. as long as that doesn't happen, russ is losing.
 
Nobody wants to deal with this but I have to. What Russel has filed is literally insane but it's an opportunity to not deal with this case.

lol what the fuck is going on?

I assume that as soon as Northern District of Florida US Magistrate Judge Zachary Bolitho and his staff discovered that this was a lolsuit involving (1) the gosh darn evil Kiwi Farms and (2) "the guy that sued Taylor Swift",

Bolitho and his office staff were looking for any excuse to get rid of it...

No one wants this case.

What's that old saying?

"If you want justice, don't go to the courts; you'll only find the law there."

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Does all the judge in Utah have to do is rule that its no longer in his court and it goes to FL? Or are we in a limbo of hot potato between the judges on who has authority?
 
Brilliant. For all the talk of 'courts are hardened to prevent ping-ponging' this case is going to bounce between the districts like a service ticket between pajeets, each demanding the other do the needful.
 
Does all the judge in Utah have to do is rule that its no longer in his court and it goes to FL? Or are we in a limbo of hot potato between the judges on who has authority?
At this point, if the Judge does that whats stopping Russ from just filing more bullshit motions? This utterly ridiculous move to halt the proceedings in florida to wait on rulings for invalid motions has opened a can of worms.
 
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been asking around on reddit, without dropping names or giving identifying details about the case.
 
The thirty (thirsty?) minutes might be working in Russ's favor here, because MAYBE there's some argument that things got crossed or who knows what.

This is batshit insane.
Can’t the Utah judge direct the clerk not to accept any more filings in the case, or something along those lines?
Maybe both courts are trying to limbo the case where it's not active in the 10th but also not active in the 11th.

At some point this becomes so insane the supremes hear about it just because of how fucking weird it is procedurally.

Anyway TOTAL JANNY VICTORY for being too damn lazy to update the thread title.
 
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This poor redditor is probably going to be executed by the others for agreeing with the evil kiwi farms 🙏. Why would you do this to this poor wholesome probably obese man.
To be fair I didn't mention it was Greer vs moon and Kiwifarms, a website.
 
I wonder if anything about this will be taught in law schools in the future? Or does it not work that way?

This lawsuit is a gift and I'm sure it's not going to make josh age at all.

If the supreme court listens to Josh's filing (I forget what it's called but the one with a low chance of being heard) does this sort or "kicking the can" help with anything?
 
A judge that might not actually be able to do anything, mind you.
This is fucking with me, so I looked up the issue in Wright & Miller to see what's going on. This is from section 3846 "Effect of Transfer":

When a motion for transfer under 28 U.S.C.A. § 1404(a) is granted and the papers are lodged with the clerk of the transferee court, the transferor court and the appellate court for the circuit in which that court sits lose jurisdiction over the case and may not proceed further with regard to it. Indeed, some courts have held that jurisdiction vests in the transferee court upon receipt of a certified copy of the order of transfer, even though that court has not received the transfer papers from the transferor court. Appellate review of the transfer order, if available at all, seems more appropriate, however, in the court of appeals in which the transferor court sits than in the court of appeals to which the case is transferred. Thus, the better practice, codified in some local district court rules, is to stay the effect of transfer orders for a sufficient period to enable appellate review to be sought.

There may be two limited exceptions to the generally accepted doctrine, both of which provide for review of a transfer by the appellate court in which the transferor court sits. If an appeal from a transfer order has been filed and docketed at the time the physical transfer between districts takes place, the transferor district is without power to complete a valid physical transfer and the appeal may go forward. In a related vein, if a party contends that the district court lacked power to order the transfer—for example, when it transfers to a district in which the suit could not have been brought—then its purported transfer is a nullity, and can be reviewed by the circuit in which the transferor court sits. The case authority for these two escape valves is very slim, and each creates possibilities of unseemly duplication of effort by all concerned, and perhaps even inter-circuit conflict, if an appeal is going forward in one circuit while the papers are lodged in a district court in another. Thus it would be risky to rely on these precedents, and a stay of the transfer order is a safer procedure. Failing all else, the transferor court informally may request the transferee court to return the papers so that the transfer order can be reconsidered or reviewed.

The transfer order is not subject to direct review by the transferee court or its court of appeals, at least if the change of venue is to a different circuit.
But an order of transfer is not completely immune from further consideration, nor is it subject to the principle of issue preclusion, or collateral estoppel. A motion to retransfer the action may be made in the transferee court and the ruling on that motion is reviewable in the court of appeals in which the transferee district court sits.

Not surprisingly, transferee courts have expressed a strong reluctance to review a transfer order indirectly by means of a motion to retransfer. They have the power to do so if the contention is that the transferor court lacked the power to order the transfer rather than merely that the transferor court abused its discretion in applying the statute. Even then, though, the doctrine of law of the case and notions of judicial comity ordinarily suggest that the decision of a coordinate court should not be reconsidered. But such restraint is not universally exhibited. A motion to retransfer is perfectly appropriate, however, on a showing of changed circumstances, particularly when such developments would frustrate the purpose of the change of venue.
Looking at this and the cited case law, it seems there is some support for the proposition that if there was a very quickly filed motion to reconsider, the transferor court may have jurisdiction to review. There may also be local court rules affecting this. Since it wasn't an appeal of the order to transfer that Greer filed, but a motion to reconsider, that makes things more confusing.

Russ may have retardedly ended up being vindicated, but it's certainly not for the reasons why the Florida court shoveled things back to Utah. It would be because the Utah court still has jurisdiction to consider a motion to reconsider that is filed before the Florida court officially accepted the case. (Or because the Florida court wants the Utah court to determine whether it has jurisdiction before it moves anything along.) That said, there is no truly settled law on this. Some courts even say jurisdiction is out of their hands when the transferee court merely receives the certified copy of the order to transfer.

Of course, the Utah court could still just end up denying the motion to reconsider. But this is all starting to create the type of jurisdictional fuckery that you can only get when you have a retarded litigant.
 
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