Is national birth rate decline inevitable in an industrialized society?

[Night Crawler]

Birthrates fluctuate with the economy. Good economies produce baby booms. declining economies don't. It's just the way it is.

Want people to have kids? Make it affordable.

 

[geckogoy]

Want people to have kids? Make it affordable.

This remains retarded and overtly counterfactual

 

[Night Crawler]

This remains retarded and overtly counterfactual
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Nope. The decline in birth rates follows the economic decline. If people can't afford it, they won't have kids.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Ze Frenzh are planing to enshrine abortion in their Constitution. That'll help with the population stats.
Charlemagne is playing beyblade in his grave.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

A life without children or some type of broader service to your community/humanity is utterly pointless.

When you don't believe in intrinsic human value - why would you procreate?

You should stop with your religious LARP. You're beginning to contradict yourself.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Harden the fuck up

I don't need to harden up, but my kids are gonna have to be tough as nails. Good luck, progeny - sorry about your lives!

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I don't need to harden up, but my kids are gonna have to be tough as nails. Good luck, progeny - sorry about your lives!

Sorry for coming off so edgy about it, but for real. We’ve been riding a wave of prosperity since the end of WW2 and most of our existence as a species has been harder than this.

It seems shitty to me to act all resentful at the idea we ever might come off of all time highs.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

It seems shitty to me to act all resentful at the idea we ever might come off of all time highs.

It's now "resentful" to be concerned about the well-being of your children. You people are ridiculous.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

It's now "resentful" to be concerned about the well-being of your children. You people are ridiculous.

That’s a bit disingenuous. What children? It looked like your argument was that it would be cruel to have any

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

That’s a bit disingenuous. What children? It looked like your argument was that it would be cruel to have any

And your argument was "have 'em anyway, pussy!"

 

[SpergioLeonne]

And your argument was "have 'em anyway, pussy!"

Or someone who cares even less will be the mold the future of humanity is cast in

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Or someone who cares even less will be the mold the future of humanity is cast in

Again, "the future will be bad, so throw your babies into the thresher and hope they somehow manage to stop it, despite your own complete inability to do so".

Your kids will not be the protagonists of a dystopian YA fiction novel. Larping is already gay, but trying to larp through your children is downright evil.

 

[Slap47]

Birthrates fluctuate with the economy. Good economies produce baby booms. declining economies don't. It's just the way it is.

Want people to have kids? Make it affordable.

Somalia is a wartorn shithole with no economy. The US is a world spanning superpower where the average citizen makes 1000x more than the average Somali.

Which has the higher birth rate?

 

[God of Nothing]

Somalia is a wartorn shithole with no economy. The US is a world spanning superpower where the average citizen makes 1000x more than the average Somali.

Which has the higher birth rate?

as i said, our society is mentally ill and dysfunctional
sex and reproduction is just one of our dysfunctions

 

[cybertoaster]

We got AI about to render a sizable chunk of humanity redundant if not obsolete, and climate shift its gonna hit those high-birth countries particularly bad.

Also we didn't hit peak oil but we did hit peak food: the ATH for soybeans which is one of the most basic foodstuffs was back in 2009.

What I'm trying to say is that rich countries with low populations are where you want to be right now because the future its not looking good at all and its gonna be a bumpy ride...

 

[grimacefetishist]

This is going to be ridiculously stupid and impossible to enforce. Short of chaining women down and amputating their limbs like some sort of fucked up dystopian dark fantasy, you cannot enforce such insane levels of control on half the population. Forcibly inseminate women? Okay, are you planning on watching them 24/7? During birth and after birth? Who is going to cover the costs? You're going to add insult to injury by making these women pay for it all? And ofc absolutely no woman will ever start feeling massive fucking resentment about being reduced to breeding stock. A lot of 'mysterious' infant deaths will happen, because what are you going to do to punish them? Kill your women? Great. No more women, no more babies. China can't even make half-decent stuff without cutting every corner they can and somehow they are going to do this to all their girls lol.

We would see a great uptick in female self immolators, but they would be covered up like the 2001 tianaman square "uuhhh they were Falun gong, we swear" protest

 

[SwanSwanson]

Unless rape is legalized

Relax. You could just ban university for women until they get married and have 2 kids.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Again, "the future will be bad, so throw your babies into the thresher and hope they somehow manage to stop it, despite your own complete inability to do so".

Your kids will not be the protagonists of a dystopian YA fiction novel. Larping is already gay, but trying to larp through your children is downright evil.

Yes they are. My children are just better than yours though.

Honestly, your take on it being irresponsible to have kids is gay and retarded. Kids are literally the only point of life. There isn't anything else of significance. No matter how much wealth I accumulate, it doesn't fucking matter if I have no one to leave it to. Having kids isn't a choice. It's why we exist. That's all there is to existence. That's why old people without kids are so fucking miserable.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Having kids isn't a choice.

I can guarantee you that it is.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

I can guarantee you that it is.

I can guarantee you, nature has decided that having kids isn't an option. Life is empty without them.