Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

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Spergetti said:
most of them are people who like the idea of playing a TTRPG but have never actually gotten together with other people to play. I couldn't say if anyone in this thread fits that description because you're all just pseudonyms on my screen, so I'm not accusing anyone of being a wannabe. However, if anyone reading this knows that you fit that description, you just need to understand that the reality of the hobby out in the real world is not as bleak as some people online would have you believe.
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Yes, but also no.

I've shared this a bunch of times, but in short, my experience with DnD was when people started sharing stories about their DnD adventures, and how they'd give their left tentacle for a game, only to fob me off with excuses when I tried to set one up. This continued for years until a friend invited me to his game, and from there things took off.

Eventually, people seemed to be getting bored of RPGs and were looking for an out. Then the OGL fiasco happened and TTRPG players were hard to find again.

The reality of TTRPGs for me is that wannabes is (almost) all there is. Be it Counter Monkey or Critical Role. History buffs to dangerhairs. FLGSs don't really exist here, and even the wargaming scene is more interested in lore sperging and arguing about historical accuracy than playing games.



While I'm posting, might as well give @Corn Flakes @Ghostse an update on my oneshot. It went well. While I didn't use your ideas directly, I did take some of the concepts and mixed them together. Thanks. The character funnel worked well, but there was a close call when one player nearly lost all of his characters in quick succession due to some unlucky rolls. While a good format for a one shot with fewer players, I don't see this working as character creation as intended.
 
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More soy boys on YouTube cry about Dark sun. I feel good about the setting being safe from woke censorship. It was the game that got me into AD&D. Bringing back Dark Sun was one of the few things people liked about 4E. P. S William Srd can take an HIV infected dick in his anus for saying the culture war around Dark Sun, a myth during his Dark Sun video games reviews. When the Wizard of the Coast outright said the setting was too racist and problematic to bring back.
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Also, fuck Bob World Builder for advocating censoring Birthright of all settings in his prediction video.(They were all wrong. Especially Hasbro bringing back Dark Sun) Game of Thrones of DND without religious wars, ultra nationalism and whores? It’s not even the same setting without ether of those themes.
 
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Battlefield2142EU said:
More soy boys on YouTube cry about Dark sun. I feel good about the setting being safe from woke censorship. It was the game that got me into AD&D. Bringing back Dark Sun was one of the few things people liked about 4E. P. S William Srd can take an HIV infected dick in his anus for saying the culture war around Dark Sun, a myth during his Dark Sun video games reviews. When the Wizard of the Coast outright said the setting was too racist and problematic to bring back.
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The post-apocalyptic hellscape doesn't have wheelchair ramps.
 
Judge Dredd said:
I've shared this a bunch of times, but in short, my experience with DnD was when people started sharing stories about their DnD adventures, and how they'd give their left tentacle for a game, only to fob me off with excuses when I tried to set one up. This continued for years until a friend invited me to his game, and from there things took off.

Eventually, people seemed to be getting bored of RPGs and were looking for an out. Then the OGL fiasco happened and TTRPG players were hard to find again.

The reality of TTRPGs for me is that wannabes is (almost) all there is. Be it Counter Monkey or Critical Role. History buffs to dangerhairs. FLGSs don't really exist here, and even the wargaming scene is more interested in lore sperging and arguing about historical accuracy than playing games.
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A lot of people don't really want to play, they just want some enforced social interaction, maybe with some structure around it to make the autists feel better. Or they just want to indulge their own power/sexual fantasies on others.
 
Hearing talk of IRL groups makes me miss my old IRL group.
We had a handful of people of varying stripes of life, from a MAGAboomer Father son duo, to the image of a ledditor soytype. It was a fun group, the biggest disagreements we had were over interpretation of the rules and related topics. We had the common sense that seems to be rare nowadays insomuch that it was an escapism and not a way to channel some agenda faggotry. Sadly the group effectively died when covid hit and some had to move away. We wrapped up the campaign that started IRL and was then taken online for the aforementioned reasons, but it just wasn't the same. Not to condemn online play, when it's all you can get it's ok so long as you're selective with who you play with, but it pales in comparison to IRL play... God I miss it...
 
Wallace said:
A lot of people don't really want to play, they just want some enforced social interaction, maybe with some structure around it to make the autists feel better. Or they just want to indulge their own power/sexual fantasies on others.
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I had the 'social interaction' issue with a player. They would try to have social hour before the game and keep it going after it was supposed to be time to start, would inject tangents during game, and when this was pointed out to them, then would bitch the game ended too late to catch up with everyone after - despite the character and player doing everything possible to draw out in-game events.

I would have disinvited them but they were hosting so I'd let them say their bit, give everyone half a minute, and then get them back on task with a "We can talk about that later/We're gaming right now/None of that is going on is going on in the game world; what are you doing?".

But other than furries and Fujos (and I guess trannies, strictly speaking, but I never invite trannies for another game) I've never had anyone IRL inject their weird sexual fantasies into the game.
Power fantasies, yes.
Online games - especially back in the IRC text-chat days however, huge issue. Less of an issue the couple of times I've done discord/zoom.
 
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More soy boys on YouTube cry about Dark sun. I feel good about the setting being safe from woke censorship. It was the game that got me into AD&D. Bringing back Dark Sun was one of the few things people liked about 4E. P. S William Srd can take an HIV infected dick in his anus for saying the culture war around Dark Sun, a myth during his Dark Sun video games reviews. When the Wizard of the Coast outright said the setting was too racist and problematic to bring back.
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Also, fuck Bob World Builder for advocating censoring Birthright of all settings in his prediction video.(They were all wrong. Especially Hasbro bringing back Dark Sun) Game of Thrones of DND without religious wars, ultra nationalism and whores? It’s not even the same setting without ether of those themes.
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I think I like that Wizards has decided the setting is too problematic and won't touch it, the old books service anyone who knows what they're doing just fine and any GM worth his salt will just make a setting their own anyway. Best to not have a bunch of corpo retards fuck it up in the first place. The cucks have a use after all.

Also if you're into really old CRPGs, Shattered Lands is still an excellent (all be it janky af) game. Wake of the Ravager is great too but it's so buggy that I've never actually beaten it, last time I tried some door bugged out and just couldn't be opened, stopping my run.
 
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Snekposter said:
Quit being mad. It might as well be. For a bunch of guys living in a medieval forest its missing the deer and boar. Seriously, some fucking lichen? What sort of poorfags are the elves they have to scrape gunk off rocks for a meal?

Also, that halfling meal is like a third of what its actual size would be.
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It does seem kind of silly. Deer, boar, hare, even wild birds.
 
Mr. Manchester said:
I think I like that Wizards has decided the setting is too problematic and won't touch it, the old books service anyone who knows what they're doing just fine and any GM worth his salt will just make a setting their own anyway. Best to not have a bunch of corpo retards fuck it up in the first place. The cucks have a use after all.

Also if you're into really old CRPGs, Shattered Lands is still an excellent (all be it janky af) game. Wake of the Ravager is great too but it's so buggy that I've never actually beaten it, last time I tried some door bugged out and just couldn't be opened, stopping my run.
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Yeah, giving the ass-fucking Wizards gave to Spelljammer and Planescape and the shit-tier books they put out for them, I think people would be better off just going with community-built rules and monsters for the settings and stick with the 2e books for them. The cretins they've hired to do the settings clearly are too lazy or too stupid to do a proper job on them. Say what you will about the autistic 2e setting writers, they clearly gave a fuck at least and seemed pretty invested in the settings doing well. Which is why you'd see several splatbooks, adventures, etc, written for those settings instead of a stupid gift box with some barebones crap being sold for eighty bucks.
 
robobobo said:
Yeah, giving the ass-fucking Wizards gave to Spelljammer and Planescape and the shit-tier books they put out for them, I think people would be better off just going with community-built rules and monsters for the settings and stick with the 2e books for them. The cretins they've hired to do the settings clearly are too lazy or too stupid to do a proper job on them. Say what you will about the autistic 2e setting writers, they clearly gave a fuck at least and seemed pretty invested in the settings doing well. Which is why you'd see several splatbooks, adventures, etc, written for those settings instead of a stupid gift box with some barebones crap being sold for eighty bucks.
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The beauty of it is that I threw some planescape shit into my most recent game and I have no idea what wizards says about it. The party didn't really care and just ignored it like they do with most things they dont directly control, but it was there and it's what my idea of planescape was. Point is, all that good shit is there and thanks to the internet it doesn't die. Cool people will always be there to read and run it. I'm not concerned with a group of retards fucking anything up.
 
Mr. Manchester said:
I think I like that Wizards has decided the setting is too problematic and won't touch it, the old books service anyone who knows what they're doing just fine and any GM worth his salt will just make a setting their own anyway. Best to not have a bunch of corpo retards fuck it up in the first place. The cucks have a use after all.
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I tend to agree, but I really hope they don't touch it all the same. I'm really enjoying the setting as is my group. It's the first campaign I've run in a world I didn't have to build from the ground up and I'm pretty satisfied with it. It's nice to have resources to fall back on when I don't have an answer to a question right away. Not that I can't improvise. It's just a lot less creatively taxing to just be able to crack open a book.
 
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You see Disney getting desperate and losing billions. Mind you, it's probably worse behind the scenes at WOTC thanks to Hasbro blowing away billions with flopping transformers movies and pandering to the tranny crowd over families. Remember Hasbro doesn't need WOTC. They could and will sell WOTC. Hasbro publishes role-playing games based on my little pony (way popular by the way), transformers and power rangers without WOTC. They can easily just take D&D for themselves. The death blow to Dungeons and Dragons was the day they started pandering to the Woke crowd and pissing away long time D&D fans that played the game for 20, 30 and even 40 years.
 
Nahh, Wizards' death clock is when they try to shove everyone onto their proprietory digital software and forcibly move towards 6e, since most of the 5e lot probably won't make the jump.

Tabletop actually works for woke due to how small and niche it is. Just frontload your earnings with kickstarters and you're fine to pump out forgettable PbtA garbage.
 
Adamska said:
Tabletop actually works for woke due to how small and niche it is.
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I disagree. I saw the same argument in American comic books. Reality shows it’s the other way around. Being so niche means sales decline hurts more. Truth is the majority of the hobby is supported by men who played tabletop games in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Very few D&D 5E newcomers will stick around after fake geek culture stops being trendy. If anything I can picture asian TRPGS taking off in the west. Similar to manga dominating the comic market in North America and Europe.
 
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Has anyone ever played a game of GURPS using one of the settings from alternate earths, or played using the infinite earths setting?
 
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I disagree. I saw the same argument in American comic books. Reality shows it’s the other way around. Being so niche means sales decline hurts more. Truth is the majority of the hobby is supported by men who played tabletop games in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Very few D&D 5E newcomers will stick around after fake geek culture stops being trendy. If anything I can picture asian TRPGS taking off in the west. Similar to manga dominating the comic market in North America and Europe.
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Coyote and Crow bilked a million dollars, more than any other TTRPG kickstarter out there, even from big names and IPs in the industry. Most PbtA garbage just requires writing a loose setting, which means a simple kickstarter that funds a couple of thousand bucks turns it into a temporary success in the financial sense.

These idiots are willing to fling a bit of money to performative support shit, and a "successful" kickstarter only needs about... I dunno, about 200 idiots to do that, and only for a small amount to push through via wage? Sure no one's fucking playing those books, but they are willing to at least buy them on kickstarter for dopamine hits and to pretend they care.

They don't give a shit about sales in stores and numbers; they only have to get the "I totally support current thing" crap to stick for the price of a .pdf on the initial backing.
 
@Adamska @Battlefield2142EU
I think you guys are talking past each other by what "success" means.

If you give zero fucks about making a game people will want to play and just grift, (ie Coyote and Crow) it works for woke. You get a bunch of tards to performatively donate, or in case of comics, buy Issue #1 for preddit/Twitter/insta updoots. But these projects won't last because they are zero effort performative grift. Lady Thor will be canceled by Issue #15, no one will release adventure paths for C&C.

So Adamska, you are right: in a niche space with zero woke competition, you can position yourself as a Trxnx BIPOC Latinx two-spirit cherokee and be awash in performative wokebux.

BF2142, you're right right in that after the initial fire and fury and swarm of ESG bux, these souless grift projects won't last and be forgotten.


JJLiautaud said:
Has anyone ever played a game of GURPS
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No. You can stop typing there.
 
Re: @Sayer of the N-Word and @Judge Dredd, I'm glad that regardless of our difference of opinion about the state of the hobby and its future, each of us is still actively playing and enjoying ourselves. I joined an in-person D&D game at the beginning of 2023 as a player, and I just recently had to leave that game due to my work schedule changing and conflicting with the rest of the group. I also started up my own in-person D&D game as a DM a few months ago with a different set of people as my players. I joined the former game because I mentioned to a friend that I was looking to play, and he introduced me to his group that was just about to start a new game together. I started the latter game with people I had met at my job who all seemed like cool people, and they've all worked out well so far as players. Several of the people in both of these groups are new to the game, and I've been glad to help them learn and discover why tabletop is such a fun hobby.

I love tabletop, D&D is especially important to me and my friends that play together, and I refuse to let people I despise claim control over it just because the IP is owned by companies that want to pander to trannies and negro worshippers. I can acknowledge the problems you and others have been pointing out ITT as things which are frustrating (I think we all agree) and damaging to the health of the hobby (undeniably true), but I also think this hobby is what we make of it amongst the people we choose to play with. If we think and act as if Hasbro, WotC, and Critical Role have poisoned the well, the hobby is never going to recover from that, and we all should just jump ship, then we're surrendering this thing we all love to people who hate us. I see no reason to do that, I would much rather keep playing with my friends, and I defy WotC or any tranny to try and stop me. The game is what me and my friends want it to be, and we couldn't give a damn whether that game is officially sanctioned by Cynthia Williams.

So, please keep playing and having fun, even if you think there is good reason to be pessimistic about the state of the hobby. The only way people like us are going to have a place in this hobby is by refusing to leave.
 
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