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Ash is probably trying to cover up consent accidents.
The Tenacious Unicorn Ranch / @TenaciousRanch / Steampunk Penny / Penellope Logue / Phillip Matthew Logue - Don't cry because it ended, laugh because it's still getting worse.
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TheMonkeyMan
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Did anyone else get the impression that Ash is terrified of Kindness?
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I wonder if one of the reasons that Gash was struggling with the documentary was witnessing the animal abuse and later mass death. Troons are nuts but even most troons are not psychopathic enough to be okay with witnessing that. Especially when it involves cute pettable baby alpaca.
Also on the topic of the large dogs seemingly vanishing - I wouldn't be surprised if Penny simply shot them and tossed them in the mass graves before they left. Penny is a dangerously delusional and violent man. He lies as easy as he breathes.
lol yes, dumbass
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I have two comments about the previous summaries:
First, don’t feel bad for Skye. He helped abuse and bury neglected animals just like the rest of them. Fuck Skye.
Second, Phil’s comment about being gay. He’s saying it was okay that his wife left him because he was gay. Meaning he likes men. He’s now in a relationship with two transwomen. Confirmation from the literal horse’s mouth that they are men.
First, don’t feel bad for Skye. He helped abuse and bury neglected animals just like the rest of them. Fuck Skye.
Second, Phil’s comment about being gay. He’s saying it was okay that his wife left him because he was gay. Meaning he likes men. He’s now in a relationship with two transwomen. Confirmation from the literal horse’s mouth that they are men.
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re: the dogs, one of them was Bonnie's and that dog died when Sky was taking it from the ranch to Bonnie and Kindness after Bonnie left to live with her. According to Bonnie and Sky, the dog jumped out the window of Sky's car as he was on the highway.
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That was Tobi.
Appa and Naga were two large Pyrenees (?) dogs. I don’t think we’ve seen them since the move, could be wrong though.
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Lol, these potatoes.
Never forget, the Bonnie quote :
"I sometimes forget how wise my ex, Sky is- They reminded me that in all this drama, there are just two scared little girls trying to do the right thing"
"their incest puppies were never discussed"
Never forget, the Bonnie quote :
"I sometimes forget how wise my ex, Sky is- They reminded me that in all this drama, there are just two scared little girls trying to do the right thing"
"their incest puppies were never discussed"
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Temperance
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Interesting bits from the Q&A:
- 1:19 - What was the catalyst for making this documentary? Ash Coyote says it was an "exploration". Ash is trans, and he had been "hunting" for stories to highlight the trans community. "Show our community in a different light than what traditional media has kind of presented."
- Ash says he's known about the Tranch since it was in its infancy, a few years before the doc. The Tranchers had been asking him about making a documentary for awhile, but Ash had to wrap up his other project (the furry documentary) first.
- The way I remember this is slightly different. I don't doubt that Ash knew about the Tranchers beforehand (since he's a Colorado troon, after all), but I'm pretty sure the Tranch's "siege" saga and successful $100k GoFundMe campaign is what got Ash interested in making the documentary. Ash doesn't mention this for some reason...
Maybe I'm wrong?
- The way I remember this is slightly different. I don't doubt that Ash knew about the Tranchers beforehand (since he's a Colorado troon, after all), but I'm pretty sure the Tranch's "siege" saga and successful $100k GoFundMe campaign is what got Ash interested in making the documentary. Ash doesn't mention this for some reason...
- 2:47 - Ash says he basically shot, produced, and directed this documentary all by himself.
- Ash says he's known about the Tranch since it was in its infancy, a few years before the doc. The Tranchers had been asking him about making a documentary for awhile, but Ash had to wrap up his other project (the furry documentary) first.
- 3:28 - Were there any challenges when filming? Yes. The Tranchers live in "tight quarters". The Tranch house is maybe 1400 sq ft and has anywhere from 9 to 14 people living in it at a time. The residents are all trans as well, and so they have "varying degrees of issues" (subtle way of saying they're all crazy/mentally-ill
). Ash Coyote also had to navigate the "dynamic relationships" (i.e. drama) among the Tranch residents. Some funny PR-speak going on here. 
- 4:27 - "There's actually a couple polycules that existed [...] which added to some of the complications, I would say, later on..."
- 5:00 - Matthew Bennett interjects to bring up all the WEAPONS. Ash agrees it was a "crazy experience". He says almost everyone at the Tranch was armed, with maybe one or two exceptions.
- 5:26 = Matthew: "Basically, as soon as Ash got there, she was under siege by these Three Percenters..."
- Does anyone remember the timeline better than me? I thought Ash wasn't actually at the Tranch during the "siege". The way I remember it, the "siege" happened in March 2021, and this is what sparked Ash's interest. He then went to live on the Tranch sometime around September to December 2021 for filming. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
- If Ash really was at the Tranch during the "siege", then why doesn't he show any video or photographic evidence of it?
- 6:09 - Ash Coyote says he was present at the Tranch during the "siege".
- 7:53 - Matthew Bennett is asked about how he got involved in the doc. He says he saw all the media attention around the Tranch, so he contacted Penny, who referred him to Ash Coyote. He also claims that he didn't know about the siege at the time, just that "there were a bunch of cool women out there trying to raise alpaca in the middle of nowhere". This guy is an obvious liar. The media attention at the time was ALL about the "siege" (evil rightwing militia members attacked a heckin' wholesome trans commune! oh no!), so there's no way he didn't know about it. This guy's a vulture and just doesn't want to admit it. I really can't stand liars...
- Matthew Bennett is listed as the executive producer for the doc, although he says he didn't "step in" at all, just gave advice. I assume he bankrolled Ash Coyote in return for the rights to the story. He was probably hoping the Tranch would explode in popularity so he could turn their story into a big-budget tv show. That's my guess.
- 9:59 - Matthew says that when the Tranch was collapsing, he was the one who told Ash to go back and film some more for the changed ending. "Sad as it is... it's the story." Matthew also says that he went along with Ash out to the Tranch for the new filming.
- Credit where credit is due, I'm glad the doc acknowledged that the Tranch died, even though they weren't super honest about why it happened.
- It (understandably) goes unmentioned, but this documentary was supposed to come out in 2022. Ash Coyote had some kind of mental breakdown, however, so it ended up greatly delayed.
- 10:49 - "God bless Ash... she had this wish to make this uplifting movie... we just told the TRUTH. This is a truthful picture, and because of it - I'm gonna get kinda teary - it ends up, to me, being that much more inspiring." This guy can't stop lying.
- 12:43 - Did the Tranchers have a say in how the documentary turned out? Yes, definitely. Ash basically admits to being a propagandist who worked closely with the Tranchers to craft the story they wanted, and he doesn't see anything wrong with that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- 13:22 - "It definitely was a difficult process... [nervous laugh] on We Are Tenacious. I think... How many cuts did we go through? It had to have been north of like 14, 15. And that's with major narrative changes and stuff, and like the evolution of the story... [...] There's real trauma that's present here. There's real trauma that is being dealt with both in front of and behind the camera."
- In other words, the Kindness saga totally screwed him over. Suddenly he had to mediate between Penny & Bonnie, and it sounds like it made Ash almost suicidal.
- We know from watching the doc that Ash appears to have sided with Penny in the end. Bonnie is more-or-less portrayed as an evil landlord who was solely responsible for the Tranch's failure. However, with how thoroughly Kindness has been scrubbed from the doc, it makes me wonder if this was Ash's concession to Bonnie. Maybe Bonnie didn't care about being the villain so long as his girlfriend was 100% removed from the doc, which undoubtedly required a lot of work from Ash.
- In other words, the Kindness saga totally screwed him over.
- 14:04 - "When we're telling these stories... it's important not to re-traumatize and cause more trouble for the subjects down the line. That's particularly poignant when we approach the story of Bonnie and Penny's relationship... as you can see that disintegrate over the course of the film. Like, we have two people at the beginning who are best friends, and when I met them for the very first time... they were basically inseparable. But at a certain point... I would say like 20 days into production, you could that that real separation had begun. [...] That was hard to watch. And ya'know, sometimes you get caught in the fallout as a filmmaker. You get caught in the middle of it."
- 16:04 - "How do we reign in the story now that everything has come to an end? Right? And how do we do that in a way that is accurately representative of the emotions of the time? There's a lot in that particular scene that obviously got left on the cutting room floor... It was a lot of pain and trauma, ya'know... it involved Penny going to the ER, it involved a bunch of roadside emergencies..."
- ?????????????????
- 16:57 - Matthew: "That wasn't the most traumatic thing, by the way, I just want to say." Ash: "I know, I know! There was a whole litany of things. I ended up with a concussion at some point during the shoot..."
- 17:14 - Ash: "At the end of this, I feel like it also brought about the closure that we needed to the piece. Really gave us a film that speaks to our deeper truths... as humans, not just as trans people."
- 17:52 - Matthew: "We could have made a film that was much more... a really FEEL-GOOD film. And it would have been so appealing to a much broader audience, and it would have gotten better distribution money, whatever! Ya'know what I mean? But that's what we do when we make - and I make a lot of it - what we would call Documentary Television. [...] You craft a story that feels good, because the network has commissioned you to do so! [...] That's where I just really applauded Ash [...] for just freaking GOING for it and saying... This is the story. Walter Cronkite would be proud."
- This guy feels so slimy, lol. Making a "crafted, feel-good story" was the plan the entire time. Not telling the hard, unpleasant truth about the Tranch. It's just that Ash Coyote delayed the doc for so long that the Tranch actually collapsed in the meantime. That's the reason why the doc needed to be updated. I guess Ash could have simply LIED that the Tranch was still doing fine, but it would be a bad idea to lie that blatantly.
- 20:16 - Ash: "Pun intended... Life isn't all rainbows and unicorns."
- 13:22 - "It definitely was a difficult process... [nervous laugh] on We Are Tenacious. I think... How many cuts did we go through? It had to have been north of like 14, 15. And that's with major narrative changes and stuff, and like the evolution of the story... [...] There's real trauma that's present here. There's real trauma that is being dealt with both in front of and behind the camera."
- 23:10 - How can fans continue to follow the Tranch story? Ash totally bungles this question, like he wasn't expecting it at all. He says the documentary is going to be shown at more film festivals, and he tries to give the doc's website... except he says "tenaciousunicornfilm.com" (it's actually tenaciousfilm.com, and there's literally no useful information there). Ash also recommends following the official Tranch account on twitter... He seems totally unaware that the Tranchers locked down all their main online accounts back in March. Keep in mind that this interview was recorded only a couple weeks ago.
- This makes me wonder if Ash has washed his hands of them and just wants to move on. Probably hasn't talked to the Tranchers ever since he finished filming the new ending for the documentary.
- Matthew Bennett recommends checking his website for updates on the documentary, but I can't find any information there either (https://silentcrow.com/?s=tenacious). Maybe this doc was just sent out to die?
Well, that's the end. I'm going to miss the Tranch.
And RIP to the animals, of course./wall-of-text
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This fucking guy. He was right there filming during the big blowup at Bonnie's and Kindness's place. He could have made a film that was absolutely gripping, if he'd just had the courage to honestly present what he'd found. Instead he blows up any chance he had of ever being taken seriously as a filmmaker in order to whitewash the Tranch and make troons look like saints.
If there's documentary footage of Alyssa crashing around the house pretending to be blind and we're never going to see it, I could just die. This is like when that guy who was making that Chris-Chan documentary destroyed the only known footage of Megan. You have an obligation to the rest of humanity, you goddamn shitstains.
If there's documentary footage of Alyssa crashing around the house pretending to be blind and we're never going to see it, I could just die. This is like when that guy who was making that Chris-Chan documentary destroyed the only known footage of Megan. You have an obligation to the rest of humanity, you goddamn shitstains.
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From what I remember, Penny did have a few hospital visits where Kevin was whining about not having transportation. There are his dental problems, but didn't he break a leg or something?
And for roadside emergencies, you could take your pick. Kindness routinely pretended to crash on her way home from the Tranch. They may have had problems while rescuing someone from White Supremacists. They might have had a breakdown while donating their unused wool to natives.
It's such a shame, Ash basically had the equivalent drama of Carole Baskin's missing husband returning on camera during Tiger King and accusing her of trying to kill him, but he was just like "Oh, I can't see suddenly, I don't know."
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“Heart troubles”, in his own words.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-t...gue-phillip-matthew-logue.86681/post-15232518
J rolled at least one truck. Their Ford was always breaking down. And they were never off the road, doing those weird trips to Wyoming. I bet Ash was along for at least one of those too, but we don’t get to see
I wish this had been the next Tiger King, but it was never going to happen - none of the characters were at all gregarious or good on camera. And Ash did not have the fortitude to present the true and fascinating dramas. This was a job for Jon Ronson, really.
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Pretty much. The only people killing trannies are themselves.
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So it stands:
Some Jap must make a an anime based on every one of this and Kevin's thread posts. To get to the truth.
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Unironically thought about doing just that, but as a manga instead.
Of course, it would need to be modified to appeal to rational sensibilities. Instead of ugly men and their state-sponsored crotch wounds pretending to be women, it would be men getting (non-functional) ears to become catboys (since all women in this world are catgirls). Kevin himself would also get an extra-special surgery to become the neko shota he comes off as.
Earl would be a real antagonistic figure, relentlessly seeking revenge against the Tranchers for some never explained fault they did to him in the past. He would appear occasionally trying to infiltrate the ranch, or otherwise cooking up some scheme to undermine the Tranchers. I imagine he would wear Sneed's hat, you know, just because.
And all the while they are being observed by a highly secret organization. So secret each of the members are required to wear large cloaks and masks to hide their identities. They would gather every week to view and discuss the Tranchers' antics, and how badly they are fucking up whatever they are currently doing. And they would also operate drones that nobody is really sure do in fact exist.
Story-wise I'm not as certain. I imagine you would have Earl's schemes and his attempts to directly attack the Tranch, and the daily lives of the Tranchers as they do their separate things (like odd jobs, ranch work, recreation, trips into town, etc), "diary of a young alpaca," a cutesy comic strip thing that would cover the horrors the chosen herd experienced in their time at the Tranch, and maybe other stuff I cant't think of right now.
That's about all I've come up with, but even so I can see great potential in this idea. There's just something really special about the Tranch, and if I ever get the opportunity, I might actually consider going through with this idea.
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Please do it
One suggestion: throw in an overarching “huge event” plot. Something like how the vampires in Buffy are always trying to open the hellmouth.
Or cults are waiting for that UFO or rapture or whatever. Some metaphysical shit anyway, possibly involving ayylmaos and camelids.
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RELEASE THE SNEEDER CUT, ASH
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Oh, and obviously the dog flying out the window. Even hearing about that could have been traumatic.J rolled at least one truck. Their Ford was always breaking down. And they were never off the road, doing those weird trips to Wyoming. I bet Ash was along for at least one of those too, but we don’t get to see
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You wouldn't be in a polycule, I hope, but imagine you're back in your late teens/early twenties with a close friend group where everyone knows everyone and every change in relationship has repercussions. Maybe a bunch of you are rooming together. There's a know-it-all but everyone's used to him, a mooch but everyone's used to him, then someone brings in a low-rent manic pixie girlfriend, it changes the whole dynamic, and your friend group as well as your lease gets broken. For a life where nothing major happens and nobody knows how to cope with it, this is huge.
Now imagine someone films all of that teen relationship drama and releases an honest-to-God documentary film, to everyone on the planet, and the film says the reason the gang had to move and aren't talking to each other is all your fault and they use your name and face and everything.
I'm astounded that Bonnie isn't posting up a storm about this, threatening legal action or mob justice.
Now imagine someone films all of that teen relationship drama and releases an honest-to-God documentary film, to everyone on the planet, and the film says the reason the gang had to move and aren't talking to each other is all your fault and they use your name and face and everything.
I'm astounded that Bonnie isn't posting up a storm about this, threatening legal action or mob justice.