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Ancient Pagan Antisemitism​

Jewish beliefs and practices in the ancient world were unique and often attracted pagan scorn and hostility.

Antisemitism is one of the world’s oldest hatreds. It stubbornly persists into modern times. How did it start and where did it come from? That is difficult to answer.

The Talmud teaches that Sinai, the mountain where the Jews accepted the Torah, comes from the Hebrew word “sina,” which means “hatred.” After receiving the Torah at Mount Sinai, which gave concepts of morality, hatred of the Jews descended on the world.

No doubt Jews in the ancient world were viewed as different based on their unique belief systems. The 19th century German historian, Theodor Mommsen, claimed that Jew-hatred and agitations against the Jews were as old as the Jewish diaspora itselfi. Judaism was an abnormality in the ancient polytheistic worldii. Jews were sometimes blamed for the “anger of the gods” when natural disasters struck. They were seen as strange because they had no statues and worshipped an invisible deity. The Torah relates the fear and loathing of the ancient Egyptians towards the Israelites.

Most pagans were willing to absorb new deities introduced by conquering armies. Jews as monotheists refused to do so. Dietary laws prevented Jews from eating with their pagan neighbors. Jews were considered lazy for not working on the Sabbath. While different cultures intermarried, absorbing each other’s idols, Jews remained separate. Jews were the ultimate nonconformists in a sea of paganism.

Scholars often called pagan hostility to Jews anti-Judaism rather than the more modern term antisemitism. But here, we will refer to hatred of Jews as antisemitism to avoid confusion.

The most numerous written sources of antisemitism in the pagan world came from the Greco-Roman period. This was a time after the Babylonian expulsions when many Jews lived outside the Holy Land in various diasporas and mixed with other cultures.

One of the earliest antisemitic sources came from a Greek speaking Egyptian priest living in the early third century BCE named Manetho. Manetho wrote a history of Egypt, devoting a section to the Israelites and the Exodus. Much of Manetho’s writing has been lost but was referenced by the ancient Jewish historian Josephus.

In his version of events, Manetho turned the Exodus story upside downiv. Instead of a tale of Jewish liberation from Egyptian slavery, Manetho wrote a scathing version where the Egyptian gods expelled the Israelites to purify Egypt. Before expulsion, the Jews under a rogue prince named Moses, terrorized the Egyptian people, and blasphemed their gods.

One of the larger ancient Jewish population centers was in Alexandria, Egypt. Alexandria was hub of learning, focused at the great ancient library of Alexandra. It was also the hub of much tension between Jews and pagans living there.

Once again from Josephus, we understand that a man named Apion was an official of the Alexandria library and wrote a scathing polemic against the Jews. Among his writings, Apion claimed the Jews of worshipping a donkey’s head in the Jerusalem Temple. Josephus spilled much ink defending Jews against the accusations of Manetho and Apion.

In a more chilling libel that would have serious implications through history, Apion accused Jews of kidnapping Greek children and offering them for human sacrifice in the Temple.

Tensions between Greeks and Jews in Alexandria continued to simmer until war broke out between the two groups in 115 CE.
The famous Roman historian Tacitus, devoted large segments of his writing to criticize Jewish practices. Tacitus lived at the time of the Second Temple and wrote his Historiesdecades after its horrific destruction. He wrote that the gods despised the Jews. Tacitus believed Jews hated everything held sacred by Rome. He called Jewish rites “sordid and ridiculous.” He claimed Jews were the “most despised people and basest of nations.” While many pagan writers and orators scorned Jews and Judaism, Tacitus’ polemic is particularly vicious.

There seemed to be several themes in pagan antisemitism, some of them still used against Jews in today. One theme was to malign the origins of Judaism. There were repeated attempts to downplay or degrade the events that led to the formation of the Jewish people and their attachment to the land of Israel.

Another form of attack alluded to what the pagan world perceived as the strangeness of Jewish practises. The concept of taking one day off each week for the Sabbath was seen as ridiculous, particularly when applied to the lower classes and slaves. That many Jews throughout the Roman Empire were poor only added to derision. Circumcision and abstaining from eating pork were also misunderstood and considered “barbaric.”

One area that especially stirred up hatred was proselytization. In later antiquity Jews did it with some success. Tacitus complained about Jewish proselytizing, warning that those who accept the Jewish faith “despise the fatherland.”vii Oddly, one of the accusations leveled against Jews was that they practised “atheism” and caused others to convert to these beliefs.

There is significant evidence to argue that ancient pagan antisemitism was widespread. The tragedy is that many pagan forms of antisemitism morphed and adapted through history. Christianity, Islam, and secular societies often built upon pagan hatreds and continued to use the same methods to attack Jews and Judaism.
 

Mandatory.

In his version of events, Manetho turned the Exodus story upside downiv. Instead of a tale of Jewish liberation from Egyptian slavery, Manetho wrote a scathing version where the Egyptian gods expelled the Israelites to purify Egypt. Before expulsion, the Jews under a rogue prince named Moses, terrorized the Egyptian people, and blasphemed their gods.
I never knew of this interpretation before this article. Gonna have to give this a read.
 
The last ten years have given me a lot to think about. I’m a woman, so I’m not exactly keen on being chattel, but I also can’t deny that it’s female voting and behaviour patterns driving quite a bit of this modern day liberal shit. That’s a conundrum.
I’ve also thought more about WHY we hate some groups, have taboos etc. it would for society to think about these things more. Why were gays persecuted? becasue individuals may have been decent but as a group they spread disease. Our modern society tells us that all past taboos are simply grounded in some kind of primitive ‘badness’ and we should get rid of them all.
But before you remove a fence you must ask why it is there.
Anyway. It’s very interesting that as a group they have been persecuted so very much, by so many different cultures. I do wonder why.
 
The last ten years have given me a lot to think about. I’m a woman, so I’m not exactly keen on being chattel, but I also can’t deny that it’s female voting and behaviour patterns driving quite a bit of this modern day liberal shit. That’s a conundrum.
I’ve also thought more about WHY we hate some groups, have taboos etc. it would for society to think about these things more. Why were gays persecuted? becasue individuals may have been decent but as a group they spread disease. Our modern society tells us that all past taboos are simply grounded in some kind of primitive ‘badness’ and we should get rid of them all.
But before you remove a fence you must ask why it is there.
Anyway. It’s very interesting that as a group they have been persecuted so very much, by so many different cultures. I do wonder why.
It's basically 'if you meet one arsehole in a day, maybe they're the arsehole. If you meet 109 arseholes in a day, maybe you're the arsehole', but with enthnicities and milennia instead of people and days.
 
You guys ever see a tengu?
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It's even got the hat.
 
In his version of events, Manetho turned the Exodus story upside downiv. Instead of a tale of Jewish liberation from Egyptian slavery, Manetho wrote a scathing version where the Egyptian gods expelled the Israelites to purify Egypt. Before expulsion, the Jews under a rogue prince named Moses, terrorized the Egyptian people, and blasphemed their gods.
I'm not saying I'm a big brain, I'm saying I do think about things from time to time; namely the differences between if something was truly spiritual, or if it was physical but done under the guise of spiritual. While I'm not a Biblical scholar, ask yourself what happened before they left Egypt, Passover. The story is they smeared Sheep's Blood above their door, so when the Spirit of Death or whatever passed over the land, it only killed infants in homes whose houses were not marked. Now ask yourself; does a spiritual force who has no need of a body really need you to signal to him he's one of the good ones... or is it possible, there were hit squads going around and murdering children for sport that night, and they only killed those who weren't in the club.
 
I'm not saying I'm a big brain, I'm saying I do think about things from time to time; namely the differences between if something was truly spiritual, or if it was physical but done under the guise of spiritual. While I'm not a Biblical scholar, ask yourself what happened before they left Egypt, Passover. The story is they smeared Sheep's Blood above their door, so when the Spirit of Death or whatever passed over the land, it only killed infants in homes whose houses were not marked. Now ask yourself; does a spiritual force who has no need of a body really need you to signal to him he's one of the good ones... or is it possible, there were hit squads going around and murdering children for sport that night, and they only killed those who weren't in the club.
The sheep was a holy animal to the Egyptians, the passover lamb offering and the smearing of the lambs blood was a sign of open defiance against their Egyptian masters. Your theory doesn't make sense because first born Egyptians died everywhere, not just in the land of Egypt. It's clearly stated that God himself went to kill the first born and smash the idols of Egypt. It also states that the Egyptian people were completely paralyzed by the plague of darkness, why wouldn't the Jews just kill everyone then?

The last ten years have given me a lot to think about. I’m a woman, so I’m not exactly keen on being chattel, but I also can’t deny that it’s female voting and behaviour patterns driving quite a bit of this modern day liberal shit. That’s a conundrum.
I’ve also thought more about WHY we hate some groups, have taboos etc. it would for society to think about these things more. Why were gays persecuted? becasue individuals may have been decent but as a group they spread disease. Our modern society tells us that all past taboos are simply grounded in some kind of primitive ‘badness’ and we should get rid of them all.
But before you remove a fence you must ask why it is there.
Anyway. It’s very interesting that as a group they have been persecuted so very much, by so many different cultures. I do wonder why.
The counter question is why these "mass expulsions" center around Europe and involve Jews being ping ponged around minor kingdoms with some cases forcing the Jews to move as little as 100 miles away. Muslims didn't have the same issues that the Europeans had and Jews prospered as second class citizens with Jews like the Rambam becoming the personal doctors of leaders like Saladin. Is the answer that the usury role that the Jews were forced to take on created a situation where Jews became a free money bank if expelled? You also have the vaticans official position that the Jews all were responsible for the death of Jesus. There's plenty of excuses and no one cares because they are a foreign people.
 
It also states that the Egyptian people were completely paralyzed by the plague of darkness, why wouldn't the Jews just kill everyone then?
I don't know, why have they been kicked out of hundreds of countries yet never admit fault? They'll scream the world's oldest racism, yet never be open about hating goyim; everything is just an existence long conspiracy against them.
 
Muslims didn't have the same issues that the Europeans had
Islam is a very young religion, which briefly managed the ‘ok, do what you’re doing, just pay us taxes and you’re not quite as liked’ approach. Pragmatic, in other words. Rather like the romans letting people keep local customs as long as they weren’t Carthage level horror and they paid taxes.
The Muslim world now isn’t terribly fond of Israel.
I dont really have a dog in this fight and I’m not rabidly anti Jewish. I just find it curious that there’s been such hatred for so long. The romans are said to have salted the earth around Carthage, so determined they were to wipe out its inhabitants.
I can’t think of any other group that has had this. It doesn’t say much about individuals, like I say, I’m a woman who wouldn’t want to be put back in the kitchen but I can see why female voting for liberal daddy-state policies helps to wreck societies. It’s made me ponder why some societies keep women on a short leash and why others didn’t so much. Ditto why sexual non-normal behaviour is so taboo. We seem to se wit these days as people being old prudes but our ancestors were probably a lot more practical
 
You also have the vaticans official position that the Jews all were responsible for the death of Jesus.
Nigga what?

“The Church, in her rejection of any injustice, is mindful of this common patrimony between Christians and Jews; Thus, the Council deplores and condemns the hatred and persecution of Jews, whether they arose in former times or in our own day. Nothing in the catechetical work of preaching should teach anything that could give rise to hatred or contempt for Jews in the hearts of Christians.

“The Jewish people should never be presented as one rejected, cursed or guilty of deicide. What happened to Christ in His passion cannot be attributed to the whole people then alive, much less to those of today. Besides, the Church held and holds that Christ underwent His passion in death freely because of the sins of all men and out of infinite love. Christian preaching proclaims the Cross of Christ as the sign of God’s all-embracing love and as the fountain from which every grace flows.”
As for why Jews were discriminated against, it depends on the nation (Poland was remarkable tolerant of the Jews for 900 years until WW2/the Holocaust and even has a good luck symbol based on them), but ultimately it probably has to do with Jews being very insular in these places and Europeans being very superstitious at the time. This was a time where people believed anyone that didn't partake in some aspect of public life was a witch or a heretic or pagan or something of that sort and Jews not really mingling with the Christian population all that much only fed into that. Kind of a shame to. I don't particularly hate Jews but I prefer them to gypsies, who absolutely live up to the stereotypes about them and then some. That is one group that absolutely needs to be discriminated against. As far as I can tell, Jews are normal functioning people. Yeah, yeah yeah, what about the Jewish billionaires ruining society? I mean they're ultra-capitalists and servants of Mammon and Moloch. Whether Jew, Anglo, German or Chinese, they all desire the destruction of normal society and the promotion of their weird fetishes. They all deserve to be carpet-bombed by creepers on my Minecraft server.
 
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Can't quote post above due to phone posting but that was a Vatican 2 change, before that they held the position I talked about

Islam is a very young religion, which briefly managed the ‘ok, do what you’re doing, just pay us taxes and you’re not quite as liked’ approach. Pragmatic, in other words. Rather like the romans letting people keep local customs as long as they weren’t Carthage level horror and they paid taxes.
The Muslim world now isn’t terribly fond of Israel.
I dont really have a dog in this fight and I’m not rabidly anti Jewish. I just find it curious that there’s been such hatred for so long. The romans are said to have salted the earth around Carthage, so determined they were to wipe out its inhabitants.
I can’t think of any other group that has had this. It doesn’t say much about individuals, like I say, I’m a woman who wouldn’t want to be put back in the kitchen but I can see why female voting for liberal daddy-state policies helps to wreck societies. It’s made me ponder why some societies keep women on a short leash and why others didn’t so much. Ditto why sexual non-normal behaviour is so taboo. We seem to se wit these days as people being old prudes but our ancestors were probably a lot more practical
Muslim world didn't really care bc they didn't have the whole Christ killer thing and were making money with jizya. While Islam itself has elements of anti semitism in the glorification of khaybar and the garquad tree, they were content to leave Jews as second class citizens. The christians were hell bent on converting them, using them as bankers, or killing them. The Romans went after the Jews because the Jews refused to allow the Jewish god to be added to the roman pantheon as well as not believing in the Romans gods. Modern Muslims hate Jews because of Israel and Palestine but it seems to be a temporary bump that's already going down.

I don't know, why have they been kicked out of hundreds of countries yet never admit fault? They'll scream the world's oldest racism, yet never be open about hating goyim; everything is just an existence long conspiracy against them.
Jews don't hate goyim lol, people point to out of context snippets from the talmud that aren't followed due to being minority opinions. Regarding Jews being expelled, let's look at a map.

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Most of the Jewish expulsions were just them ping pinging around Europe until they reached more Jewish friendly places with them being accepted and kicked out of the same places again and again. Add in the idea of a country as a modern nation state being a fairly new one and you get 109 countries. The reality is more complex but that isn't a quick slogan.
 
The Romans went after the Jews because the Jews refused to allow the Jewish god to be added to the roman pantheon as well as not believing in the Romans gods.
That’s an overly simplistic view of it. There had been tensions grumbling of many years. The Jews provoked the romans and romans leaned heavily on the Jews.
The Roman garrison at Jerusalem being massacred, the zealots, the Sicarii, the leaders wanting a messianic leader - all those things meant the romans came down on them like a ton of bricks. If Nero hadn’t dropped dead at a crucial point it’d probably have just fizzled out but Vespasian was determined to finish the job
There was a lot more to it than just withholding the daily sacrifice to the emperors gods.
The corrupt elite priest class end up doing shit and the average innocent peasant gets massacred - that’s a tale that spans religions, countries and millenia.
The map misses out Norway.
 
Jews don't hate goyim lol, people point to out of context snippets from the talmud that aren't followed due to being minority opinions. Regarding Jews being expelled, let's look at a map.

Expulsion_judios-en.svg.png

Most of the Jewish expulsions were just them ping pinging around Europe until they reached more Jewish friendly places with them being accepted and kicked out of the same places again and again. Add in the idea of a country as a modern nation state being a fairly new one and you get 109 countries. The reality is more complex but that isn't a quick slogan.
I'm not asking for a history lesson about how modern nation states and such were different in the past; I'm asking why is it in the hundreds to thousands of years of history, nothing has every been the jews fault. People will scream about whites subjugating the natives in North America, I don't pretend it didn't happen or try to manufacture some contrived explanation about how the Injuns are liars or whatever; yeah, it happened, I'm willing to be understanding a bit if an Apache says he hates whitey. Same goes for Britain conquering half the known world, and a number of other things that happened in the past. But to claim that anti-semitism is one of the oldest hatreds and yet there doesn't seem to be a single thing that caused it... fucking neck yourself liar.
 
I think the one-two punch of "outsider-creditor" explains a lot of the hostility, plus even Jews will admit they're a quarrelsome bunch. When the local rulers have an insular minority community they owe a bunch of money to, expulsion becomes profitable and not too difficult (especially when a bunch of the local nobles also borrowed from the local Jews).
 
I'm not asking for a history lesson about how modern nation states and such were different in the past; I'm asking why is it in the hundreds to thousands of years of history, nothing has every been the jews fault. People will scream about whites subjugating the natives in North America, I don't pretend it didn't happen or try to manufacture some contrived explanation about how the Injuns are liars or whatever; yeah, it happened, I'm willing to be understanding a bit if an Apache says he hates whitey. Same goes for Britain conquering half the known world, and a number of other things that happened in the past. But to claim that anti-semitism is one of the oldest hatreds and yet there doesn't seem to be a single thing that caused it... fucking neck yourself liar.
Most I can reduce it to is that Jews have always been stubborn outsiders who keep to themselves and who are unwilling to assimilate and even that's rough. You're asking for a single explanation that crosses millennia of history. For hitler it was that Jews were too assimilated, for most of european history they were not assimilated and both were considered equally valid reasons to kill the jews.

That’s an overly simplistic view of it. There had been tensions grumbling of many years. The Jews provoked the romans and romans leaned heavily on the Jews.
The Roman garrison at Jerusalem being massacred, the zealots, the Sicarii, the leaders wanting a messianic leader - all those things meant the romans came down on them like a ton of bricks. If Nero hadn’t dropped dead at a crucial point it’d probably have just fizzled out but Vespasian was determined to finish the job
There was a lot more to it than just withholding the daily sacrifice to the emperors gods.
The corrupt elite priest class end up doing shit and the average innocent peasant gets massacred - that’s a tale that spans religions, countries and millenia.
The map misses out Norway.
Im referring to the initial roman occupation of Judea and not to the later conflicts.
 
For hitler it was that Jews were too assimilated, for most of european history they were not assimilated and both were considered equally valid reasons to kill the jews.
Really nigger? It wasn't the banking speculators, the rampant degeneracy, or the failed 1918 Communist Revolution? They're just too assimilated. Stop fucking lying.
 
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