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Let Me Be Perfectly Queer: Won’t someone think of the children?​

If you watch the news or use social media, you may have noticed a recent increase in news and opinion from far-right groups and politicians regarding children, but not for any reason that could actually improve their lives.

Instead, governments have tried to ban drag queen story times, dictate what bathrooms people can use, and who can (and cannot) participate on children’s recreational sports teams. All this has been done in the name of protecting children.

But does knowing that trans people exist harm children? Where does the idea that the queer community will hurt children come from? In this column, I debunk some of the most common arguments used against the queer community.

MYTH 1: Queerness is sexual​

If being gay is about sex, then learning about gay people is learning about sex. But it isn’t about sex, any more than a heterosexual marriage is about sex.

Heterosexual relationships are so common, the sexuality of those involved becomes invisible to us. When two characters get married on TV, it is just a wedding. When two gay characters get married, all of a sudden children are being exposed to sexuality in a way that scares parents. Just knowing that gay people exist is often seen as too sexual.

Similarly, family friendly drag shows are seen by some as sexual no matter how the performers dress or how chaste the content of the act might be.

Celebrated performer Bob the Drag Queendescribes drag as blurring gender lines while doing art. Even if an artist does not typically perform in family friendly contexts, they, like artists in any other art form, know how to adjust their content.

Snoop Dogg has made multiple appearances on Sesame Street and adjusts his material for children, but parents know not to take their three-year-old to his concerts. However, the standard of being family friendly is impossible to meet for 2SLGBTQ+ artists if merely being queer or trans or performing in drag makes the act too sexual, regardless of the content of the performance or context of the situation.

MYTH 2: Children find gender and sexual diversity confusing​

I often hear people ask how they are supposed to explain the idea of same-sex relationships or trans identities to children. The thing is, it is so much simpler than most people make it out to be. Here’s a simple example:

“Why are those two boys kissing?”

“Because they like each other.”

“Why does Riley want to be a girl?”

“Well, when Riley was born, the doctors thought they were a boy. But now that she is older, she told us that the doctors made a mistake. She is a girl.”

There are often follow up questions, but the conversation really is that simple. If a child can understand that they have a mom and dad, they can understand that another child may have two moms or two dads.

MYTH 3: Knowing that queer people exist will make children gay​

I have heard the arguments that there are more and more trans kids today than there were 20 years ago because exposure to trans people is causing children to be trans.

Gender is not, and has never been, contagious. Many trans people describe knowing that they were different since they were little, but without any exposure to trans communities, they didn’t understand why they have always felt different.

Kids are not more likely to be gay or trans now than they were 20 years ago; they are just much less likely to be confused if they feel like the gender they were assigned at birth doesn’t feel right or if they start having romantic feelings for someone of the same gender.

The increased visibility of queer people is simply because people who are gay or trans now know that gender and sexual diversity are valid options in a way that was unavailable or unknown to them in previous generations.

Growing acceptance means this acknowledgement happens more and sooner than before; they don’t have to hide who they are or be confused about it for years or decades or be buried in shame the way that so many queer people were in decades past.

MYTH 4: 2SLGBTQ+ Adults Groom children​

The term “groomer” comes from homophobic arguments made in the 1970s. They were used to deny gay men and lesbians basic rights like health care or protection from workplace discrimination.

The premise was that because gay men and lesbians couldn’t reproduce, they must recruit others to maintain their numbers. It mostly fell away from common usage in the 1990s as we realized all people deserve human rights regardless of their sexual orientation, but has made a resurgence in the last few years thanks to far-right movements.

The idea that the 2SLGBTQ+ community is trying to “groom” or “convert” children is increasingly being used, even by politicians, to create fear and anxiety around the queer community in the name of child protection.

Despite decades of studies, there is absolutely no evidence gay men are more likely to harm children than straight men. Terms like “groomer” and “predator” are almost never used to describe cisgender heterosexual men. Yet, rarely referred to as “groomers” are the straight men who catcalled me when I was 12 years old; or the writers and casting directors who put 50-year-old actors alongside a 19-year-old love interest in movies; or the older men who go to clubs or watch pornography featuring “barely legal” girls; or the men who befriend young girls until they are old enough to date.

MYTH 5: 2SLGBTQ+ existence is causing a breakdown in the moral fabric of society​

The idea that being queer is a step toward the destruction of everything we know and hold dear is a really, really old idea.

People also thought that women working outside the home would cause the downfall of society, but what it did was give women the freedom to leave relationships that didn’t work for them. De-segregating Black and white schools, workplaces and neighbourhoods was also supposed to cause the end of civil society as we knew it, but very little changed for white families.

There is no connection between queerness and amoral behaviour — countries with comprehensive sex education that includes gender and sexuality, and legal protections for queer folks are not more likely to be corrupt, have higher crime rates, or increased rates of mental illness or even STIs.

In fact, the opposite is often the case.

With comprehensive sexual education comes lower pregnancy rates and fewer STIs. And countries with better protections for queer people are more likely to have comprehensive social programs, lower rates of poverty and less stigma toward queer folks, all of which help with the other issues above.

The simple fact is that change can be scary, especially when we don’t understand it, but that doesn’t make it bad or amoral.

Where did these myths come from?​

Queer relationships were illegal in Canada until 1969. Gay marriage was not recognized in Canada until 2003 and is still only recognized in 34 countries globally.

Since gay men and lesbians had to live in secret, hiding their relationships from the outside world and often even from their families and co-workers, they were seen as secretive and capable of deception.

Similar attitudes persist about trans people, who are thought to hide the gender they were assigned at birth from the world (which is weird because most people don’t have to disclose anything about their birth to every person they meet). Gay men and lesbians were not allowed to serve in the military or hold government jobs or professional positions, such as doctor or lawyer. They were seen as dangerous strangers and even treated as traitors by the Canadian government until as late as the early 1990s.

Times have slightly changed since then.

Now, instead of calling us communist sympathizers, they refer to us as child molesters, but it is the same rhetoric, coming from the same part of the political spectrum.

Their goal is clear: If you discredit the messenger, nobody will listen to the message. Saying queer folks are linked to grooming or pedophilia is equal to calling us one of the worst things a person can be. It tries to discredit us as a group and seeks to silence us.

What we say about ourselves no longer matters — what we say about politics, about our relationships, about our lives no longer matters because we are seen as monsters instead of people.

It then becomes not only desirable but necessary to treat queer people as threatening lesser beings, to police us and our behaviours in order to protect children, even when there is absolutely no basis to the arguments underlying this position.

Then again, when has common sense and empathy gotten in the way of good old-fashioned scapegoating?
 
Mmm not sure about this, in comparison straight pedophiles grooming methods are much less tolerated than gay pedophiles grooming methods by the general population and media, anyway both sides need to go to the wall regardless of their sexuality and political stance.
Child marriage is legal in most of the US and several states are forcing children to give birth
 
Weird because you could say the same thing about conservative pedos in the half of the country they control.

All pedophiles, pedophile apologists, and groomers of children, need to be called out and shamed for their degenerate behavior, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if their behaviour is egregious enough to warrant it.

ALL OF THEM.

Do you agree with that, or not?
 
All pedophiles, pedophile apologists, and groomers of children, need to be called out and shamed for their degenerate behavior, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if their behaviour is egregious enough to warrant it.

ALL OF THEM.

Do you agree with that, or not?
Yep.

That includes the ones trying to force children to give birth and fighting efforts to ban child marriage, right?
 
Child marriage is legal in most of the US and several states are forcing children to give birth
Yes and that is a horrible thing, in the same way that gender transition in children is also legal in several states and it is also a horrible thing, just because you are a dykoid doesn't mean you should ignore the pedos from your political side.
 
Man, it's sad to see decent and funny threads get shit up with what leftwingers call 'whataboutism'. You can't shit on trannies I guess without being told 'there's bad straight people too'.
 
Yes and that is a horrible thing, in the same way that gender transition in children is also legal in several states and it is also a horrible thing, just because you are a dykoid doesn't mean you should ignore the pedos from your political side.
Maybe kids wouldn't want to transition so much if being sexualized by pedos wasn't such a universal experience for girls the second they start puberty.

Btw no states allow medical transition of pre-pubescent children, and several have banned it altogether for anyone under 18 (mysteriously the same states have yet to ban child marriage and some of them are the same ones forcing children to give birth. Florida even banned teaching kids about periods before 6th grade even though plenty of girls hit menarche before that age, yet also thinks they should be forced to give birth).
 
Whenever I see the "think of the children" line these days this is what comes to mind.

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Yep.

That includes the ones trying to force children to give birth and fighting efforts to ban child marriage, right?

Then why don't you call out the rainbow brigade perverts who are blatantly exposing children to sexualization? And why don't you call out their mainstream media apologists and allies?

I have no problem calling out pedo behavior no matter what the motivations or political affiliations of the pedos in question happen to be.

Their identities are irrelevant. They're pedos, and that's all I need to know.

I don't care if you're wearing a Boy Scout uniform, carrying a crucifix, or waving a rainbow flag. If they're pedos, toss them all into volcanoes without exception, or mercy.

Do you agree, or do you want to keep bringing your political slants into discussions of pedophiles for some highly-suspect reason?
 
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Some menes demonstrating that normalizing this does have an effect on society. I'm sure most of you have seen most or all of them before but thevdrivek in this article does not deserve much more of a response.
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Maybe kids wouldn't want to transition so much if being sexualized by pedos wasn't such a universal experience for girls the second they start puberty.

Btw no states allow medical transition of pre-pubescent children, and several have banned it altogether for anyone under 18 (mysteriously the same states have yet to ban child marriage and some of them are the same ones forcing children to give birth. Florida even banned teaching kids about periods before 6th grade even though plenty of girls hit menarche before that age, yet also thinks they should be forced to give birth).
The only people who are grooming children for gender transition are the rainbow cult and the media, your hate for your fundie parents makes you blind, what a sad thing.
 
Then why don't you call out the rainbow brigade perverts who are blatantly exposing children to sexualization? And why don't you call out their mainstream media apologists and allies?
We do. It's just that teaching kids gay people exist isn't sexualization.

Gay people make up like 1% of child rapists. A vast majority of people molesting kids identify as straight regardless of the gender of child they abuse, and a good chunk are married and have kids of their own. The loud and proud faggot is statistically much less likely to be a danger to your kids than the conservative "family man" that catcalls female children from his tiny dick truck and sneaks into his daughters rooms at night.
The only people who are grooming children for gender transition are the rainbow cult and the media, your hate for your fundie parents makes you blind, what a sad thing.
My parents weren't fundies
 

Let Me Be Perfectly Queer

i hope you felt so fucking good when you came up with that
If being gay is about sex, then learning about gay people is learning about sex. But it isn’t about sex, any more than a heterosexual marriage is about sex.
most gay people are sexual degenerates who suck and fuck anyone they please. AIDS ridden cock or not
Heterosexual relationships are so common, the sexuality of those involved becomes invisible to us. When two characters get married on TV, it is just a wedding. When two gay characters get married, all of a sudden children are being exposed to sexuality in a way that scares parents. Just knowing that gay people exist is often seen as too sexual.
this is such a false equivalency, it's actually painful (lol). people aren't mad that gay people are married on TV, people are mad because they keep putting that shit into children's media. CHILDREN do not need to be questioning their sexuality. when i was young, i played outside and was told by people that they fucked my mom on call of duty not wondering if i wanted a dick in my ass.
Similarly, family friendly drag shows are seen by some as sexual no matter how the performers dress or how chaste the content of the act might be.
BECAUSE THOSE FAGGOTS TWERK AND DO SEXUAL THINGS AT "FAMILY FRIENDLY" EVENTS

Snoop Dogg has made multiple appearances on Sesame Street and adjusts his material for children, but parents know not to take their three-year-old to his concerts. However, the standard of being family friendly is impossible to meet for 2SLGBTQ+ artists if merely being queer or trans or performing in drag makes the act too sexual, regardless of the content of the performance or context of the situation.
it's not the fact that people are gay, it's the fact that it's gay people doing sexual things when children are around. everybody and their grandma knows that snoop smokes weed, why the fuck would you bring your child to a concert filled with stoners and other people on drugs
The term “groomer” comes from homophobic arguments made in the 1970s. They were used to deny gay men and lesbians basic rights like health care or protection from workplace discrimination.
fuck you. just fuck you. i don't give a fuck where "groomer" comes from. if you are somebody that grooms a child, you should be put to death in the worst way possible

ugh, the logical fallacies are insane.
 
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Where the fuck did the 2S come from and what particular brand of depravity does it represent?
It's specifically Canadian-branded gay shit regarding the Injuns that have a much greater stranglehold there than they do in the US. I recognized that this article is from Canada as soon as I saw it. As I recently found out, "2S" now gets included in official Canadian government documents.
 
We do. It's just that teaching kids gay people exist isn't sexualization.

Gay people make up like 1% of child rapists. A vast majority of people molesting kids identify as straight regardless of the gender of child they abuse, and a good chunk are married and have kids of their own. The loud and proud faggot is statistically much less likely to be a danger to your kids than the conservative "family man" that catcalls female children from his tiny dick truck and sneaks into his daughters rooms at night.

My parents weren't fundies
That’s a nice argument you have there, why don’t you back it up with a source?
 
But are we talking full-on straight, or “straight” with a beard? It’s entirely possible (indeed, in the time the article was pulling its numbers, all but a certainty) that the respondents lied in order to get to positions of power and authority over children. Find any job where people are given power and control (and to some degree, isolation) over kids, turn over any rock, and you will find a child predator.

Also explain to me how the BSA allowed faggotry and only immediately afterward did the sex abuse proliferate.
 
But are we talking full-on straight, or “straight” with a beard? It’s entirely possible (indeed, in the time the article was pulling its numbers, all but a certainty) that the respondents lied in order to get to positions of power and authority over children. Find any job where people are given power and control (and to some degree, isolation) over kids, turn over any rock, and you will find a child predator.

Also explain to me how the BSA allowed faggotry and only immediately afterward did the sex abuse proliferate.
Either way its not people loud and proudly identifying as gay and being active in the LGBTQ community.

Btw the abuse in boy scouts has been going on for decades, it's just there's been a bunch of lawsuits recently (iirc some of the victims in the lawsuits go back as far as the 40s). There's a good documentary about the boy scouts abuse issue on Netflix right now, it actually goes over them trying to scapegoat gay people for the abuse when in reality like most CSA, it was being committed by men who identify as straight (many of whom were married).

BSU also knew about many of these men who were diddling kids but just shat itself and did nothing and allowed them to keep moving around abusing kids, sometimes for decades.
 
Child marriage is legal in most of the US and several states are forcing children to give birth
Like clockwork the lesbian comes in with muh child marriage like society is encouraging 12 year olds to go out with 30 year olds. But muh red state muh child marriage when most examples you can pull up are like 14 and 16 want to get married with parents permission. Because lone behold America is a multi cultural country and groups like the Amish and Mennonites exist.

Fuck off you're only here to defend muh heckin homos because you're a putz snatcher.
 
Like clockwork the lesbian comes in with muh child marriage like society is encouraging 12 year olds to go out with 30 year olds. But muh red state muh child marriage when most examples you can pull up are like 14 and 16 want to get married with parents permission.
And there we go, someone trying to defend people marrying 14 year olds in a thread where people are supposedly freaked out about child grooming and abuse.

Fun fact: most child marriage is an underage girl being married to an adult man, and parental permission is often parental coercion (like the Maranantha Chapman case). There's also no minimum age for marriage in many states and Republicans have fought tooth and nail against adding one in states like Wyoming (where a bill that would set the minimum age at 16 failed b/c Republicans there got mad about it for some reason).
 
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