Pro Vax Kiwis Prove Me Wrong

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Saddam Hussain Obama

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I would consider my views conservative and try to keep an open mind, but recently I've been concerned with the amount of videos I see of young athletes freezing up and having heart attacks. The numbers are shocking too, and the only thing pro vaxers like my brother can do is say it's conspiracy theories and confirmation bias. One that almost made me chuckle he said was that they were freezing to think. I tried to hear out the other side, but it seems every pro vaxer like destiny's go-to line is that it's a conspiracy theory to say it's bad. It's totally effective, soysense says, but they never prove anything or bother to look into the studies.

So to sum it up, pro-vax Kiwis, prove me wrong.
 
The vaccine is associated with heart lining inflammation in young men. It's usually self limiting if you're unlucky enough to experience this side effect and causes no long-term damage.
Young athletes collapsing like that is probably due to the SADS conditions like Brugada Syndrome, Long QT Syndrome etc. which are severely under-diagnosed. Sometimes the first sign of these diseases can be sudden cardiac death but it's not considered economical to screen young athletes so people are often only screened when a family member dies suddenly.
As for the efficacy of the vaccines, I've never seen a person who said they are totally effective. They are not a silver bullet solution, that's why masking was encouraged. The vaccines simply reduce the risk of severe covid that causes hospitalization and death.

Vaccines don’t need to prevent transmission to protect other people​

While the ideal vaccine is one that prevents both disease and transmission, the narrative that vaccines which don’t prevent transmission don’t protect other people is inaccurate and misleading. In fact, there are many vaccines predating the COVID-19 vaccines that don’t prevent transmission but still made their mark on public health.

In an article for The Conversation, Sarah Caddy, a clinical research fellow at Cambridge University, explained that “In reality, it is actually extremely difficult to produce vaccines that stop virus infection altogether. Most vaccines that are in routine use today do not achieve this”.

She cited the example of the rotavirus vaccine:

[V]accines targeting rotavirus, a common cause of diarrhoea in infants, are only capable of preventing severe disease. But this has still proven invaluable in controlling the virus. In the US, there has been almost 90% fewer cases of rotavirus-associated hospital visits since the vaccine was introduced in 2006.
Another example is the pertussis vaccine, which provides protection against whooping cough, a potentially serious illness in infants. While it doesn’t completely clear out the bacterium (Bordetella pertussis) responsible for the disease[2], the introduction of the vaccine in the 1940s led to a decrease in cases from more than 100,000 cases per year to fewer than 10,000 by 1965.

Natasha Crowcroft, a vaccine expert and senior technical advisor on measles and rubella for the World Health Organization, told Scientific American that the most common flu vaccine also doesn’t prevent transmission for several reasons, such as the low immunization rate in adults and the virus’ ability to mutate rapidly. Nevertheless, depending on the year, flu vaccines still reduce hospitalizations among older adults by an estimated 40 percent and intensive care admissions of all adults by as much as 82 percent.
Writing for Science Based Medicine, David Gorski, a professor of surgery and oncology at Wayne State University, explained that “study designs to identify interruption of pathogen transmission are different than for determining efficacy and safety, which is why they are best carried out during postlicensing surveillance, not during the randomized controlled phase 3 trial for licensure”.
 
I got the vax twice, minus the increasing chest pains I feel fine.
If it's not effective at preventing transmission then why was it mandatory for so many people?
Probably a combination of insider trading and seeing how far they can control people. They had massive investments in vaccine stocks, practically forcing it as a requirement would make one hell of a pay day.
 
I got the vax twice, minus the increasing chest pains I feel fine.

Probably a combination of insider trading and seeing how far they can control people. They had massive investments in vaccine stocks, practically forcing it as a requirement would make one hell of a pay day.
Moderna Chads got a fat payday, Pfizer kikes on the other hand didnt even double their investment LMAO get Fauci'd
 
I can't believe a runner has to stop and take a breath. Surprising that they need to breathe like every other human.

If you have a "reaction" to the covid vaccine you already had a pre-existing health condition.

"muh heart" niggas be fat, no shit they have heart trouble
"muh fertility" niggas be old of course they have fertility issues
"muh lungs" niggas over here smoking, vaping, and not doing cardio expect to have healthy lungs and heart

Covid isn't even a scary disease to begin with. The virus can easily be washed off with everyday fuckin soap and hand sanitizer and niggas are so stupid they don't do the bare minimum. Literally just wash your hands, keep your hands off your face, and cover your mouth if you need to cough/sneeze and you will be fine. Imagine still freaking out about a sensationalized cold in 2023.
 
I got the vaccine, but I was already autistic. checkmate bitch

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If it's not effective at preventing transmission then why was it mandatory for so many people?
To save hospital resources. It will lessen the chance of severe COVID requiring ICU care so people with non-COVID conditions can still get care. Plus, people in healthcare really should be getting vaccinated. They're working with the most vulnerable people, including people with suppressed immune systems on chemo, organ transplant medicine, autoimmune medications etc.
It does prevent transmission some but I've heard wildly different claims on the percentages. Anything helps.
 
To save hospital resources. It will lessen the chance of severe COVID requiring ICU care so people with non-COVID conditions can still get care. Plus, people in healthcare really should be getting vaccinated. They're working with the most vulnerable people, including people with suppressed immune systems on chemo, organ transplant medicine, autoimmune medications etc.
It does prevent transmission some but I've heard wildly different claims on the percentages. Anything helps.
Your study about effectiveness It basically says that it can slightly decrease your chances of getting COVID, but the other issue I have is that you say that the heart issues in athletes are caused by Brugada Syndrome, Long QT syndrome, etc., but three issues I have

1: Why is this only happening to athletes recently, or at least in large amounts?
2: Why are things like unknown causes of death a leading cause of death recently?
3: How come doctors and other non-athletes, such as news reporters, are suddenly having this issue?

Also, I would like to add that my grandparents suddenly had chest pains and struggled breathing, and my grandma had a stroke after taking the vaccine. My grandpa's cardiologist talked about how young people's hearts were exploding, and he thinks it's the vaccine. Thoughts?
 
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1: Why is this only happening to athletes recently, or at least in large amounts?
2: Why are things like unknown causes of death a leading cause of death recently?
3: How come doctors and other non-athletes, such as news reporters, are suddenly having this issue?
1. I think it's just been over reported and by special interest groups like anti-vaxers who are calling everything SADS from vaccines, even in obese elderly people.
2. Unknown cause of death could be anything, but I'm not an ME.
3 . Fat old neurotic boomers.
 
1. I think it's just been over reported and by special interest groups like anti-vaxers who are calling everything SADS from vaccines, even in obese elderly people.
2. Unknown cause of death could be anything, but I'm not an ME.
3 . Fat old neurotic boomers.
1 and 2 make sense, 3 is wrong. Most of these reporters I've seen are young I don't have the videos, but I would be interested in your thoughts on that.
 
1 and 2 make sense, 3 is wrong. Most of these reporters I've seen are young I don't have the videos, but I would be interested in your thoughts on that.
I did hear of that reporter who suddenly died in Qatar or something at a sports game. I just looked it up and it said he had an aneurysm in his heart. Unlucky bastard.
Some aortic aneurysms are hereditary or congenital, such as bicuspid aortic valve, infection or inflammatory conditions.
He wasn't really young enough to experience the myocarditis from the vaccine though.
 
I did hear of that reporter who suddenly died in Qatar or something at a sports game. I just looked it up and it said he had an aneurysm in his heart. Unlucky bastard.

He wasn't really young enough to experience the myocarditis from the vaccine though.
I don't have the video, as they are hard to google, but there's that clip of all the reporters fainting and having heart issues.
 
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