MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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It's rather sickening to see the media paint Trump's detached acumen as a weakness in the wake of the manufactured Khan controversy. Because government needs more money and soldiers' lives wasted on compassion and humanitarianism.
 
KatsuKitty said:
It's rather sickening to see the media paint Trump's detached acumen as a weakness in the wake of the manufactured Khan controversy. Because government needs more money and soldiers' lives wasted on compassion and humanitarianism.
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It is a weakness. The mark of an effective leader is knowing when to keep his god damn mouth shut and having some amount of empathy and concern for others. At the very least it means restraint, not just saying and doing whatever you want and flipping off everybody who doesn't agree with you. This guy can't even interact with the families of American soldiers in a polite manner. If he had to meet with foreign leaders it would be international incident after international incident. Not only that the man's insecurity is off the charts and he seems to react to minor jabs at his ego with lolcow esque rage and paranoia.

As for compassion and humanitarianism, we already had 8 years of Bush. If anything wastes the lives of our soldiers and our tax dollars its mindless belligerence and jingoism.
 
feedtheoctopus said:
It is a weakness. The mark of an effective leader is knowing when to keep his god damn mouth shut and having some amount of empathy and concern for others. At the very least it means restraint, not just saying and doing whatever you want and flipping off everybody who doesn't agree with you. This guy can't even interact with the families of American soldiers in a polite manner. If he had to meet with foreign leaders it would be international incident after international incident. Not only that the man's insecurity is off the charts and he seems to react to minor jabs at his ego with lolcow esque rage and paranoia.

As for compassion and humanitarianism, we already had 8 years of Bush. If anything wastes the lives of our soldiers and our tax dollars its mindless belligerence and jingoism.
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Trump is making a fatal error in not simply ignoring the topic, that I will give you. I do feel like Trump's emotional game isn't exactly top notch in that respect because one thing that does seem to trigger him is when he's directly insulted.
 
KatsuKitty said:
Trump is making a fatal error in not simply ignoring the topic, that I will give you. I do feel like Trump's emotional game isn't exactly top notch in that respect because one thing that does seem to trigger him is when he's directly insulted.
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Yet he expects to be able to dish it out freely with no repercussions? That just solidifies how much of a hypocrite he is. No wonder he was Clinton's backer for so long: custom made politicians
 
feedtheoctopus said:
As for compassion and humanitarianism, we already had 8 years of Bush. If anything wastes the lives of our soldiers and our tax dollars its mindless belligerence and jingoism.
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Allow me to speak in defense of Dubya's legacy, and of the war in Iraq.

The mission was and is clear: expel Al Qaeda from the country, and now ISIS. If we had learned anything from how to fight counterinsurgency in Vietnam, the execution would have been as well.

It wasn't mindless "jingoism" as you say, it was colossal mismanagement from the top down that cost lives of our troops and Iraqi citizens. It's a good example for not having military tactics dictated by think-tanks and bureaucracy. Not to mention personal interests in the higher echelons like Cheny's corrupt pet security firm.
 
ISIS is the result of the Obama administration running guns to them from Benghazi and running out of Iraq to score political points when all experts were saying 'Don't do that'

This was entirely avoidable and its hilarious that Democrats are still blaming Bush for that shit
 
Tranhuviya said:
Allow me to speak in defense of Dubya's legacy, and of the war in Iraq.

The mission was and is clear: expel Al Qaeda from the country, and now ISIS. If we had learned anything from how to fight counterinsurgency in Vietnam, the execution would have been as well.

It wasn't mindless "jingoism" as you say, it was colossal mismanagement from the top down that cost lives of our troops and Iraqi citizens. It's a good example for not having military tactics dictated by think-tanks and bureaucracy. Not to mention personal interests in the higher echelons like Cheny's corrupt pet security firm.
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Al Qaeda was never in Iraq before we were and we actually invaded so we could privatize Iraq's oil fields, dish out neato contracts to our corporations, open up a new market for our products, and expand our sphere of influence in the region. There was no weapons of mass destruction either. Bush and friends also were naive enough to think they could bomb Iraq into democracy, something the entire country seemingly bought into. They didn't understand what kind of sectarian clusterfuck they were stepping into, and by the time they realized it was too late. Like you said, we didn't learn from Vietnam. We thought we could impose our will and ideas of a good society on a country we didn't understand and that didn't want us. And our entire country, collectively, thought this was a good idea because "America fuck yeah!", which is where the jingoism comes in. There was never, ever, going to be true victory in Iraq and we were arrogant for believing there could be.
 
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Allow me to speak in defense of Dubya's legacy, and of the war in Iraq.

The mission was and is clear: expel Al Qaeda from the country, and now ISIS.
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Al Qaeda wasn't even in the fucking country when it was run by a fucking brutal but more or less secular dictator who brutally suppressed anything that threatened his rule.

We got RID of that guy.
 
KatsuKitty said:
It's rather sickening to see the media paint Trump's detached acumen as a weakness in the wake of the manufactured Khan controversy. Because government needs more money and soldiers' lives wasted on compassion and humanitarianism.
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Maybe if it started by having some compassion for its own soldiers, it could move in a positive direction.
 
AnOminous said:
Al Qaeda wasn't even in the fucking country when it was run by a fucking brutal but more or less secular dictator who brutally suppressed anything that threatened his rule.
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Lol yes they were and they were training there, as well as dozens of other terrorist groups

http://www.9-11commission.gov/

It's all over the report, and there's only one dissenting opinion I conveniently linked to earlier
 
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Tranhuviya said:
Allow me to speak in defense of Dubya's legacy, and of the war in Iraq.

The mission was and is clear: expel Al Qaeda from the country, and now ISIS. If we had learned anything from how to fight counterinsurgency in Vietnam, the execution would have been as well.

It wasn't mindless "jingoism" as you say, it was colossal mismanagement from the top down that cost lives of our troops and Iraqi citizens. It's a good example for not having military tactics dictated by think-tanks and bureaucracy. Not to mention personal interests in the higher echelons like Cheny's corrupt pet security firm.
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The jingoism was just a cover more than anything. Strap enough flags to something, and certain demographics would go nuts for it, even if it was something fucking terrible like a King Cobra.
If we are to insist on being a global superpower (a largely dead term since the end of the Cold War) let us atleast push more diplomatic solutions, humanitarian aid can be a very useful if managed more rigourously. I would be much happier if most refugee camps were set up in places like inner Jordan. A place to stay while not being thrown into an inverted culture. Beats having them drown by the hundreds and sure as shit beats Merklestan.
As I mentioned, NATO's efforts have helped us in stamping out pirates in Somalia, as well as giving America and her allies irreplacible access to so many regions.
Kuwait especially deserves praise because of our naval base is critical for maintaining control of the Persian Gulf, and in our joint military exercises with the Kuwaiti military. Unlike our "friends" in the Saudi Kingdom (or most of the Middle East), Kuwait has a very secular court system that uses Shariah only in family law for Muslims, and it actually shows, considering the last execution was in 2013 for murder. It does have censorship of internet, mostly porn, but the state doesn't crack down on non-Muslim's private worship. I think they're the only nation in the region that even recognizes non-Muslims as citizens. @Ntwadumela can probably give us a better perspective.
But if you want proof our current alliance system is fucked, look at what Saudi Arabia is like and conpare it to Kuwait. Beside the corruption and human trafficking for manual labor, they the closest thing to a truatworthy nation, at least one that isn't exporting Wahabbist horseshit through the Middle East that is a big reason these jihadists and Islamists keep fucking appearing every couple of years. If you cut the legs out from under the Saudis and Iranians, in a few generations of crushing any remaining Islamist holdouts, there would not be as many Islamists and very few jihadists if they had no access to the funds and gear they do now. We fucking did it twice to the north African territories of the fucking Ottoman Empire back in the early 1800's.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
Lol yes they were and they were training there, as well as dozens of other terrorist groups

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing3/witness_yaphe.htm
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Source doesn't even agree with you.

"These assessments are incorrect in my personal view and in my professional judgment as a scholar and intelligence analyst on Iraq, the Middle East and the Persian Gulf region for more than 20 years. Simply put, Saddam Husayn supported extremist groups that would respond to his orders and work against his enemy. This, unfortunately, does not make him the primary suspect or emince grise for al-Qaida's attacks on the United States."

"I find troubling the use of circumstantial evidence and the corresponding lack of credible evidence to jump to extraordinary conclusions on Iraqi support for al-Qaida. By credible, I mean reporting from sources with some record of credibility, from open sources or intelligence community clandestine sources; evidence of the signature of an attack to a known group, something tangible linking doer to deed to sponsor."

"If these alleged facts are true, we should be able to confirm them-we have al-Ani and Hijazi in custody. If a terrorist calls Iraq, does that prove state complicity? If a terrorist meets with an Iraqi intelligence officer, does that make him a tool of the Iraqis? If a terrorist receives money from the UAE, does that make the UAE complicit? I think not on all counts."

Seriously try a source that actually supports you and doesn't contradict your horseshit.
 
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Welp wrong page of the 9/11 commission. That's the one dissenting opinion.

Thomas Kean, co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission, said in 2004: “There was no question in our minds that there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda.”

There is no doubt that Saddam helped, hid and coordinated with Al Qaeda.
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The Pentagon released a report 4 years later, after going through thousands of captured documents that couldn't give proof to a direct link.
The U.S. military's first and only study looking into ties between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda showed no connection between the two, according to a military report released by the Pentagon.

The report released by the Joint Forces Command five years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq said it found no "smoking gun" after reviewing about 600,000 Iraqi documents captured in the invasion and looking at interviews of key Iraqi leadership held by the United States, Pentagon officials said.
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The Pentagon's report also contradicts then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who said in September 2002 that the CIA provided "bulletproof" evidence demonstrating "that there are, in fact, al Qaeda in Iraq."
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The documents cited in the report do reveal that Hussein supported a number of terrorists and terrorist activities inside and outside Iraq.

"The Iraqi regime was involved in regional and international terrorist operations prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom. The predominant targets of Iraqi state terror operations were Iraqi citizens, both inside and outside of Iraq," according to the report.

Most of the terrorism was aimed at keeping Hussein and his Baath party in power, according to Pentagon officials.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/13/alqaeda.saddam/
They even included some of the report from the Pentagon. http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/03/14/saddam.terrorism.pentagon.pdf
And even if the Pentagon was wrong, and our President had information that directly connects the two, it would still be his fault for agreeing to a detailed timetable for leaving Iraq by 2011.
It makes it worse if we knew about the camps, because that means we essentially intended to leave with full knowledge we would have trained Jihadists fighting men who may have just finished training by US forces. And we left a stockpile of equipment if said jihadists managed to kill, or rout Iraqi security forces.
So we either
  • knew and didn't care about a resurgent al-Qaeda branch in Iraq by mid 2008,
  • didn't know and the US military fucked up despite having documents that showed no direct connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda
  • Or there were no al-Qaeda camps in Iraq because Saddam had no direct ties to them, and nobody expected Assad to lose control to the point of a civil war. Said war then would the spill over into Iraq and helped create ISIS because the West nor Russia were willing to put a stop before they overran security forces and stole state of the art weapons and vehicle systems.
 
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So we either
  • knew and didn't care about a resurgent al-Qaeda branch in Iraq by mid 2008,
  • we didn't know and the US military fucked up despite having documents that showed no direct connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda
  • There were no al-Qaeda camps in Iraq because Iraq had no direct ties to them, and nobody expected Assad to lose control to the point of a civik war, and the spillover of the Syrian Civil War helped create ISIS because the West nor Russia were willing to put a stop before they overran parts of Iraq and stole state of the art weapons and vehicle systems.
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Or all the above.
 
Mean while Dr.Stein tried to slip under the radar while everyone was talking about of Trump's determination to stop Russia from invading Ukraine...after they already had invaded them and his insistence of making a yuger and yuger ass out of himself.
I'm going to put "Dr." in quotes because if I heard my doctor saying shit like this...I'd have packed up and find a different doctor that didn't pander to the Green party's anti-vaxxing and health-woo reputation.
You can read the title and see how wrong she is about the whole fucking thing. It is some shit I eould have expected from Dr. Phil before a real medical doctor trained in America.
 
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