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Some Badger said:
I've noticed this increasingly more often too. A lot of them are just harmless autists who just aren't cut for active combat, but the you'll also stumble across the occasional milfur account on Twitter and find that they have posted multiple commissioned works of their armed femboy fursona. Curiously, the latter is more susceptible to right-wing grifting than the former.
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I can't say that there's any specific nature to how veterans should be when they return from combat. I've seen hard-asses who think people are being too sensitive. But I've also watched an Iraq war vet break down in tears while discussing the damage that insurgents caused to an airport after his tour of duty ended. Our soldiers are cut from all kinds of cloth, so it doesn't really surprise me that degenerate furries are among that number.
 
The Big O said:
Gotta wonder how furries whom serve or have served in active military branches must feel about these leftist/ACAB/degenerate kink yahoos who are trying to gatekeep them out of cons despite probably serving the country in ways more meaningful than them. I bet quite a few of them wouldn't mind cold-clocking some ANTIFA furry in the head for being disruptive little shits if they could get away with it.
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If they got into the military after 2016, there are good odds they're part of the gatekeeping campaign. Military/LEO furs were always kind of split between normies and complete freaks, but that skew has been leaning harder and harder towards the freaks.
 
So apparently FurAffinity has decided to take a stance against cub porn and anything NSFW involving minors. Being FurAffinity they cannot do this without also fucking up at the same time. (Archive)

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They have basically ran head first into the concrete wall of "what counts as a minor" because these are furries and as such you have literally infinite types of body shapes and species and different art styles and so on. Already there is a apparent uproar because of how many pokemans and digimons are getting the axe for being "child-like" and so you can imagine the butthurt. They had to add some "clarifications" but they didn't help much to the users of the site.

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There will be much drama ahead thanks to this. I am sure.

On a side note: who the fuck is this "Camfex" and why does saving a webpage from FurAffinity on archive.is apparently assume the snapshot from his account POV?
 
I imagine that people like Zaush will still be allowed to get away with posting obvious child porn because he's friends with Neer. Sure, FA can take this stance, but historically Neer has always allowed his friends/fuck buddies to get away with breaking the rules.
 
General Emílio Médici said:
So apparently FurAffinity has decided to take a stance against cub porn and anything NSFW involving minors. Being FurAffinity they cannot do this without also fucking up at the same time. (Archive)

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They have basically ran head first into the concrete wall of "what counts as a minor" because these are furries and as such you have literally infinite types of body shapes and species and different art styles and so on. Already there is a apparent uproar because of how many pokemans and digimons are getting the axe for being "child-like" and so you can imagine the butthurt. They had to add some "clarifications" but they didn't help much to the users of the site.

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There will be much drama ahead thanks to this. I am sure.

On a side note: who the fuck is this "Camfex" and why does saving a webpage from FurAffinity on archive.is apparently assume the snapshot from his account POV?
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Camfex is the account made specifically for archiving adult pages/pages hidden to guests.

At least FA is moving a step in the right direction. Can't see how they fucked up like you said. They actually did it correctly: any human-esque body that looks like a minor should be treated as one. That's not fucking up to me. That's literally how it should have been done to begin with. Should have never gone with the "just claim they're 18 and it's fine" route like Zaush did. However, there are pedophiles in FA staff (including Dragoneer himself) so getting a staff member to legit follow this rule and act on tickets may pose a difficulty.
 
General Emílio Médici said:
There will be much drama ahead thanks to this. I am sure.
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There already appears to be some drama brewing, specifically with our good old friend Koolkat/Riilu, who has been mentioned before in the Furry PA thread because of his Barneyfag tier Undertale sperging.
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Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20230520124634/https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10554436/
It's what you would expect, here's a pretty funny highlight:
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"I-IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT JUST USE A BLACKLIST!!!"
okay self proclaimed 'pred for hire' lol
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JesusChristDenton said:
There already appears to be some drama brewing, specifically with our good old friend Koolkat/Riilu, who has been mentioned before in the Furry PA thread because of his Barneyfag tier Undertale sperging.
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Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20230520124634/https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10554436/
It's what you would expect, here's a pretty funny highlight:
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"I-IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT JUST USE A BLACKLIST!!!"
okay self proclaimed 'pred for hire' lol
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Oh man. The saddest part is that I was bouncing off the walls on 8chan for UNDERTALE and I barely even remember this faggot. Maybe the first tweet and that's it.
I assume this was before the furry porn board split?

Anyway, I'm glad that I looked up gilgar13vids's old post because someone else in the thread reminded me of all the cute goat videos people would post in UTG threads:
 
Heres some more reactions:
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I can somewhat understand where they are coming from with dwarf/short/midget characters still being adults, but this is Furaffinity, a website packed with all kinds of degenerate weirdos. Besides, multiple people in the thread have stated that FA mods and admins are rich global elite types, able to get away with all sorts of shit that would get a normal FA user permabanned.
 
They wouldn't have to ban midgets if those kinda fucks didn't draw children and call them midgets. I've seen those "pokemon can be any age at any evolution" people then they turn around and draw riolu in a diaper shitting itself in a pre schooler class room making it pretty obvious that's not a midget lucario. They want a loop hole to exploit. You get what you deserve you pedo freaks.
 
General Emílio Médici said:
So apparently FurAffinity has decided to take a stance against cub porn and anything NSFW involving minors. Being FurAffinity they cannot do this without also fucking up at the same time. (Archive)

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They have basically ran head first into the concrete wall of "what counts as a minor" because these are furries and as such you have literally infinite types of body shapes and species and different art styles and so on. Already there is a apparent uproar because of how many pokemans and digimons are getting the axe for being "child-like" and so you can imagine the butthurt. They had to add some "clarifications" but they didn't help much to the users of the site.

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There will be much drama ahead thanks to this. I am sure.

On a side note: who the fuck is this "Camfex" and why does saving a webpage from FurAffinity on archive.is apparently assume the snapshot from his account POV?
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cool some one posted it before me.
Saw a lot hub buzz about it . I am betting they got a call from insert Credit card company /PayPal/domain host about xyz artist has cub that against the rules.
Reached the boiling-Point to be remove it or else!!
heard most of the talks on Discord from twitter.
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I can understand why people might be suspicious that their short characters would be considered underage by someone retarded enough to want to be a furaffinity mod. But then again, I've seen furries try to claim pictures of short characters are underage (as a way to trick an artist who wouldn't agree to draw underage) so I really can't feel too bad for the people honestly worried about this.
 
This whole FA thing is making me groan because it is obviously being done over advertisement/payment procesors yet they won't admit it and instead have to grandstand and say how virtuous and nice they are unlike those filthy pedos who oppose this... Despite some of the people who support this being into cub or have characters who break their new guidelines. Every single time someone starts being very vocal about it I can't help but think "yeah these guys are actual pedos trying to deflect".
Now add onto that the fact this is the same fucking community who refuses to out nonces and zoophiles for a bunch of reasons, so am I to believe you aren't doing this purely for monetary reasons?
 
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May 22, 2023 - FAQs and Clarifications for UP 2.7
8 hours ago
FAQs and Clarifications for UP 2.7

To begin, we want to start this announcement off with an apology on how this has been handled. It was scheduled to be posted at a time that not all staff were available to help moderate and were not able to provide adequate clarifications concerning what we look for in regards to "aging up" characters. Because of this, there was confusion and speculation that caused undue stress upon the community which should have been prevented sooner. This led to some users feeling they would be falsely accused of being something they are not and become a target of harassment. We do not tolerate harassment of our users. If you ever experience an issue with someone and need staff assistance, we encourage you to open a trouble ticket in here:


This is an ongoing learning experience for us on how to prepare to handle announcements like this. That doesn't fix what's happened and we know that, but we will continue to improve so that we can provide a better experience for the community in the future.


Frequently Asked Questions

TL;DR
- The rule isn’t new and hasn’t changed.
- This does not affect SFW content.
- Enforcement is being expanded to include Pokémon and Digimon.
- Short characters are not being impacted.
- Minors involved in SFW or non-sexualized interests, such as vore and transformation, are allowed.



1. What does the rule say?
Content featuring minors is not allowed when the minor is in the presence of sexual activity, sexual objects, or nudity, though exceptions may be made for non-sexual depictions of birth and breastfeeding. Presence is defined as being in the same scene, such as sharing a comic panel, contiguous image, reference sheet, or specific section of a story where characters are engaging each other.

Minors may not have detailed bulges or outlines of normal or hyper genitalia, clothed or otherwise. Minors may not be fetishized. Minors younger than 13 may not be depicted as pregnant. Minors are defined as real or fictional humanoids with a childlike body or younger than 18 years old, and any adolescent animals or fantasy creatures.


2. When was this rule created?
The terminology of “childlike body and adolescent animals” is a clarification that went into effect on September 8th, 2015 (7+ years ago) to an already existing rule that was created on November 24th, 2010 (12+ years ago) that banned content featuring minors in sexual situations.


3. Why did this rule receive clarification in 2015?
While minors were banned from being in sexual content in 2010, users were still uploading children in sexual situations, saying that they were adults (e.g. 1000 year old vampire child) and therefore didn’t violate the rule as they were not minors.

At the time, Fur Affinity was owned by IMVU who had a firm stance against children presented sexually, and the rule was clarified by defining a minor as: “real or fictional humanoids with a childlike body or younger than 18 years old, and any adolescent animals.”


4. Why am I hearing about this now?
While this policy has had several small changes that were announced throughout the years, enforcement was never taken against the Pokémon or Digimon in sexual content that look like children or cubs although they violated the rules. After years of receiving user feedback via trouble tickets, we have decided to end this internal policy on July 1st, 2023.


5. What Pokémon and Digimon cannot be in sexual content without being aged up?
While we cannot present an exhaustive list of thousands of characters, common canonical inclusions would be “baby Pokémon” such as Pichu, Mime Jr., Riolu, and Smoochum, other Pokémon such as Cubchoo, Cubone, Torchic, Ralts, Eevee, and Gothita, and Digmon such as Agumon, Impmon, Gatomon, and Veemon as these characters have childlike proportions or look like adolescent humans or animals.


6. What does aged up mean?
We are not concerned with whether or not a character is emotionally mature, a certain level, or evolved. The physical proportions of the character would need to be altered. It is not enough to change the size of a character. Scaling a character up or down doesn’t change its proportions. Making an adult smaller doesn’t create a child and making a child bigger doesn’t create an adult. If the character has no difference from birth to elder, you will have to draw them non-canon for them to be acceptable in sexual situations.


7. How do you judge proportions?
Generally speaking, as characters age, their proportions change. For humanoid characters, we compare to the proportions of humans and for feral animals we look to their earth counterparts or similar for fictional species.


8. What about the size or size difference between characters?
Since size is not the same as proportions, size and size difference rarely has any weight in decisions we make, whether the character is macro, micro, or several feet in difference apart in relation to each other. Corgi, otters, ponies, and other short creatures, will not be affected based upon stature alone.


9. What about characters without larger reproductive features?
A common misconception is that we will remove content because a character has smaller genitalia or breasts. The size of genitalia and breasts have no impact on our decisions as they may not change with age.


10. What about “shortstack” and “chibi” characters in sexual content?
A shortstack character is one who is short in stature with larger than average features. Shortstack characters generally have adult proportions with short stature and would be allowed.

Chibi depicts short and cute characters with oversized heads. The chibi style is often used in media when characters are acting silly or out of character, and some of these circumstances may not be allowed if they appear too childish; however, in many situations the style of the character has a large head and small adult body and would be okay. Ultimately, body proportions are what we will be looking at when making a decision.


11. How do you make the decision as to what content is allowed?
When content is reported, a staff member will review it based upon the criteria that we have discussed in this journal. If a cut and dry decision cannot be made, it is reviewed by a group of senior staff members for a consensus. If the content is removed and the user does not agree with the decision, it may be disputed through the ticket system, or if the user is suspended, via the email address provided to them and will be reviewed for accuracy and uniformity.


12. I don’t know if my content is allowed.
If you have questions as to whether your content is allowed, please open a Trouble Ticket under “General > Question About Site Policy” with a link to the content in question and we will provide you with an answer.


13. I’m scared that I’m going to be banned from the website.
Although this rule is not new and has been in effect for over 7 years, we understand that there are concerns from users who may not have been familiar with the rule or understand the criteria for removal. Because of this, for 90 days after July 1st, all violations of UP 2.7 will NOT be escalated as severe offenses and will instead be treated as normal rules violations.

We do not have bots on Fur Affinity. Each report, dispute, and appeal is handled by real people. Sometimes, mistakes may happen, but we will work with you to correct any errors made on our part.

Furthermore, we do not support harassment of any kind on Fur Affinity. If someone harasses you, we encourage you to block them. If the harassment is serious or bypasses that block in any way on the website, please report it to us through the ticket system and we will review the situation.


14. I deleted my gallery too hastily!
We are really sorry to hear that and we don’t want to see you go. Please open a trouble ticket on the website under the category “Account Problem” and we will do our best to try and restore your content provided that it was deleted between May 19th and May 22nd. You have until May 26th to open a ticket on this issue.


End of the FAQ

Thank you for your patience and giving us the opportunity to provide clarification. We will continue to monitor all feedback we receive and will provide additional updates as necessary.
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Clarity post from twitter
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AnOminous said:
Not to defend furfag commission artists, but three fucking days? This guy is a freak complaining about that and no wonder the guy decided he was more trouble than he was worth.
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All the same the reaction from the furfag commission artists is disproportionately foaming at the mouth. The commission complainer still comes out on the top to me.
 
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