Opinion If Holocaust deniers don't go to hell, there is no God - Dennis Prager weighs in

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It is a central tenet of moral theology that there are gradations of sin. To argue that G od views stealing a towel from a hotel and raping a child as moral equivalents renders G od a moral fool. And doing that to G od is a sin.
If we mortals perceive the universe of difference between such actions, it goes without question that G od does, too. The idea that we have greater moral clarity than G od is logically and theologically untenable.

In the pantheon of evils, among the worst is Holocaust denial.

Given the murder of 6 million Jews and the unspeakable amount of suffering they and Jewish survivors underwent at the hands of the Nazis, it takes a particularly vile individual to say this never happened. Think of how we would regard anyone who denied thousands of Americans were murdered on 9/11.

Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, along with Gens. George Patton and Omar Bradley, visited Ohrdruf, a Nazi concentration camp, on April 12, 1945, a week after it was liberated.

Eisenhower then cabled to Gen. George Marshall:

"The things I saw beggar description... The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to 'propaganda.'"

A week later Eisenhower again cabled Marshall, asking that members of Congress and journalists be brought to the newly liberated camps so that they could tell Americans the truth about German Nazi atrocities.

Patton wrote in his diary:

"When we began to approach with our troops, the Germans thought it expedient to remove the evidence of their crime. Therefore, they had some of the slaves exhume the bodies and place them on a mammoth griddle composed of 60-centimeter railway tracks laid on brick foundations. They poured pitch on the bodies and then built a fire of pinewood and coal under them. They were not very successful in their operations because there was a pile of human bones, skulls, charred torsos on or under the griddle which must have accounted for many hundreds."

To his great credit, Eisenhower understood that what the Nazis had done to the Jews (and many others, but overwhelmingly to Jews) would be difficult for humanity to comprehend and therefore needed to be documented in writing and in photographs. And, it is important to note, Eisenhower saw only a small concentration camp, not one of the enormous death camps.

Beginning in about 1941, the Nazi regime dedicated itself to murdering every Jew — man, woman, child and baby — in countries it occupied. Eventually, more than six of every 10 Jews in Europe were murdered.

Nazi mobile killing units murdered more than a million Jews, usually family by family, in front of open ditches the Jews were forced to dig. Most died upon being shot; the even less fortunate ended up being buried alive. All witnessed the murder of their loved ones.

Most of the other murdered Jews were shipped in cattle cars to concentration and death camps where they were worked to death, starved to death, tortured to death and most often gassed to death in gas chambers.

There may not be a more documented single event in history than the Holocaust.

Yet, some people, including an American named Nick Fuentes, aggressively deny the Holocaust, asserting that a few hundred thousand Jews, not millions, were killed.

It is important to understand why this is evil.

First, it is a Big Lie. Big Lies inevitably lead to violence and can even destroy civilizations.

If the Holocaust never happened, why would Germany maintain that it did?

Second, Holocaust denial is not only a Big Lie; it is pure Jew-hatred, i.e., antisemitism. The proof that it emanates from antisemitism is that no other 20th-century genocide is denied (with the exception of the Turkish government's denial of the Turks' mass murder of Armenians during World War I). No one denies Stalin's mass murder of tens of millions of Soviet citizens in the Gulag Archipelago or his deliberate starvation of about five million Ukrainians (the Holodomor); or the Cambodian communists' murder of about one in every four Cambodians; or Mao's killing of about 60 million Chinese. The only genocide-denial is the genocide of the Jews.

Third, the denial of this Nazi evil is a slap in the face of all the Americans who died fighting the Nazis. As Eisenhower said on seeing the Nazi atrocities, "We are told that the American soldier does not know what he is fighting for. Now, at least, he will know what he is fighting against." If the Holocaust is a fabrication, Americans died fighting against nothing particularly evil.

As a college student, I dated a woman whose parents were Holocaust survivors. She told me on a number of occasions how often she would hear her father scream in the middle of the night as he dreamed about watching his family be murdered. Unable to live with these memories, one night, her father hanged himself.

That man is one of millions of reasons Fuentes — and those who ally themselves with him — will go to hell. If there is a just G od.
 
Because typing 'God' is a sin. But why isn't G od' you ask? Because apparently God is a fallible idiot and can't discern context in somebody's actions, so if you don't follow His rules to the letter you're going straight to Hell.
This right here is one of the greatest things that peeves me about 'observant/religious' jews. Its the constant rules lawyering of God's commands. When you get a goy to do things for you, a special ultra thin wire to encompass all of a fucking city, time delay/random connection electrial switches, you are not doing the spirit of his commands. These rules exist because you are supposed to be free of distraction on those days and focus on your relationship with God. Trying your way to weasal out of them through rules lawyering is worse to me than just not following the spirit of the law. Just accept that you are being a bad Jew and square it with God when you die. I admit to being a bad Christian because I dont participate in fellowship as much as I should, and I dont fast as much as I should, and I'm married to a pagan. But I have to square that with God when I die. I dont try to justify it with assine reasoning. The Alpha and the Omega sees into your heart.
 
That's pretty bad. You'd think they would be thanking the non-german goyim everyday for saving their ass. Memorials to the soldiers who liberated them, daily prayer, etc.
Literally do that, there's plenty of memorials to the non Jews who helped save Jews. They're called righteous among the nations and are entitled to Israeli citizenship, a pension, and their children are entitled to travel visas in Israel. Regarding prayer, there's a daily prayer for the health and stability of the government.
 
@The Nothingness I support anti-Asian hate, so long as it's protecting Japanese, South Koreans, or Taiwanese. I'll happily take people from Japan, Taiwan, or South Korea over niggers, spics, poo in the loos, or goat fuckers.

Also, I'm pretty sure God stopped caring about Jews right around the time they betrayed and murdered His Son. So the idea that He would send people to Hell because they don't care about, or deny, the Holocaust is pretty laughable.
 
Counterpoint: Jews don't even believe in Hell, so how would one who would deny the 6 gorrillion be going to a place that does not exist? Why would a Christian man go to Christian hell for questioning the numbers culled from the very people who killed Christ?
 
Literally do that, there's plenty of memorials to the non Jews who helped save Jews. They're called righteous among the nations and are entitled to Israeli citizenship, a pension, and their children are entitled to travel visas in Israel. Regarding prayer, there's a daily prayer for the health and stability of the government.

I'm gonna have to take your word for it but I literally never seen any of this. But God knows there are plenty of holocaust memorials.

Additionally for all the "sure they like you" they sure do have a knack for subverting and destroying goyim nations
 
I'm gonna have to take your word for it but I literally never seen any of this. But God knows there are plenty of holocaust memorials.
Righteous among the nations refers to the gentiles which protected Jews from the Holocaust. People like Oskar Schindler. There is a whole program dedicated to honoring them and archiving their sacrifice.

But you are right, I do not recall much attention given to the units that took care of Holocaust survivors after liberating them from the camps. My guess is that it was impersonal in a sense, where the units found the survivors, gave them proper care, and then moved on to continue the fight. Also, considering that the death camps were in Eastern Europe, the Soviets probably did not care as much as the Americans and other Allied forces did when it came to taking care of Holocaust survivors. Priority for them was marching to Berlin and putting Hitler’s head on a pike.
 
or his deliberate starvation of about five million Ukrainians (the Holodomor)
It wasn't deliberate, though, nor unique to only Ukrainians. That's the lie Ukraine has been pushing to keep its victim status in peace time. Review of Soviet documents, released after the collapse of the Soviet Union, reveals that the famine happened because of Stalin's insane agricultural policies, not because he wanted to kill of the Ukrainians 1, 2 (which also would be illogical, considering they were the region where the most crops were produced), and in fact Stalin's government even assisted the starving Ukrainians, though in secret.
 
Is it just me, or have there been quite a few pro-Jew articles in the lamestream media as of late? I guess people like Dave Chappelle and Kanye West voicing their negative views on the Jewish have really got the Heebs upset. How long until they start calling them niggers in these articles?
The optimistic part of me hopes that they're afraid for good reason. The cynical part knows it's because they're neurotic jews.
 
It wasn't deliberate, though, nor unique to only Ukrainians. That's the lie Ukraine has been pushing to keep its victim status in peace time. Review of Soviet documents, released after the collapse of the Soviet Union, reveals that the famine happened because of Stalin's insane agricultural policies, not because he wanted to kill of the Ukrainians 1, 2 (which also would be illogical, considering they were the region where the most crops were produced), and in fact Stalin's government even assisted the starving Ukrainians, though in secret.
Imagine trusting documents written by a regime famous for falsifying documents, doctoring photographs, and destroying evidence.
 
Imagine trusting documents written by a regime famous for falsifying documents, doctoring photographs, and destroying evidence.
They are documents the government of USSR themselves used, not ones they released to the public for propaganda purposes. Ultimately, there is very little evidence that there was an intentional genocide of Ukrainians, and a lot of evidence, from the documents USSR never intended to become public, or from research done by other historians that suggest that it was a mistake on Stalin's part, not a delibarate act, and certainly not one solely limited to the Ukrainian populace.

I don't mean to derail the thread by this post, or the previous one (which was just an interesting mistake I noticed the author made), and so I'll end it here.
 
"Denying historical atrocities is unforgivably evil."
"What do you mean our wicked ancestors killed the Lord in physical form? Never happened. Stop talking about it."
 
Counterpoint: Jews don't even believe in Hell, so how would one who would deny the 6 gorrillion be going to a place that does not exist? Why would a Christian man go to Christian hell for questioning the numbers culled from the very people who killed Christ?
"What do you mean our wicked ancestors killed the Lord in physical form? Never happened. Stop talking about it."
If you're Christian, No crucifixion of Christ=No sacrifice=You'd be damned forever

Also, Romans were the ones who pulled the trigger and even tortured Christ prior to execution, yet I don't hear much hate for Italians despite that...
 
Also, Romans were the ones who pulled the trigger and even tortured Christ prior to execution, yet I don't hear much hate for Italians despite that...
Rome was a vast empire, I see no way of knowing which part of the Roman Empire the Lord's torturers and executioners were from. The Lord suffered humiliation and abuse at the hands of the Jewish and Roman authorities. I understand it to be Rome performed the final extreme torture and the Crucifixion, but Pilate was doing it to please the Jewish authorities.
 
Rome was a vast empire, I see no way of knowing which part of the Roman Empire the Lord's torturers and executioners were from.
But you can identify individual members of a Hebrew mob in one city edged on by some of the Sanhedron?
The Lord suffered humiliation and abuse at the hands of the Jewish and Roman authorities. I understand it to be Rome performed the final extreme torture and the Crucifixion, but Pilate was doing it to please the Jewish authorities.
Pilate did it to save his image and his own neck from a Roman Veto back home. I don't recall any account of the Roman gaolers or Longinus having moral quams about whipping/stabbing Christ either.

The Romans deserve at minimum equal culpability.
 
But you can identify individual members of a Hebrew mob in one city edged on by some of the Sanhedron?

Pilate did it to save his image and his own neck from a Roman Veto back home. I don't recall any account of the Roman gaolers or Longinus having moral quams about whipping/stabbing Christ either.

The Romans deserve at minimum equal culpability.
I may be wrong, but as I understand it Longinus stabbed Christ to give him a quicker death after being on the cross for some time, as it is an agonizing death. Not to be gloried in, sure, but not necessarily to be reviled. I say not to be reviled because as it has been said, Christ's death was nessecary. Italians do not, in general, glorify the torture and death of Christ as a good act in and of itself. There are, however, many Jews that loudly proclaim pleasure in those acts, while denying that Christ is the Messiah. While I have no doubt that many people don't consider this and just label Jews as 'Christ Killers' in their general hatred of them, one can have a more nuanced view of it. Jews do not deserve to be persecuted for their role in his death, but they should be derided and shamed for glorifying in it as an act of torture and execution, rather than a nessecary sacrifice to redeem mankind.
 
Fuck it, what're they gunna do, put me on another list...

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And just for good measure,

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But you can identify individual members of a Hebrew mob in one city edged on by some of the Sanhedron?

Pilate did it to save his image and his own neck from a Roman Veto back home. I don't recall any account of the Roman gaolers or Longinus having moral quams about whipping/stabbing Christ either.

The Romans deserve at minimum equal culpability.
I can read the Gospel accounts. Some are named like the High Priest, most are not named.

I am not in position to judge, but I too suspect Pilate had a political interest in keeping order, to prevent the riot that the Gospel of St Matthew says was forming.
The accounts we have do not indicate the torturers and executioners were anything other than hardened brutalizers, at least up until Christ's death on the Cross.

The culpability is not for me to apportion, I think God alone may know their hearts and will judge them righteously.
 
In what universe does a person who actually believes in God ever utters the phrase: "Then there is no God" in any context?

Even hypothetically it's a bit suspicious of someone to profess to be a christian, to then give God ultimatums like this. Which is what it is, this retard essentially saying "if people who don't immediately believe the 6 gorillion end up in heaven, then God's wrong.", I hope I don't need to explain why that's whack.

Edit: Is prager an orthodox jew? I thought he self-identified as christian for his grift.
 
My favorite thing about deniers is that they assume all Jews are in on the plot like the mice from the hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy and that all those small Jewish villages in the Pale just depopulated out of nowhere. 6 million is widely accepted to be a rough number. Suppose it was 5 million instead of 6, what would that change other than a million people still being alive? The murder infrastructure was still there.
Before I respond, let me explain my Holocaust education. The first jew I met in real life was at the DC holocaust museum. I can think of one other I met in the years before I found myself at the NYC museum. The number that was important then was 11 million. 6 million jews and 5 million other various undesirables. In the years since that education, one number has been drastically adjusted down while the other is a sacred cow.
Suppose it was 5 million instead of 6
Like I said, that's a sacred cow and you better cool it with your antisemitism. What would your rabbi think? What further proof do I need that perhaps this is something jews are unified on than you appearing here kvetching over objective fact? I'm not the one supporting a figure that has demonstrably been a claim that predates WWII by ~70 years. Perhaps if you weren't so dogmatically defending a very specific number that every other aspect of demands adjustment, I would be more than happy to leave it at the infrastructure being there.

The problem as I am sure you full well know is that if the 6M is subjected to the same scrutiny as the 5M others, it would have an adjustment of similar magnitude. This would not only be proven by things like I've already posted. There would be outright fabricated accounts, directly contravened by multitudes of more reliable accounts. Hell, there was a "survivor" who turned out to be a delusional Australian that hadn't even been to Europe in his life. He was quoted in a published book! Yet the 6M must remain 6M.
 
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