- Joined
- Oct 1, 2014
Flat Earth Society
- Thread starter Duke Nukem
- Start date
-
Want to keep track of this thread?
Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
Create account
School of Fish
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 17, 2019
Hell yes!
Friendly_AI
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2018
Something fun from Russian-speaking part of Twitter.
Some mobile app developer, self-described "iOS architect", Exey Panteleev (probably short for Alexey, but that's not important here) decided that a twitter account @mobileunderhood that gives platform to mobile app developers for a short period of time is a great place to sperg about the Flat Earth theory.
His thread gives some of us not well versed in Flat Earth logic to experience this galaxy-brain level brilliance firsthand. I'm not ready to wait for all the 100 points, but here are first 17 of them.
"I've promised to do a thread on Flat Earth in 100 points, can't say for sure what is the shape of our world, but the occult nature of heliocentrics and astropropaganda is obvious. To have a constuctive discussion, we first need to establish difference between logema, logistics and logic, which we will use to classify theses.
"Each of your arguments you should arrange on the following scale to reduce the number of cognitive fallacies. Logic is used by the Congress of the US in questioning Zucker<berg> or a detective. Logic is trying to get to the truth of things, Logistics is cause/consequence, Logema is clipping image"
Image in the twit:
"Stage 3. Logic. Diurn continues to cool down: the Logos epoch is followed by the Logic epoch. There is even less aggression, more cool mind. Man tries to find out how is everything working. He dissects the reality not with a warrior's sword, but with a scientist's scalpel.
Stage 4. Logistics. Diurn is getting even shallower. Logic is turned to Logistics. Abstract knowledge starts to seem too complex and unneeded for people.
Stage 5. Logema. That is it, the last stop. Logistics is shrunk to logema. On this stage once giant and horrifying Diurnic Dissecting Sword becomes a size of pigeon-sized hipster weenie."
"FlatEarth 001 Let's start with the PR and GR space. Leonov, the astronaut #11, the first human in space. Top of the country's administration are not attending his funeral. Illogical. But if we suppose that tops of one clan ignore the tops of the other clan, it is logical. The governments in all countries ignores space.
"FlatEarth 002 The explosion of a Challenger at the start in January 1986. German journalists found out, that all astronauts "killed" in this accident are alive youtu.be/kDZDjR6g9MQ No one goes to the orbit (for a long periods of time), they just sit it out on Earth, and all the videos are filmed in zero-gravity, a pool or on Chroma-key."
"FlatEarth 003 Why are all the astronauts aged 40-50. They are best for keeping secrets of the clan. ISS is flying, but empty. Due to radiation. This is why no living creature can leave our world because of radiation belts."
(the image in this tweet is a monologue of a supposed Boeing-737 pilot who decided to leave the profession due to radiation exposure, not really relevant or funny, but i can update the translation if anyone finds it interesting)
"FlatEarth 004 Why do they need a myth about space exploration? 1st To cover up the fact all rocket technology is military technology. 2nd To create the illusion that the state controls everything in the sky 3rd the motive is harder to understand you can understand it of 400+years of history.
FlatEarth 005 In the middle of 16th century the papal authority recognised how the teaching of Jesus (and the profit and all the others) became powerful and gathered Program Commitee on Faith 2.0 (with a plan to be delivered in several centuries ahead) - The Jesuit Order, whose members started to write books on Moon travels."
"FlatEarth 006 The papal authority's motives were political: to safeguard the European sovereignty, while Scaliger and Petavius were writing the new history of ancient times, the Jesuits were building the post-Christian faith. If you are an atheist, you are a believer 2.0" linking to the article here:
https://www.americamagazine.org/pol...-are-so-many-craters-moon-named-after-jesuits
"FlatEarth 007 Truth loving Charles de Gaulle was miffed regarding any space delegation. De Gaulle's monument is ironically right in front of the hotel "Space". Czech Reflex (who also posted an article on #Geekography) gives his reaction to Gagarin:"
image in the tweet:
"FlatEarth 008 Now to our American brothers, or, to be precise
Gagarin, Virgil Grissom (they are all starting with G), who was sentenced to capital punishment by NASA for 
. Similarly they later taken out slowly succumbing to alcoholism Gagarin (Leonov was in command of the massacre). Yura did not want to get in the damned plane for 4 hours."
"FlatEarth 009 besides Newton who spent his life on alchemy (and was agains many of those things ascribed to him) In the same way the father of American rocket engineering was... Satanist. https://spacemorgue.com/the-last-of-the-magicians Occult, Egiptian gods, orders and fellowships are always accompanying the space."
"FlatEarth 010 been reading space news every day for 20 years(since I've got access to internets). It was interesting why Elon Musk and the SpaceX were not able to built a stable rocket (until he hired people from space agencies) Just because using the physics textbook you can't do it, it's military technology."
"FlatEarth 011 As soon as they understood by ✈ that physics is key to military supremacy, Einstein emerged and physics textbooks. The Reich was supporting Albert's teachings, it was masking the development of ballistic
Fau-2. The public progress in physics stopped a century ago and became a military secret."
"FlatEarth 011 11 and G are the favorite number and letter of astropropagandists. Scien.progress they stopped but boosted IT and med tech There is a strong correlation between development of "Photoshop and 3D" and the quality of space photos, they just need some more courses, learn the texturing.
FlatEarth I now have two 011, that is why this is 013. Most people I see as country bumpkins who are wasting their money in schemes or on fortune tellers due to logemas. You are in the informational myth and you are controlled, you can be farmed. You give xlions $ for painted pictures"
"FlatEarth 014 American military and space programs are siphoning money in trillions. We have already seen Hollywood to restore 13K "lost" films of Apollo 11. And if you now see any photoshopping, they can just say it's a restoration artifact. <image capture: Moon rock from Apollo 11 is a fake>
FlatEarth 015 @elonmusk understands that he is instated to be modern "Ostap Bender". That is why for future generations that can find out the fake of civilian rocket engineering, he said the truth: The chance we are not living in a computer simulation is 'one in billions'
"FlatEarth 016 These images were taken between 3:50 p.m. and 8:45 p.m. EDT on July 16, 2015. In 5 hours the texture of clouds on the planet Earth has not been animated? You can see the small change looking like a difference in exposure or cranking the Contrast slider.
FlatEarth 017 Sirius is right above the center of the North Pole, is known since Sumers (4-6k years ago). If the Solar System is moving through the Universe with a velocity of 368+-2 km/sec in 4k years is a world 46.5 trillion km or 5 light years. Why is Sirius still in place?
https://twitter.com/mobileunderhood/status/1216048110096568321?s=20
https://archive.li/QbCqF - all 100 facts now in this archive.
People in the comments are already facepalming, wishing they knew how to send the author the psychmeds via IP or to have him in the mental ward, wanting to crowdfund the tickets to space, etc.
Looking back to other posts by Exey now. He used this shared twitter account to sperg about biohacking with healthy food (of course, he is a vegetarian, sorry, pescatarian) and hint that he is into trannies.
EDIT:
glorious web-site: exey.ru, archived 4 years ago https://archive.li/29uKU
telegram: http://t.me/exeypan
twitter: https://twitter.com/Exey & archived link https://archive.li/Qsz1V
He is a nude photographer as well, apparently.
UPDATE: he's done, and out with "you don't need to worry about space rocks".
Reaction of English-speaking twitter (sorry, don't have the archive, just the screenshot):
Some mobile app developer, self-described "iOS architect", Exey Panteleev (probably short for Alexey, but that's not important here) decided that a twitter account @mobileunderhood that gives platform to mobile app developers for a short period of time is a great place to sperg about the Flat Earth theory.
His thread gives some of us not well versed in Flat Earth logic to experience this galaxy-brain level brilliance firsthand. I'm not ready to wait for all the 100 points, but here are first 17 of them.
"Each of your arguments you should arrange on the following scale to reduce the number of cognitive fallacies. Logic is used by the Congress of the US in questioning Zucker<berg> or a detective. Logic is trying to get to the truth of things, Logistics is cause/consequence, Logema is clipping image"
Image in the twit:
"Stage 3. Logic. Diurn continues to cool down: the Logos epoch is followed by the Logic epoch. There is even less aggression, more cool mind. Man tries to find out how is everything working. He dissects the reality not with a warrior's sword, but with a scientist's scalpel.
Stage 4. Logistics. Diurn is getting even shallower. Logic is turned to Logistics. Abstract knowledge starts to seem too complex and unneeded for people.
Stage 5. Logema. That is it, the last stop. Logistics is shrunk to logema. On this stage once giant and horrifying Diurnic Dissecting Sword becomes a size of pigeon-sized hipster weenie."
"FlatEarth 002 The explosion of a Challenger at the start in January 1986. German journalists found out, that all astronauts "killed" in this accident are alive youtu.be/kDZDjR6g9MQ No one goes to the orbit (for a long periods of time), they just sit it out on Earth, and all the videos are filmed in zero-gravity, a pool or on Chroma-key."
"FlatEarth 003 Why are all the astronauts aged 40-50. They are best for keeping secrets of the clan. ISS is flying, but empty. Due to radiation. This is why no living creature can leave our world because of radiation belts."
(the image in this tweet is a monologue of a supposed Boeing-737 pilot who decided to leave the profession due to radiation exposure, not really relevant or funny, but i can update the translation if anyone finds it interesting)
"FlatEarth 004 Why do they need a myth about space exploration? 1st To cover up the fact all rocket technology is military technology. 2nd To create the illusion that the state controls everything in the sky 3rd the motive is harder to understand you can understand it of 400+years of history.FlatEarth 005 In the middle of 16th century the papal authority recognised how the teaching of Jesus (and the profit and all the others) became powerful and gathered Program Commitee on Faith 2.0 (with a plan to be delivered in several centuries ahead) - The Jesuit Order, whose members started to write books on Moon travels."
"FlatEarth 006 The papal authority's motives were political: to safeguard the European sovereignty, while Scaliger and Petavius were writing the new history of ancient times, the Jesuits were building the post-Christian faith. If you are an atheist, you are a believer 2.0" linking to the article here:
https://www.americamagazine.org/pol...-are-so-many-craters-moon-named-after-jesuits
"FlatEarth 007 Truth loving Charles de Gaulle was miffed regarding any space delegation. De Gaulle's monument is ironically right in front of the hotel "Space". Czech Reflex (who also posted an article on #Geekography) gives his reaction to Gagarin:"image in the tweet:
"FlatEarth 008 Now to our American brothers, or, to be precise
Gagarin, Virgil Grissom (they are all starting with G), who was sentenced to capital punishment by NASA for . Similarly they later taken out slowly succumbing to alcoholism Gagarin (Leonov was in command of the massacre). Yura did not want to get in the damned plane for 4 hours."
"FlatEarth 009 besides Newton who spent his life on alchemy (and was agains many of those things ascribed to him) In the same way the father of American rocket engineering was... Satanist. https://spacemorgue.com/the-last-of-the-magicians Occult, Egiptian gods, orders and fellowships are always accompanying the space.""FlatEarth 010 been reading space news every day for 20 years(since I've got access to internets). It was interesting why Elon Musk and the SpaceX were not able to built a stable rocket (until he hired people from space agencies) Just because using the physics textbook you can't do it, it's military technology."
"FlatEarth 011 As soon as they understood by ✈ that physics is key to military supremacy, Einstein emerged and physics textbooks. The Reich was supporting Albert's teachings, it was masking the development of ballistic
Fau-2. The public progress in physics stopped a century ago and became a military secret."
"FlatEarth 011 11 and G are the favorite number and letter of astropropagandists. Scien.progress they stopped but boosted IT and med tech There is a strong correlation between development of "Photoshop and 3D" and the quality of space photos, they just need some more courses, learn the texturing.FlatEarth I now have two 011, that is why this is 013. Most people I see as country bumpkins who are wasting their money in schemes or on fortune tellers due to logemas. You are in the informational myth and you are controlled, you can be farmed. You give xlions $ for painted pictures"
"FlatEarth 014 American military and space programs are siphoning money in trillions. We have already seen Hollywood to restore 13K "lost" films of Apollo 11. And if you now see any photoshopping, they can just say it's a restoration artifact. <image capture: Moon rock from Apollo 11 is a fake>FlatEarth 015 @elonmusk understands that he is instated to be modern "Ostap Bender". That is why for future generations that can find out the fake of civilian rocket engineering, he said the truth: The chance we are not living in a computer simulation is 'one in billions'
"FlatEarth 016 These images were taken between 3:50 p.m. and 8:45 p.m. EDT on July 16, 2015. In 5 hours the texture of clouds on the planet Earth has not been animated? You can see the small change looking like a difference in exposure or cranking the Contrast slider.FlatEarth 017 Sirius is right above the center of the North Pole, is known since Sumers (4-6k years ago). If the Solar System is moving through the Universe with a velocity of 368+-2 km/sec in 4k years is a world 46.5 trillion km or 5 light years. Why is Sirius still in place?
https://archive.li/QbCqF - all 100 facts now in this archive.
People in the comments are already facepalming, wishing they knew how to send the author the psychmeds via IP or to have him in the mental ward, wanting to crowdfund the tickets to space, etc.
Looking back to other posts by Exey now. He used this shared twitter account to sperg about biohacking with healthy food (of course, he is a vegetarian, sorry, pescatarian) and hint that he is into trannies.
EDIT:
glorious web-site: exey.ru, archived 4 years ago https://archive.li/29uKU
telegram: http://t.me/exeypan
twitter: https://twitter.com/Exey & archived link https://archive.li/Qsz1V
He is a nude photographer as well, apparently.
UPDATE: he's done, and out with "you don't need to worry about space rocks".
Reaction of English-speaking twitter (sorry, don't have the archive, just the screenshot):
Last edited:
- Joined
- Apr 10, 2019
rip in pepperoni flat earther
www.dailymail.co.uk
these "scientists" claim he's dead, but what proof have we really been shown?
Daredevil 'Mad' Mike Hughes dies at 64 as self-made rocket crash lands
Daredevil 'Mad' Mike Hughes has died after launching himself into the air on a homemade rocket. Footage shows him propelling into the air on Saturday in Barstow, California.
- Joined
- Dec 27, 2017
dang if only he had been a rocket scientistrip in pepperoni flat earther
Daredevil 'Mad' Mike Hughes dies at 64 as self-made rocket crash lands
Daredevil 'Mad' Mike Hughes has died after launching himself into the air on a homemade rocket. Footage shows him propelling into the air on Saturday in Barstow, California.these "scientists" claim he's dead, but what proof have we really been shown?
- Joined
- Feb 25, 2018
Super-duper-woke flat earther Nathan Thompson spots some kids, and gets a hankerin' to do some "flat-smacking" (ie. yelling "SPACE IS FAKE, KIDS!!" while grinning maniacally), til a teacher tells him to fuck off, and drags the kids away from the strange, jabbering man. At this point, Nathan plans how to get unhindered access to the children, because "thats his right", and he" feels a calling" for saying weird shit to strangers' children...
Bonus clips of Thompson and other flat earth spergs getting laughed at and kicked out of places, for being too red-pilled about the Satanic-Freemason agenda. (And/or for being completely rctarded, and obnoxious af)
Bonus clips of Thompson and other flat earth spergs getting laughed at and kicked out of places, for being too red-pilled about the Satanic-Freemason agenda. (And/or for being completely rctarded, and obnoxious af)
- Joined
- Apr 7, 2017
This video series is kinda compelling.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy6EQBAe0M7lsrFjGPbKQhg
I personally hope the earth and galaxy are not flat, but do exist. The videos of NASA and the way the pants and shirts move out as if wires are attached, or the way there are ''bubbles'' in space does make me wonder.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy6EQBAe0M7lsrFjGPbKQhg
I personally hope the earth and galaxy are not flat, but do exist. The videos of NASA and the way the pants and shirts move out as if wires are attached, or the way there are ''bubbles'' in space does make me wonder.
- Joined
- Feb 28, 2019
This is my personal favorite lolcow.
The sheer raw emotion in this made me unduly happy:
"Church is a satanic thing, here."
"Space is fake!!!"
It's hard to describe all my favorite parts. From the years-long dedication to the cause, his feral rants on Westchester, NY workers trying to "wake" them, the fact that his wife still stays with him so he has to contain all of his outlet to driving in the car, to just the fact that he'd almost be normal, but he's not able to get over his obsession, and like troons, has to take it out on the general public just minding their own business.
I forgot about him recently, got worried he might have moved onto zombie apocalypse, the coof, and other shit, but nope. He has a pretty singular focus. Although he totally hates masks, which he rages about being "snorkels," and harasses mask-wearers, because of course he does. https://youtu.be/IRL2ivkdO-A He also occasionally rages about chemtrails, again, because of course he does.
I think in the end, my favorite part is the boomer angle which he holds his camera in order to (sometimes) avoid filming strangers, but also (mainly) to keep all the attention to himself. And because he always has to do it in the car where his wife doesn't have to tell him to shut the fuck up.
Fortunately he films himself in short bite-size fits, so there isn't hours long sloughs like Chris-chan or Tommy Tooter. He does lack the need for adult diapers unlike other lolcow cults, but I consider that in his favor.
I tried to find if anyone else followed him, but found a void, so if I missed a post for him, I apologize. He reminds of Chris-chan for the autistic hyperfocus, and his name is Chris, and his wife is like Barb (ewwwww...), but obviously he has his life together better. Somehow. He's like the Chris that Bob desperately hoped his son would be, but NY instead of VA.
Also hilarious to me, are the dumbfucks who try to tell him he's a dumbfuck, which yeah, happens with all Flat-Earthers, but most of them keep it to their board. Not CC here, Chris! He's desperate to help wake up the sheeple!! I don't know why they think they're anymore special than the others.
I recommend his tilt a whirl explanation for "people crave movement, because we're standing still!"
Also I occasionally get worried that he'll kick his antics up to get in the news beyond "Flat-Earther debates public" which he was back in 2014 (because NYC is fucking weird) but unlike CWC he hasn't gotten terribly criminal, just bothersome. Enjoy!
The sheer raw emotion in this made me unduly happy:
"Church is a satanic thing, here."
"Space is fake!!!"
It's hard to describe all my favorite parts. From the years-long dedication to the cause, his feral rants on Westchester, NY workers trying to "wake" them, the fact that his wife still stays with him so he has to contain all of his outlet to driving in the car, to just the fact that he'd almost be normal, but he's not able to get over his obsession, and like troons, has to take it out on the general public just minding their own business.
I forgot about him recently, got worried he might have moved onto zombie apocalypse, the coof, and other shit, but nope. He has a pretty singular focus. Although he totally hates masks, which he rages about being "snorkels," and harasses mask-wearers, because of course he does. https://youtu.be/IRL2ivkdO-A He also occasionally rages about chemtrails, again, because of course he does.
I think in the end, my favorite part is the boomer angle which he holds his camera in order to (sometimes) avoid filming strangers, but also (mainly) to keep all the attention to himself. And because he always has to do it in the car where his wife doesn't have to tell him to shut the fuck up.
Fortunately he films himself in short bite-size fits, so there isn't hours long sloughs like Chris-chan or Tommy Tooter. He does lack the need for adult diapers unlike other lolcow cults, but I consider that in his favor.
I tried to find if anyone else followed him, but found a void, so if I missed a post for him, I apologize. He reminds of Chris-chan for the autistic hyperfocus, and his name is Chris, and his wife is like Barb (ewwwww...), but obviously he has his life together better. Somehow. He's like the Chris that Bob desperately hoped his son would be, but NY instead of VA.
Also hilarious to me, are the dumbfucks who try to tell him he's a dumbfuck, which yeah, happens with all Flat-Earthers, but most of them keep it to their board. Not CC here, Chris! He's desperate to help wake up the sheeple!! I don't know why they think they're anymore special than the others.
I recommend his tilt a whirl explanation for "people crave movement, because we're standing still!"
Also I occasionally get worried that he'll kick his antics up to get in the news beyond "Flat-Earther debates public" which he was back in 2014 (because NYC is fucking weird) but unlike CWC he hasn't gotten terribly criminal, just bothersome. Enjoy!
IPman
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Oct 8, 2020
Here is the full paper of the experiment.
Final results: FECORE measurements disprove the WGS84 model by proving flat lake surface!
Visit the post for more.
fecore.org
- Joined
- Oct 15, 2018
Here's an insane meltdown from a flat earther. Youtuber MC Toon, who likes trolling flat earthers, made a video calling out a lot of their "leaders" as satanists for following a dude who literally claims to be Satan. Santos, a wannabe cult leader/flat earth micro-eceleb is enraged by the accusation, decides to call MC Toon and hilarity ensues:
Flat earthers deserve a better thread than this, there's some truly hilarious retards
Flat earthers deserve a better thread than this, there's some truly hilarious retards
- Joined
- Jan 4, 2019
Santos is fucking crazy. It was only a matter of time until he chimped out like this.
- Joined
- Aug 1, 2021
The language is just standard Australian ranting. It's only the flat earth shit that is nutty.
Arianne Chan
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Aug 9, 2022
Just a quick meme
- Joined
- Dec 19, 2019
How many of these morons are actually serious about this flat-earth bullshit? I'd swear that most of these people are trolling.
- Joined
- Feb 19, 2021
Sure this guy isn't a A&Her? It's just like talking to them with the "Fuckin Degenerate" and a "Fucking ejaculator" being thrown about at tourette's level.
- Joined
- Jul 5, 2022
I used to watch a few flat earth debunkers back when flat earth was really taking off on youtube a few years back and one of my favorites is Professor Dave Explains, just absolute humiliation on guys like the Globe Busters and David Weiss. I was recently getting around to listening to some of his podcast appearences that he reposted on his channel where he was taking calls from flat earthers, and the most ignorant nigger with the shittiest connection calls in, and it's pretty funny. He has no concept that if you stand on something that moves, stationary things appear to move relative to you. He just keeps shouting "you're busted, you just said the sky 'moves'".
youtu.be
(Timestamp: 46:00)
But the real kicker is when "brenda" calls in (59:16) with the anime avatar. Bear in mind this is after the host said he just wants to hear from flat earthers, because that's pretty funny. Nope, "brenda" has something to add to the conversation. And as soon as I hear "brenda"'s voice, I know it's going to be about transphobes. Less than one minute in: "... they're homophobic, transphobic ..." Boom! I didn't even need to see the 5 o'clock shadow on his Adam's apple to clock him, I knew as soon as it was someone who decided everyone needed to hear their perspective even after they were asked to allow others that space.
Shut the fuck up "brenda", you cringey fucking redditor "debate me" troon, no one gives a shit about your "perspective". At first I was annoyed, I didn't want to listen to troons drone on about dumb, cringe shit, but when I went back to get time stamps. I found the milk.
This fucking tranny just projected his own mental health issues on to flat earthers. "Ya'll, they can't help it, they are all just trans-flats!".
Flat earther is now a gender.
Add it to the flag!
Discussion on MythVision Podcast (Flat Earth Caller Debunked Live!)
Dave appears on the MythVision podcast to discuss the flat earth phenomenon, in particular the recent devastation that was the David Weiss debate. To mix thi...
youtu.be
(Timestamp: 46:00)
But the real kicker is when "brenda" calls in (59:16) with the anime avatar. Bear in mind this is after the host said he just wants to hear from flat earthers, because that's pretty funny. Nope, "brenda" has something to add to the conversation. And as soon as I hear "brenda"'s voice, I know it's going to be about transphobes. Less than one minute in: "... they're homophobic, transphobic ..." Boom! I didn't even need to see the 5 o'clock shadow on his Adam's apple to clock him, I knew as soon as it was someone who decided everyone needed to hear their perspective even after they were asked to allow others that space.
Shut the fuck up "brenda", you cringey fucking redditor "debate me" troon, no one gives a shit about your "perspective". At first I was annoyed, I didn't want to listen to troons drone on about dumb, cringe shit, but when I went back to get time stamps. I found the milk.
This fucking tranny just projected his own mental health issues on to flat earthers. "Ya'll, they can't help it, they are all just trans-flats!".
Flat earther is now a gender.
Add it to the flag!
- Joined
- Oct 15, 2018
Yes, I laughed my ass off when that troon hopped in, instantly recognized they were a troon and not even 5 minutes later they're talking about "transphobia" of flat earthers. Entirely predictable. Get a personality, creep!
rareblacklobster
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Feb 7, 2021
My now ex-friend recently became a flat earther and sent me this eye opening video.
I couldn't get past the first 5 minutes of bullshit.
I couldn't get past the first 5 minutes of bullshit.
Celtiberian
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 11, 2023
The flat earth society is a controlled opposition they believe in ridiculous shit. Eric Dubay and IFERS are the real FE movement thats being hidden basically.