Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[uberzilla]

Oh, it is FAR too late for that, I assure you. Between the scraps of diary entries you find along Area Zero and how characters and all, act once you get into that final part, it’s incredibly tragic and dark for a fucking Pokémon game.

Tangentially, Larry needs some vacation time.

I feel like it's a bit messed up that you can

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catch the legendary that killed his parent. I don't get why it wasn't battled back through the portal instead.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I feel like it's a bit messed up that you can

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catch the legendary that killed his parent. I don't get why it wasn't battled back through the portal instead.

Considering the whole point was to shut down the Time Machine permanently so the world doesn’t get Jurassic World’d, it be a bit hypocritical to turn it back on again just so you can snag a second legendary.

Which you immediately trade for the opposite, because yikes, you’ve got a Pokémon with blood on its hands. Even if the parent went a little “kill the world to bring about the one I want” with the whole time Pokemon stuff.

 

[Nick Gars]

Been breeding GMeowth for a shiny. Swapped out the Meowth for one with better stats, made 30 eggs, then realized I forgot the everstone...

"Well... They might be perfect so I might as well hatch them... Though why do I get the feeling the first one to hatc--..."
The first to hatch is a shiny.

Thanks RNGesus, couldn't wait 31 more eggs, could ya?

 

[uberzilla]

Considering the whole point was to [...]

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No, I mean kick it back through the machine before it shuts off, rather than letting it run off and run into it in Area Zero later.
Given how dark the theme was, I thought it was strange that the Pokemon that sort of kicked off the game(s) and killed Arven's parent is just standing around Area Zero waiting to be caught. You catch a Pokemon that actually killed someone. So strange.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I’ve seen people use Charizard in raids, so I don’t know who was saying you can’t.

 

[Fwiffo]

People on the highly esteemed gaming community known as “redd-it” or something have been saying that performance has improved in specific areas. Apparently framerate stability has improved, and some lake area (I haven’t actually played the game) apparently went from 10-15fps to like 20-25fps. Has anyone here seen anything similar?

 

[Disc]

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Another addition to my collection.

Clodsire is a treasure.

I think there's a few factors in why pokemon hasn't fallen apart yet. A lot of them are similar to Sonic.

1: Doesn't disrespect the original games. If anything, respects specific aspects of them too much. How many times have we had charizard? How many times have we gone back to green hill zone? Then you have Alfornada and the mosaics based on the most classic party sprites...

2: Too different from the main competitors. The Main competitors I would say are Digimon, SMT and Persona, Yo-kai Watch, DQM and it's sequels and Siralim. All six of these are fundamentally different from Pokemon in how you gather creatures, what those creatures are based on, how those creatures relate to each other, the art style, the battle system, etc. It's just too different for someone who likes Pokemon's system that they're gonna scratch that itch through it. Likewise, there's no mainstream series that does what Sonic does, and other high speed games are just too different (like Clustertruck)

3: Those who actually try to closely compete with them often cock it up, whether by choice or by limitation. There's a large stable of games that constantly pop up and try to challenge Pokemon on it's own terms. Temtem, Coromon, Nexomon, all directly trying to compete with Pokemon in Pokemon's own lane. All of them discard some - for lack of a better term - surface-level depth (things like Nexomon drastically reducing the variety of types and nullifying their uneven matchups) or sacrifice quality of life features for one demographic either to appeal to another (like Temtem making breeding fucking asinine and removing ways to easily cap it in service of trying to shove it into an mmo format) or just for the sake of being different (Coromon's terrible Potentiflator system means that, basically, I need to shiny hunt a mon if I want it to be viable in comp). And then, at the same time, they keep choices that don't make sense in their new format just because Pokemon did it. All three of those games have six-mon teams with four moves each, in spite of having a drastically reduced pool of types and various stamina systems added. You'd think that'd lead to less mons with more moveslots in at least one of them. Hell, focused-on-competitive temtem has it's official battle mode requiring a total of 8 temtem, with a pick and ban phase leading to a final team of 4 temtem... and it's still using six in the campaign. Using either 4 or 8 would make tons of sense, so why are they using 6? because Pokemon uses six.

Compare that to Monster Sanctuary and Siralim, two games which also use six monsters to a team. Monster Sanctuary uses 3v3 battles as a default, with a heavy emphasis on teamwork and synergy, so having 6 mons to a team makes for two whole separate setups or one very customisable setup. It also means in their competitive mode, your strategy won't fall apart because the other guy went first and airstruck a core mon off the map. Siralim likewise is 6v6, with again a heavy focus on big powerful synergies. As a result, both games have significantly more passive abilities per mon and varying amounts of moves depending on build. They fundamentally differ from pokemon's format, and the one superficial similarity makes perfect sense with their other design philosophies.

This is all seperate to the moment-to-moment decisions, like "Nexomon's fucking constant eye-rolling fourth-wall lines not only make me want to claw out my own eyes, but they also break the immersion of the apocalyptic world they're trying to build". Or the budgetary ones, which meant people fled from dexit to a game which would, eventually, in about two more years of dev time, peak at about 40% of the monsters of a post-dexit dex.

So these games that are meant to be "Pokemon But Better" are usually at best "Pokemon But Some Mechanics are Different", and are far more commonly "Pokemon But Fundamentally Worse". And the people with the talent and resources to theoretically challenge Pokemon can probably calculate it's just not worth the risk to try.

The only real comparable game in recent years to Sonic is the Freedom Planet series, which does closely emulate the 2d games... but adds on all the characterisation and banter of the 3d ones which is part of what frustrates a huge portion of the fanbase. Literally just one character's story in Freedom Planet 2, including mid-mission discussions, is longer than the whole storyline of Sonic forces. Compare that to Sonic Mania, where they're blissfully silent.

4: Pokemon Fans are spoiled rotten. They act like things like not only preserving the whole dex, but allowing people to transfer their mons across consoles is some kind of industry standard, rather than functionally unique to this series.

5: Massive Fucking Inertia.

Pokemon Showdown. Whole youtube channels dedicated just to one subset of Pokemon topics, or challenge running ONE GAME. Dozens of fangames. Redesigns of Pokemon to match new mechanics for games they're not in.

I could go on but i've been popping in and out on this, plucking away in short bursts all day and it's now 2am

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

At least back when third versions were something you expected at the time, you could generally skip out on playing the original titles and play their more fully realized versions the next year. There's no reason to play Diamond/Pearl when Platinum is so much better, a difference in game quality which has only been exacerbated by the subpar remakes (to that end, I'm really bummed we never got a Pokemon Z).

I think the way SWSH handled DLC actively withheld content from players behind steep paywalls that could have made for interesting postgame content, since the base game is like 20 hours long at most. I simply don't trust Game Freak to do DLC well.

Conversely, third versions always had worse sales than their original versions.

I just hope that a Pokémon Z hack comes one day.

 

[Nick Gars]

I’ve seen people use Charizard in raids, so I don’t know who was saying you can’t.

It must of been a temporary ban on allowing Zard into raids then. I know for a fact that when the event first launched, it wouldn't even let me into the waiting room of a raid if it or it's prevo's we're in my party. That, or there's some kind of weird restriction on what raids you can use it based on the hosts story progress. If the later is the case, they should really put in some kind of indicator so you know if it's a 6* capable post game host or not, kinda like how Monster Hunter has Low/High/G rank.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I'm looking forward for patch hopium in the coming months where every patch people expect the devs to fix code that is better dumped wholesale and started from scratch

 

[Love Machine]

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

they patched the item dupe glitch

 

[Nick Gars]

Since I finally got my shiny charm, I decided to give the sandwich buff method a try...


Am I the only one who thinks it makes it way too easy? The odds are so damn high, you're almost guaranteed 2-3 shinies an hour. It's insane.


Regarding this, for anyone with Scarlet, apparently you can force spawn a shiny Flutter Mane. Eat a Ghost sandwich during the day, search around Research Area 4. Ghosts aren't supposed to spawn during the day, but the shiny FM is coded like shit, so it still does. Under these conditions Shiny FM is the ONLY thing that can spawn in the area.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Since I finally got my shiny charm, I decided to give the sandwich buff method a try...


Am I the only one who thinks it makes it way too easy? The odds are so damn high, you're almost guaranteed 2-3 shinies an hour. It's insane.


Regarding this, for anyone with Scarlet, apparently you can force spawn a shiny Flutter Mane. Eat a Ghost sandwich during the day, search around Research Area 4. Ghosts aren't supposed to spawn during the day, but the shiny FM is coded like shit, so it still does. Under these conditions Shiny FM is the ONLY thing that can spawn in the area.

Huh, I’d heard all the Ancient/Future Pokémon were currently shiny locked.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I really want the ablity to filter raids or outbreaks on the map or see details about the raids when you put a flag down on them. I find the symbols are really timy and them all having different colours does not help. Finding the 7 Star Raid is hard.

Since I finally got my shiny charm, I decided to give the sandwich buff method a try...


Am I the only one who thinks it makes it way too easy? The odds are so damn high, you're almost guaranteed 2-3 shinies an hour. It's insane.

Good. Since you have to complete everything and grind herbs of spending time crafting stuff at that point in the game it probably should be easy. Considering all the work you put in.

I say they should have just added a Shiny Mint honestly and lock in behind 7 Star Raids but only after you complete the Dex and catch a Shiny.

 

[Thiletonomics]

@Disc

Another reason why Pokémon hasn't gotten to the falling apart stage, is because the series doesn't try to put modern-day politics aspects into it, for the most part. Or in the times that they do, it isn't as blatantly in-your-face, compared to other games shoehorning those aspects in. Then again, given that the primary target demographic for the series is children, I don't think that forcing modern-day politics in would work out well with them, compared to how Disney is learning that the hard way. And Blizzard and Wizards of the Coast, despite their games not being targeted for children, are also learning the hard way that people don't like to get politics shoved down their throats.

Also, even if getting the necessary equipment for the older games (console + cartridge) can be a hassle, all of the games for the most part are still playable. Compare that to other games, which have gone the live-service route, leading to things such as features being removed and not being able to be used again (compared to how you still go back to the older Pokémon games), the games having an always-online requirement, and FOMO being shoved more and more down your throat (and even the Pokémon games are guilty of this, with their event giveaways). And with emulation being a thing, it makes it even easier to play the older games, if you still have the itch for them.

The Pokémon themselves, and the human characters, also do a fair-share of carrying the franchise, even if it's for the wrong reasons in certain cases. Iono became an instant hit with the fanbase, after she was revealed, as one recent example.

 

[Focken Kiwi]

Huh, I’d heard all the Ancient/Future Pokémon were currently shiny locked.

Nope. The only Ancient/Future Pokemon that are shiny locked are Koraidon and Miraidon.

On that note, a contact I made in a livestream completed their second collection of Scarlet Paradox mons and we organized a trade. I now have the complete collection of shiny Paradoxes. In fact, here's my entire collection so far:

Since I finally got my shiny charm, I decided to give the sandwich buff method a try...


Am I the only one who thinks it makes it way too easy? The odds are so damn high, you're almost guaranteed 2-3 shinies an hour. It's insane.

Yeah, they're not anywhere near as prestigious as they were in previous games and probably never will be again. On the flip side, training and raising them is so easy now that any shiny you obtain can be made competitively viable which affords the opportunity to show them off more.

I think the real shiny hunts now will be those with marks. Those will still be hard enough, even with sandwiches, especially when hunting for specific marks. At the end of the day, I think I'm fine with the increased rates for shiny Pokemon.

Edit: I think there are two hunts that would be more prestigious actually. Shiny family of three Maushold and shiny three segment Dudunsparce. I think I'll hunt the Dudunsparce.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Fuck you, Psychic Mark, you took my Rusty and Chi from me! (Well, I didn't switch out my Zubat like I should've when she survived a Confusion to beat a Kadabra but had gotten confused.)

Was looking forward to getting a Golbat, too.

RIP Rusty (♂ lvl. 17) and Chi (♀ lvl. 17).

Current team:

Irwin (♂) - lvl. 18 Croconaw
Milly (♀) - lvl. 17 Wooper
Wendy (♀) lvl. 18 Oddish
Odd Egg (about to hatch)
Replacements pending.

EDIT: My egg hatched into a Shiny female Igglybuff. I immediately love my Emily.

 

[Love Machine]

now this one is based

 

[Kari Kamiya]

So what's the Nuzlocke rule about breeding? I ended up catching a Ditto, so not sure if it's cheating or not. Also am planning on getting a Sun Stone so I just need to retake the Bug-Catching Contest again and again until I do, but the only Bug I'm keeping is the Metapod.