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The original queer veterans: This ancient gay army was an elite & unstoppable force​

The Sacred Band of Thebes was ancient Greece’s savage gift to anyone still facing opponents of gays in the military today.

An elite military force, this platoon of egregiously out warriors absolutely mopped the floor with the ballyhooed Spartans – no small feat in the days of gory hand-to-hand combat.

Formed under the hypothesis that only love withstands the horrors of war, the Sacred Band was deliberately comprised of 150 gay or bisexual couples. At this point in history, warfare was an up-close-and-terrifyingly-personal affair. Drone strikes and sniper rifles, tools that put valuable distance between soldiers and their mortal targets, were centuries away. Ancient warriors had to viscerally carve up other men at close range…or worse, be carved.

This was appealing to military states like the famously brutal Spartans, whose social hierarchy was influenced heavily by battlefield body count. But in less warmonger-y cities like Athens (made up of fancy folk and artists) and Thebes (made up of businessmen and farmers), enlisted adults were not stoked by the prospect of becoming – or making – human meat skewers.

Desertion was thus a serious obstacle for many Greek armies, especially in agricultural centers like Thebes, which invested little in cultivating soldiers.

But after the Spartan army started menacing Thebes—which author James Romm details in the book, The Sacred Band—leaders proposed the state finally pour money into training and maintaining an elite fighting force. And they suggested purposely making the force as gay as possible.

The assumption was that an infantry of loving couples was less likely to run away when staring death in the face. To quote Theban leader Pammenes:

“A band that is held together by the friendship between lovers is indissoluble and not to be broken, since lovers are ashamed to play the coward before their beloved, and the beloved before their lovers, and both stand firm in danger to protect each other.”
Most historians agree that the ancient military veteran Gorgidas was initially granted Nick Fury status and a state-funded budget. He then set about recruiting 150 couples based on their athleticism and fighting skills. Recruits were housed together and paid to train in warfare, becoming some of the only full-time professional soldiers in the region.

Members also practiced equestrian training, dance, and poetry because Renaissance men were believed to make better soldiers than brute monsters – a theory the Sacred Band would prove accurate for several decades.

Once trainees were adequately conditioned to join the band, they vowed immortal allegiance to their partner and unit in a formal ceremony at Thebes’ sacred temple.

Now, some breakdowns on the Sacred Band hyper-focus on its couples being comprised of one “masculine” top, and their “beloved” or “eromenos,” a younger and less experienced bottom. Queer sexual dynamics between mentor-lovers and their proteges were not only normalized across classical Greece, but also seen as “important” to military morale.

The Spartans, often heralded as the pinnacle of masculinity by conservatives who don’t study history, even used the erastes-eromenosstructure as part of their famed agoge training program (remember this anytime you see a self-proclaimed “Alpha Male” calling his online fitness program The Agoge). Once a younger eromenos hit full adulthood, they would transition out of their existing relationship and become an erastes.

But “male eros” (sensual love) in Thebes wasn’t limited this way. An army that’s 50% adolescents and 100% couples scheduled to break up within 5-8 years is too unstable to be a wise long-term investment. As such, it’s likely the majority of Sacred Band pairs continued coupling in one way or another for life. Many members had wives and even children in addition to their military partners.

The Sacred Band’s most heralded victory came under the leadership of General Pelopidas in 375 BC, at the Battle of Tegyra. Gravely outnumbered 3 to 1 by Spartans, the Sacred Band aggressively targeted the leaders of their opposition, successfully slaughtering enough to force a Spartan retreat. The victory put Greece on notice and fueled a decades-long rivalry between Sparta and Thebes.

The rivalry only intensified after a separate battle in which the Sacred Band’s marauding beaus murdered both Spartan kings in a single campaign. Brilliant historian Daniele Bolelli details these battles in an episode of Luminary’s “History on Fire” podcast.

In the end, it took an outside mega-force to finally shatter the Sacred Band. Macedonians Philip II and Alexander the Great wiped the unit off the map somewhere around 350 BC. The band fought so hard and so bravely that some had to be buried with weapons still embedded in their bones.

Philosopher Plutarch wrote that Philip was incredibly moved by both their skill and love:

“Philip was surveying the dead, and stopped at the place where the three hundred were lying, all where they had faced the long spears of his phalanx…mingled with one with another, and he was amazed. And on learning that this was the band of lovers and beloved, he burst into tears, saying: Perish miserably anyone who thinks that these men did, or suffered, anything disgraceful.”
It’s possible the Sacred Band was not the only all-gay fighting force, just the one with surviving documentation and a solid press package penned by Plutarch. Regardless, they left an indelible mark on Greece and remain a world-class reminder that love conquers both elite armies and bigoted nonsense.
 
These guys were as badass and unstoppable as the Dahomey Amazons who lost 129 soldiers in a melee with French troops, who lost all of like two or three men in return.
 
I notice the article deliberately skips over the culture of pedastery prevalent in both the Greek and Spartan cultures. That wouldn't be good for the "gay unstoppable army", would it?

Either way, iirc, if there were any, the homosexual relations between Spartans were seen as bonding between soldiers (or in the former case, between pupil and teacher) instead of romantic. Homosexual relationships were largely frowned upon because it did nothing to replenish the ranks of Spartan soldiers.
Sparta was the only one notable for not having a pederastic culture. Women had more legal rights in their society, and men were comfortable with their bodies. In 300, Leonidas calls the Athenians "boy lovers" as an insult. It was routine irl for them to call them that.

Basically, Spartans called everyone else in Greece faggots for going after boys. They disapproved of homosexuality in general, but like anyone else, didn't give a shit if you had a willing partner in private. As long as you're bisexual, you're good.
 
Most historians agree that the ancient military veteran Gorgidas was initially granted Nick Fury status

Watch another movie, nerd.

But in less warmonger-y cities like Athens (made up of fancy folk and artists) and Thebes (made up of businessmen and farmers), enlisted adults were not stoked by the prospect of becoming – or making – human meat skewers.

What the fuck is he talking about, constant warfare for little or no reason was a continual feature of Greek life until Alexander broke the pattern and then the Romans permanently shattered it. They all fought. For fun, for loot, for religious reasons, because someone in power felt insulted. Sometimes for no known reason, but from what we do know, it didn't take much to start a war.

Members also practiced equestrian training, dance, and poetry because Renaissance men were believed to make better soldiers than brute monsters – a theory the Sacred Band would prove accurate for several decades.

So did the 'brutal' Spartans. Seriously, I could go through this article and pick out a dozen statements just as historically illiterate. This fag read some other fag's article or book and doesn't actually know any Greek history or anything about Greek society.
 
Thanks for that, I actually did find it on my own and was about to make an edit. But yeah, Philip is lamenting out of respect because they were a legendary regiment. Not because they were lovers.

Yea respecting a enemy for there prowess and valorous deeds has been a common place feeling since the first battles in pre history you might hate them culturally or politically but good and competent fellow warriors transcends that sort of thought especially when they are laying very vicerially laid bare in-front of you, knowing full well if things where different that very well could have been you.
 
Now, some breakdowns on the Sacred Band hyper-focus on its couples being comprised of one “masculine” top, and their “beloved” or “eromenos,” a younger and less experienced bottom.

They were FUCKING Children. There is absolutely no doubt about that. While I'm fucking progressive for a Chud and I don't give a damn if full grown men decide to play cornhole in their homes I do not need you to justify or glorify homosexuality via the Greeks or Romans.

Oh and the Greeks had lots of differing thoughts, Plato contradicts himself.
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Watch another movie, nerd.



What the fuck is he talking about, constant warfare for little or no reason was a continual feature of Greek life until Alexander broke the pattern and then the Romans permanently shattered it. They all fought. For fun, for loot, for religious reasons, because someone in power felt insulted. Sometimes for no known reason, but from what we do know, it didn't take much to start a war.



So did the 'brutal' Spartans. Seriously, I could go through this article and pick out a dozen statements just as historically illiterate. This fag read some other fag's article or book and doesn't actually know any Greek history or anything about Greek society.
Aside from the big wars where people were actually trying to kill each other I imagine it was mostly slapping shields and spears against each other and there was a nice cookout after the battle.
 
They all fought. For fun, for loot, for religious reasons, because someone in power felt insulted. Sometimes for no known reason, but from what we do know, it didn't take much to start a war.
It was to cull the lower classes while also figuring out which noble sons were actually worthwhile leaders.
 
>outside force
>Macedonia

Does the writer subscribe to the Least Insane WE WUZ Albanian theory that says that Epirots and Macedonians were Illyrians (read: Albanians)?
That's actually pretty accurate. Despite being quite Hellenistic the Macedonians were a very pastoral, horse-driven culture compared to the Greeks, and were never considered true Greeks by their Greek subjects, leading to endless tension and near-constant rebellions. They definitely were an outside force when it comes to Hellas, both culturally and geographically.
 
>outside force
>Macedonia

Does the writer subscribe to the Least Insane WE WUZ Albanian theory that says that Epirots and Macedonians were Illyrians (read: Albanians)?
WE wuz Albanian theory is usually pretty funny but harmless. I remember visiting this castle in Kosovo and some Albanian telling me it was built by Alexander The Great and he was Albanian. The castle was more recent then that and clearly built by a Serbian ruler.
 
That's actually pretty accurate. Despite being quite Hellenistic the Macedonians were a very pastoral, horse-driven culture compared to the Greeks, and were never considered true Greeks by their Greek subjects, leading to endless tension and near-constant rebellions. They definitely were an outside force when it comes to Hellas, both culturally and geographically
From what I understand the Greeks thought of Macedonians as their equivalent of what could be called "yokels". Of course that all changed after Philip and Alexander subdued their precious city states.
 
From what I understand the Greeks thought of Macedonians as their equivalent of what could be called "yokels". Of course that all changed after Philip and Alexander subdued their precious city states.
That, and they had been Persian subjects when Xerxes launched his invasion and got a bunch of their dudes stabbed to death at Platea, so that's also something that wouldn't exactly endear them to Hellas.
 
I notice the article deliberately skips over the culture of pedastery prevalent in both the Greek and Spartan cultures. That wouldn't be good for the "gay unstoppable army", would it?

Either way, iirc, if there were any, the homosexual relations between Spartans were seen as bonding between soldiers (or in the former case, between pupil and teacher) instead of romantic. Homosexual relationships were largely frowned upon because it did nothing to replenish the ranks of Spartan soldiers.

Yep, Spartans were commonly pederasts too although they also made sure to force the men to have children with Spartan women.

Furthermore Sparta was a slave kingdom where the Spartans literally declared war on the helotes (their slaves) every year to preempt slave uprisings.

They had preemptive slave killings EVERY YEAR.

Now, some breakdowns on the Sacred Band hyper-focus on its couples being comprised of one “masculine” top, and their “beloved” or “eromenos,” a younger and less experienced bottom.

They were FUCKING Children. There is absolutely no doubt about that. While I'm fucking progressive for a Chud and I don't give a damn if full grown men decide to play cornhole in their homes I do not need you to justify or glorify homosexuality via the Greeks or Romans.

Oh and the Greeks had lots of differing thoughts, Plato contradicts himself.
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As for the Romans, they viewed being the "bottom" as a homosexual to be utter disgusting and worthy of shame and ridicule. Ex. You became a woman.

Being the "top" was a show of force and power and even then it's not like it was widely celebrated or encouraged.

Also Romans DID NOT LIKE pederasty against Citizen boys and even had a law against it.
 
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WE wuz Albanian theory is usually pretty funny but harmless. I remember visiting this castle in Kosovo and some Albanian telling me it was built by Alexander The Great and he was Albanian. The castle was more recent then that and clearly built by a Serbian ruler.

To be fair a lot of castles and fortification subject have that issue, where the initial fortification was built by X person or people, then was abandoned and then re occupied and fortified because until REALLY recently in history what made a defenscable structure and location was pretty universal, Where I am right now there is a Iron Age Hill Fort, that the Romans then Built On, Then the Anglo Saxons then the Normans etc, etc, and you can find literature saying "The Roman / Iron Age / Anglo Saxon fort at..." in the gift shop.

It's often really interesting visiting old castles especially if they are in ruin or partially ruined and playing work out the age of that part of the building.
 
To be fair a lot of castles and fortification subject have that issue, where the initial fortification was built by X person or people, then was abandoned and then re occupied and fortified because until REALLY recently in history what made a defenscable structure and location was pretty universal, Where I am right now there is a Iron Age Hill Fort, that the Romans then Built On, Then the Anglo Saxons then the Normans etc, etc, and you can find literature saying "The Roman / Iron Age / Anglo Saxon fort at..." in the gift shop.

It's often really interesting visiting old castles especially if they are in ruin or partially ruined and playing work out the age of that part of the building.
Oh I understand that but if you spent time with Albanians, especially from the mountain areas of Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Albania you came across some comical ideas on history from friendly people. Bill Clinton, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln all Albanians and Obama is half Albanian.

If your interested and in the area this is the castle. https://www.google.com/maps/place/4...7f219e9bfe096f4!8m2!3d42.4270894!4d21.5541964


Last time I visited you need to ford a river and climb up steep overgrown hill with some lower town ruins, a few passages in the hillside then the upper castle walls and a few towers. Overgrown with no infrastructure in a rural area.

Or few hours away is my favorite https://www.google.com/maps/search/...=2ahUKEwiF0oCch6z7AhVkCTQIHVo5DisQ8gF6BAgGEAE
Located above the old city of prizern with beutiful bridges and narrow streets. Not overran by foreign tourist and a good cafe culture.
 
They wouldn't have identified themselves as gay or bisexual, so the framing of this is nonsense.
This is it. Ancient armies engaged in homo sex for the same reason you find that in prison. There were no women around. Some say that some of these men rather had sex with each other than with other women because men were worthy of loyalty and friendship, unlike women who were only for procreation. I wouldn't celebrate much this occurrence of homosexuality because it implies other stuff that many progressives wouldn't like to surface.

Basically, Spartans called everyone else in Greece faggots for going after boys. They disapproved of homosexuality in general, but like anyone else, didn't give a shit if you had a willing partner in private. As long as you're bisexual, you're good.
That was the norm in most cultures: be a productive faggot (a good warrior, a good husband, have kids, work hard, kill some enemies) and we can ignore that you take it in the ass. It's only in recent times that gays are demanding us to accept them for being gay and even celebrate them.
 
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