Do you believe clean, drinkable water is a basic human right? - I fucking refuse to pay for water

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I will pay my water bills because I can concede that water as a household utility has most of its costs come with showering, gardening, etc. I can live with that.

But I vehemently refuse to pay for fucking bottled water. Oh what, you’re gonna charge me to drink some microplastic ridden crap just because I’m dying of thirst and forgot a water bottle? Fuck off.

If I need water, I will go to Maccas and ask for a “McWater” and just make sure they give me the free cup of water instead of the bottle. It’s probably worse than the bottled water, but it’s free.
 
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Always a topic I think about and have trouble coming to a conclusion on...

Water is both naturally occurring and absolutely required for life to continue in very short order. Things like Nestle's horrifying stealing of water from places and just selling it back to it's rightful owners at a 20,000% markup makes me lean towards the human right angle... but that could be resolved by some strategic executions. However... moving, collecting and processing water is not a given - time and resources are put into that and you can't just demand it be given to you for free there.

Water is the absolute border of where human rights are defined. I tend to define human rights as not something you deserve to have, but what you cannot have taken from...
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I do believe it should be available to everyone, but the sad state of our world right now leaves a majority of water at least partially polluted unless it's filtered, and getting a cleaner filtration of water gets increasingly expensive with diminishing returns. Not to mention how much of water infrastructure alone is built with shit like lead piping from 100 years ago that leeches into the water making the delivery system itself unsafe. Water cannot be free unless you're willing to work to make it free for yourself, and in most areas that will cost money to get going making it not free. And the state will still want to regulate you even if you manage to live off of filtered rain water or your own well.
 
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Sure, under the systems we have today and the way we have to play along, yes, I do believe everyone should have the right to access and use clean drinking water. You can't exactly walk into the wilderness and find it these days, and if you do you're probably on protected lands. If you're going to lord over me and force me to fall in line then I absolutely require the right to clean, drinkable water. It goes both ways, though, as there is no one to lord over without easy access to basic human necessities.
 
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Always a topic I think about and have trouble coming to a conclusion on...

Water is both naturally occurring and absolutely required for life to continue in very short order. Things like Nestle's horrifying stealing of water from places and just selling it back to it's rightful owners at a 20,000% markup makes me lean towards the human right angle... but that could be resolved by some strategic executions. However... moving, collecting and processing water is not a given - time and resources are put into that and you can't just demand it be given to you for free there.

Water is the absolute border of where human rights are defined. I tend to define human rights as not something you deserve to have, but what you cannot have taken from you - anything that you can do/say that doesn't result in that loss to someone else. Typically, this is not any kind of good or service that falls into this in my opinion. Healthcare would be the cliche example because it is highly specialized and fully man-made... it sucks that this causes prices to be high, and the system could be improved, but the "human rights" argument when put into practice is always worse. Left-wing people should really be using the water instead of healthcare to make people think about that...

Still, while you can die without healthcare, you die REALLY fast without water. The way society has structured in the western world also complicates it... the ready availability of drinking water to just about everyone including the jobless/homeless is probably the best example of any kind of loosely socialistic system in the world, but at the same time you are absolutely required to get water that way because of lack of ways to gather it manually and many places having horrific laws that make even gathering rain water illegal.

For better or worse we are past building our societies solely around rivers, and if water is a human right or not... it's still beyond my reasoning to come to a concrete answer. All I can say is... you're right about bottled water OP, fuck anyone who produces or consumes it.
 
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Ontologically speaking, what is a "basic human right"?

>It’s probably worse than the bottled water
I've never worked at McDonald's but I'm told that they have extensive filtering on their water and McDonald's water on its own is quite pure. This could be a lie of course, and it would naturally depend on the specific McDonald's restaurant you are getting the water from (variance in equipment, maintenance, the... demographics of the employees, etc)
 
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David Brown said:
Ontologically speaking, what is a "basic human right"?

>It’s probably worse than the bottled water
I've never worked at McDonald's but I'm told that they have extensive filtering on their water and McDonald's water on its own is quite pure. This could be a lie of course, and it would naturally depend on the specific McDonald's restaurant you are getting the water from (variance in equipment, maintenance, the... demographics of the employees, etc)
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I’ve heard bad things about the ice they dump into the drinks but I’m too lazy to google it
 
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mister meaner said:
I’ve heard bad things about the ice they dump into the drinks but I’m too lazy to google it
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Don't trust restaurant ice, the ice machines are never cleaned. I always ask for water with no ice. It's already a gamble on the water, I mean how often do you think they dismantle equipment to clean or replace the hoses and shit? I mean come on. I don't even do that at home, you think a place like a restaurant that has more important shit to worry about ever does it without a mandate from the county?
 
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