Opinion There Is No Happy Ending to America’s Trump Problem - If Mr. Trump runs again, he might win. But that’s a risk we can’t avoid — which is why we may well have found ourselves in a situation with no unambivalently good options.

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Debate about the search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence has settled into well-worn grooves. Mr. Trump and many Republicans have denounced the act as illegitimate. Attorney General Merrick Garland is staying mostly mum. And Democrats are struggling to contain their enthusiasm.

Liberal excitement is understandable. Mr. Trump faces potential legal jeopardy from the Jan. 6 investigation in Congress and the Mar-a-Lago search. They anticipate fulfilling a dream going back to the earliest days of the Trump administration: to see him frog-marched to jail before the country and the world.

But this is a fantasy. There is no scenario following from the present that culminates in a happy ending for anyone, even for Democrats.

Down one path is the prosecution of the former president. This would be a Democratic administration putting the previous occupant of the White House, the ostensible head of the Republican Party and the current favorite to be the G.O.P. presidential nominee in 2024, on trial. That would set an incredibly dangerous precedent. Imagine, each time the presidency is handed from one party to the other, an investigation by the new administration’s Justice Department leads toward the investigation and possible indictment of its predecessor.

Some will say that Mr. Trump nonetheless deserves it — and he does. If Mr. Garland does not press charges against him for Jan. 6 or the potential mishandling of classified government documents, Mr. Trump will have learned that becoming president has effectively immunized him from prosecution. That means the country would be facing a potential second term for Mr. Trump in which he is convinced that he can do whatever he wants with complete impunity.

That seems to point to the need to push forward with a case, despite the risk of turning it into a regular occurrence. As many of Mr. Trump’s detractors argue, the rule of law demands it — and failing to fulfill that demand could end up being extremely dangerous.

But we’ve been through a version of the turbulent Trump experience before. During the Trump years, the system passed its stress test. We have reason to think it would do so again, especially with reforms to the Electoral Count Act likely to pass during the lame duck session following the upcoming midterm elections, if not before. Having to combat an emboldened Mr. Trump or another bad actor would certainly be unnerving and risky. But the alternatives would be too.

We caught a glimpse of those alternative risks as soon as the Mar-a-Lago raid was announced. Within hours, leading Republicans had issued inflammatory statements, and these statements would likely grow louder and more incendiary through any trial, both from Mr. Trump himself and from members of his party and its media rabble-rousers. (Though at a federal judge’s order a redacted version of the warrant affidavit may soon be released, so Mr. Trump and the rest of his party would have to contend with the government’s actual justification of the raid itself.)

If the matter culminates in an indictment and trial of Mr. Trump, the Republican argument would be more of what we heard day in and day out through his administration. His defenders would claim that every person ostensibly committed to the dispassionate upholding of the rule of law is in fact motivated by rank partisanship and a drive to self-aggrandizement. This would be directed at the attorney general, the F.B.I., the Justice Department and other branches of the so-called deep state. The spectacle would be corrosive, in effect convincing most Republican voters that appeals to the rule of law are invariably a sham.

But the nightmare wouldn’t stop there. What if Mr. Trump declares another run for the presidency just as he’s indicted and treats the trial as a circus illustrating the power of the Washington swamp and the need to put Republicans back in charge to drain it? It would be a risible claim, but potentially a politically effective one. And he might well continue this campaign even if convicted, possibly running for president from a jail cell. It would be Mr. Trump versus the System. He would be reviving an old American archetype: the folk-hero outlaw who takes on and seeks to take down the powerful in the name of the people.

We wouldn’t even avoid potentially calamitous consequences if Mr. Trump somehow ended up barred from running or his party opted for another candidate to be its nominee in 2024 — say, Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida. How long do you think it would take for a freshly inaugurated President DeSantis to pardon a convicted and jailed Donald Trump? Hours? Minutes? And that move would probably be combined with a promise to investigate and indict Joe Biden for the various “crimes” he allegedly committed in office.

The instinct of Democrats is to angrily dismiss such concerns. But that doesn’t mean these consequences wouldn’t happen. Even if Mr. Garland’s motives and methods are models of judiciousness and restraint, the act of an attorney general of one party seeking to indict and convict a former and possibly future president of the other party is the ringing of a bell that cannot be unrung. It is guaranteed to be undertaken again, regardless of whether present and future accusations are justified.

As we’ve seen over and over again since Mr. Trump won the presidency, our system of governance presumes a certain base level of public spiritedness — at the level of the presidency, in Congress and in the electorate at large. When that is lacking — when an aspersive figure is elected, when he maintains strong popular support within his party and when that party remains electorally viable — high-minded efforts to act as antibodies defending the body politic from the spread of infection can end up doing enduring harm to the patient. Think of all those times during the Trump presidency when well-meaning sources inside and outside the administration ended up undermining their own credibility by hyping threats and overpromising evidence of wrongdoing and criminality.

That’s why it’s imperative we set aside the Plan A of prosecuting Mr. Trump. In its place, we should embrace a Plan B that defers the dream of a post-presidential perp walk in favor of allowing the political process to run its course. If Mr. Trump is the G.O.P. nominee again in 2024, Democrats will have no choice but to defeat him yet again, hopefully by an even larger margin than they did last time.

Mr. Trump himself and his most devoted supporters will be no more likely to accept that outcome than they were after the 2020 election. The bigger the margin of his loss, the harder it will be for Mr. Trump to avoid looking like a loser, which is the outcome he dreads more than anything — and one that would be most likely to loosen his grip on his party.

There is an obvious risk: If Mr. Trump runs again, he might win. But that’s a risk we can’t avoid — which is why we may well have found ourselves in a situation with no unambivalently good options.

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Your side is gonna weep when your shitty tactics are used against you. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap".
The right sure did suddenly weep about surprise police raids after Mar a Largo, agreed. When it happens to us peasants, though, We Love Our Cops, Our Law Enforcement.....
 
We are getting so close to seeing articles openly declaring that "we need to start murdering political rivals to protect democracy" You can almost taste it.
 
I had hope that dems will point someone like Biden in next campaign: a old school politican with military and law background. You know, just a "generic WASP president" like Biden was in 2020.
Biden's mind was melting even in 2020 and he was propping up far left idiocy like wanting to ban fossil fuels.
 
The right sure did suddenly weep about surprise police raids after Mar a Largo, agreed. When it happens to us peasants, though, We Love Our Cops, Our Law Enforcement.....
You do realize that raid was the tipping point for a lot of people on the right that they can't trust any cops?
 
You do realize that raid was the tipping point for a lot of people on the right that they can't trust any cops?
Tipping point my ass. These are the same people who a week before said "You shouldn't have resisted!" if a cop smashes you into the ground for giving him a "dehumanizing look". Especially if you ain't white on top of it.
 
Democracy means we can't allow the people to elect somebody who represents their interests.
And which american president from past 20 years was representing anybodies interests?

Biden is good for killing Russians (so CPC na will not will to go into hard reunification of China or hard unification of Korea) and thats all Yanks can receive from ther presidents.

Internal affairs are going into shit both in USA and EU and this is inevitable due to climat changes (one can belive or can not belive into them, but their are ongoing) and coal-peack and economic cycle.
 
Tipping point my ass. These are the same people who a week before said "You shouldn't have resisted!" if a cop smashes you into the ground for giving him a "dehumanizing look". Especially if you ain't white on top of it.
Only the most boomer cuckservatives are maintaining that willful ignorance now. The Right's just collectively trying to process what to do with that information.
 
Only the most boomer cuckservatives are maintaining that willful ignorance now. The Right's just collectively trying to process what to do with that information.
Even though others were trying to tell them that for ages, but just got told "If you don't wanna be bothered by cops, don't commit crimes, LOL!"

There's a reason "A liberal is a conservative who just got arrested" is a saying.
 
Tipping point my ass. These are the same people who a week before said "You shouldn't have resisted!" if a cop smashes you into the ground for giving him a "dehumanizing look". Especially if you ain't white on top of it.
While both "law enforcement" activities, a rough handling during a traffic stop when you aren't complaint with reasonable requests of an officer is a whole lot different than your home being raided by the FBI claiming you stole nuclear secrets after everyone and his dog has tried for six years to indict you for something on the Federal level and utterly failed to come up with any evidence.....

And I refuse to believe you aren't smart enough to know that deep down inside.
 
While both "law enforcement" activities, a rough handling during a traffic stop when you aren't complaint with reasonable requests of an officer is a whole lot different than your home being raided by the FBI claiming you stole nuclear secrets after everyone and his dog has tried for six years to indict you for something on the Federal level and utterly failed to come up with any evidence.....

And I refuse to believe you aren't smart enough to know that deep down inside.
It's okay to do it to peasants. In fact, if it happens to blacks, it'salways deserved regardless of circumstances since LOLNIGGERS.

Not okay to do it to MY SIDE'S rich white guy. Trump's a good boi who dindunuffin ever.

Either it's okay to break the law or it's not. Which is it?
 
It's okay to do it to peasants. In fact, if it happens to blacks, and always deserved regardless of circumstances.

Not okay to do it to MY SIDE'S rich white guy.

Either it's okay to break the law or it's not. Which is it?
I never said that....

And you know it.

I merely said that whether an officer used excessive force during a traffic stop is apples to whether the FBI is currently engaged in an ongoing political witch hunt oranges.

You really think I think it's okay for rich people to break the law?

This immediate retreat to assumed worst-case motives is why it's so damn hard to have a discussion with anyone over anything these days.
 
I never said that....

And you know it.

I merely said that whether an officer used excessive force during a traffic stop is apples to whether the FBI is currently engaged in an ongoing political witch hunt oranges.
Then will, say, shooting an armed security guard holding a criminal at gunpoint like he was trained to do and then excusing the shooting as valid because LOLNIGGERS! count as oranges then? I can up the ante as needed. If shooting a black man eating ice cream in his own home because you thought you were in YOUR home is valid and excused, then a rich white guy getting raided is too.
 
Then will, say, shooting an armed security guard holding a criminal at gunpoint like he was trained to do and then excusing the shooting as valid because LOLNIGGERS! count as oranges then? I can up the ante as needed. then a rich white guy getting raided is too.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Especially the part about "If shooting a black man eating ice cream in his own home because you thought you were in YOUR home is valid and excused, " - if you're talking about that case in Dallas from 2018 - the cop who did it went to jail as she should have. It wasn't excused.

And I'm not upset at the ability of the FBI to raid you, they had a warrant, it's that the totality of their behaviors over the last few years has convinced me they are not an agency acting in good faith.
 
the cop who did it went to jail as she should have. It wasn't excused.
Not by the legal system, but conservatives and KF consider it a valid shooting because LOLNIGGER. Plus in the words of Fox News's comment section "She was hot too, it's a crime to put her away".

And I'm not upset at the ability of the FBI to raid you, they had a warrant, it's that the totality of their behaviors over the last few years has convinced me they are not an agency acting in good faith.
So why only the last few years and not decades worth?

OH THAT'S RIGHT, the Moviebob principal; "No bad tactics, only bad targets". Trump and conservatives, bad target. Niggers and libtards, good target.

It's a stupid and not at all accurate saying.
How so? Conserv's don't cry about police overreach when one of their own gets in trouble with the law?
 
Even though others were trying to tell them that for ages, but just got told "If you don't wanna be bothered by cops, don't commit crimes, LOL!"

There's a reason "A liberal is a conservative who just got arrested" is a saying.
Yes, and libertarians are conservatives who got their ass kicked by a cop....
 
Not by the legal system, but conservatives and KF consider it a valid shooting because LOLNIGGER. Plus in the words of Fox News's comment section "She was hot too, it's a crime to put her away".
Okay, but I don't think that, and didn't think that back then if you just check this thread for confirmation. I can't control what other people on KF say or what Fox News' comments section says and have never agreed with either, unquestioningly, on anything....
So why only the last few years and not decades worth?
Because it was only in the last few years they went bonkers and started to chase phantom white supremacist terrorists around the internet, declaring them the greatest threat to democracy....

OH THAT'S RIGHT, the Moviebob principal; "No bad tactics, only bad targets". Trump and conservatives, bad target. Niggers and libtards, good target.

No, see above. I've been on a 20 year steady decline on my trust level in ANY federal agency, BTW, not just the FBI. Seeing as how one of their agents gambled away five figures worth of taxpayer funds that were supposed to be used as bait money in a Las Vegas sting operation recently? That trust is going to be hard to win back. Maybe there's something to the latest round of investigations after all? But, I'm not optimistically holding my breath. Not after years of incompetence from the FBI from Richard Jewel on down as well as 6 or so years of "We've got him this time!" vis-a-vis Trump not panning out (and I didn't even vote for him).
 
How so? Conserv's don't cry about police overreach when one of their own gets in trouble with the law?
Wanting fair treatment and hating police overreach does not make one a "liberal" or at least not today's interpretation of one.
 
Wanting fair treatment and hating police overreach does not make one a "liberal" or at least not today's interpretation of one.
Yes it does. I was told to shut up and Love Our Law Enforcement when I used to point out bullshit like the Botham Jean shooting, and also reminded about the Black crime stats whenever the subject came up. Now I'm supposed to Defund The FBI and take up arms against them. How am I supposed to keep up!?
Okay, but I don't think that, and didn't think that back then if you just check this thread for confirmation. I can't control what other people on KF say or what Fox News' comments section says and have never agreed with either, unquestioningly, on anything....
Alright, fair cop, you don't. As right wingers love to say, though, the exception only proves the rule.
Because it was only in the last few years they went bonkers and started to chase phantom white supremacist terrorists around the internet, declaring them the greatest threat to democracy....
The FBI thought Insane Clown Posse fans were legitimate threats to the country, slick. But it's just NOW that you notice they're not perfect tools of justice.
No, see above. I've been on a 20 year steady decline on my trust level in ANY federal agency, BTW, not just the FBI. Seeing as how one of their agents gambled away five figures worth of taxpayer funds that were supposed to be used as bait money in a Las Vegas sting operation recently? That trust is going to be hard to win back. Maybe there's something to the latest round of investigations after all? But, I'm not optimistically holding my breath. Not after years of incompetence from the FBI from Richard Jewel on down as well as 6 or so years of "We've got him this time!" vis-a-vis Trump not panning out (and I didn't even vote for him).
Nuance, that's good. Stay with it. Just wish more did.
 
Lol just lock Trump up, what's the worse that could happen? "OH NO, THEY'RE PEACEFULLY PROTESTING AGAIN, WHATEVER ARE WE GOING TO DOOOO?"
 
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