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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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It was built in Mykolayev, largest ship building place in USSR. It built most of the Soviet fleet since it has a deep warm port and close to very large (at one time largest) steel factories in Mariupol and Krivi Rig.....

Sevastopol is just a base, but it's a shitty location to build ships.

Don't be fooled by the size of the Black Sea. It's very deep and during the winter, storms really suck. It's plastered with shipwrecks. Greeks called it the angry sea.
Now that you mention it, the Russians have been relocating patrolcraft & boats by canal & river (and highway) for a long time as well.

I wonder if the Ukrainians would make a try with drones or rocket artillery, if a new/high-value missileboat (or yacht) started making it's way to/from the Azov or Black Sea.
 
Truth be told, what happens to Russia if or when at this point they lose in Ukraine? I know Putin's days would be numbered but what about the nation itself? Also will the people shilling for Ukraine go back to hating all forms of nationalism because they're parasites who only support it because they need to "Own Da Right?"
 
Truth be told, what happens to Russia if or when at this point they lose in Ukraine? I know Putin's days would be numbered but what about the nation itself? Also will the people shilling for Ukraine go back to hating all forms of nationalism because they're parasites who only support it because they need to "Own Da Right?"
They're fucked. So long as Europe can make it through this winter without caving and sucking Putin's gas pipe, they've lost their wealthiest buyers. The sanctions will stay up, Europe will have the means to buy more gas from elsewhere, and the Russian decline will only increase in speed with the loss of so many irreplaceable men and war machines. The world's "2nd most powerful military" will have been gutted and all their neighbors will be looking into poking the bear to see if its fatally wounded.
 
Truth be told, what happens to Russia if or when at this point they lose in Ukraine? I know Putin's days would be numbered but what about the nation itself? Also will the people shilling for Ukraine go back to hating all forms of nationalism because they're parasites who only support it because they need to "Own Da Right?"
Who knows they might enter the Argentine levels of delusion where "no fool we didn't invade island it was just drunk dictator! BTW gib islands anyway filthy colonists."
 
Zelenskiy has not, threatened the murder of innocent millions and it trying to lead the defence of his country, in face of terrorist attacks with Kalibr rockets all throughout Ukraine, even Lviv.
his country included a stolen city like lemberg?

They're fucked. So long as Europe can make it through this winter without caving and sucking Putin's gas pipe, they've lost their wealthiest buyers. The sanctions will stay up, Europe will have the means to buy more gas from elsewhere,
there is not enough other gas, and for oil, well there is saudi arabia, but their war is way worse than the war in ukraine, even if you beliefe the ukrainian propaganda.
 
Truth be told, what happens to Russia if or when at this point they lose in Ukraine? I know Putin's days would be numbered but what about the nation itself? Also will the people shilling for Ukraine go back to hating all forms of nationalism because they're parasites who only support it because they need to "Own Da Right?"
They might have another civil conflict (unlikely to be a full-blown civil war) but economically they won't really be hit all that hard. The EU has been trying to find every goddamn loophole possible to avoid having to put really hard sanctions on Russia and non-European countries just flat-out don't give a fuck because as it turns out, people REALLY need those Russian resources to keep their industries running. Sanctions will likely be quietly removed within weeks of the war ending if not earlier.
 
Russia is currently on day 142, and despite the vastly more favorable geographical/economic/military/logistical circumstances, they have ground to a halting stalemate in which they are bleeding through their miniscule reserves of modern equipment/trained personel and replacing it with spammed conscripts armed with trash, and should this stalemate still be in effect a month from now, or god forbid Ukraine is able to continue inching back its territory, then russia would have by every meaningful estimate unseated WW2 Italy as the Standard Historical Military Fuckup Reference
Don't forget that Italy only won because Germany did the heavy lifting for them. If not for that, the war could very well have ended in a Greek victory. I'm sure Russia would love to have some help on their side right about now after floundering their way through Luhansk and Kherson just now.

Finally, I'd argue that "these people" tend to be nationalists who don't appreciate globalism and the international aid/defense of Ukraine is very much led by the main globalist figures "these people" have come to hate.

Their agnosticism or even disdain for Ukraine shouldn't be a surprise at all.
Except this cast of vatniks you're talking about isn't motivated by "anti-globalism", they're fullblown russiaboos. Why else are they unironically cheering upon Ukrainians being killed and using terms like khokhol to describe them? Had this been about anti-globalism, there wouldn't be any vitriol about this period.
 
Except this cast of vatniks you're talking about isn't motivated by "anti-globalism", they're fullblown russiaboos. Why else are they unironically cheering upon Ukrainians being killed and using terms like khokhol to describe them? Had this been about anti-globalism, there wouldn't be any vitriol about this period.
I have no idea who you're referring to then.
 
Also will the people shilling for Ukraine go back to hating all forms of nationalism because they're parasites who only support it because they need to "Own Da Right?"
The mindless shills, yes, probably. I'm not on this particular bandwagon for pwnage (I swear, I'm not like the other girls!), but rather because I'm against the powerful using their position to bully their weaker neighbours. I'm not any form of internationalist. Don't assume you know everything about people just because you know one thing about them.
 
Now that you mention it, the Russians have been relocating patrolcraft & boats by canal & river (and highway) for a long time as well.

I wonder if the Ukrainians would make a try with drones or rocket artillery, if a new/high-value missileboat (or yacht) started making it's way to/from the Azov or Black Sea.
Blocking a canal would result in a relatively easy enough win and a Putin strop and the 976776th nuclear threat would follow as per usual.

Ukrainians are a white largely Christian (with the Moslems indigenous Crimean Tatars) countty under assault from hirelings who are of every known and unknown ethnicities, plus the mainly agnostic Russians, who all march under the 'victory banner,' that is the filthy, bloody hammer and sickle. Shills plump for Putin's rainbow army.
 
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there is not enough other gas, and for oil, well there is saudi arabia, but their war is way worse than the war in ukraine, even if you beliefe the ukrainian propaganda.
Gasoline is already falling again and there are plenty other sources for gas. We probably won't completly cut Vatnik gas anyways but just do it like every 1th world major industrial country and don't buy our gas from one single source.
 
his country included a stolen city like lemberg?


there is not enough other gas, and for oil, well there is saudi arabia, but their war is way worse than the war in ukraine, even if you beliefe the ukrainian propaganda.

The loss of cities is an uncle Joe thing. Zelenskiy might be capable of many things but time travel and taking control of WW2 era Soviet commisars is probably beyond him.

The Yemen disaster with mass starvation easily as bad as that earlier and similarly manmade famine in Ethiopia in the eighties, waged incompetently by KSA with the fanciest gear in existence is atrocious, no doubt, but the Houthis have the mullahs of Iran on their side, hence that crime will go on for ages more.

Lol, Its always the same thing with leftists, You spout shit you actually dont believe in order to try to guilt trip your opposition, Its not that disimilar from Leftists trying to make fake appeals to Christians to give gibs to niggers, while pursuing shit like Islam Good Christianity bad and other shit like that, Dont try to use as argument something you dont believe in.
How utterly foolish. Putin is KGB and all modern day degeneracy is rooted in this anti God milieu. You support his rainbow Army of miscegenated bum boys, so you're the Commie.
 
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I’d be more sympathetic to self declared nationalists hating helping Ukraine if they didn’t eat up Russian propaganda so much or start adopting liberal sounding narratives like suggesting we need to be panicking about racist Nazis.

I’ve seen more than a few people who would joke about liking uncle Adolf complaining about Ukrainian Nazis. It’s retarded and makes it look less about them genuinely believing in these principles and more like they’re siding with whatever Russian media tells them. There’s also a false dichotomy set forth with basically arguing being a nationalist means you can’t help other nations.
 
Truth be told, what happens to Russia if or when at this point they lose in Ukraine? I know Putin's days would be numbered but what about the nation itself? Also will the people shilling for Ukraine go back to hating all forms of nationalism because they're parasites who only support it because they need to "Own Da Right?"
I would like to know where retards like you, who assumes that only libtards could support Ukraine, come from.
It must be some sort of American-specific disease, partisan myopia or something. Absolute brainlet takes from you guys.
 
The mindless shills, yes, probably. I'm not on this particular bandwagon for pwnage (I swear, I'm not like the other girls!), but rather because I'm against the powerful using their position to bully their weaker neighbours. I'm not any form of internationalist. Don't assume you know everything about people just because you know one thing about them.

I am too, though if it also lead to the severe crippling of NATO and the EU along with Russia, that'd be the optimal outcome for me. No changes in borders yet thuggish nations and dysfunctional power blocs weakened.
 
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The world curses the aggressor and supports Ukraine. And this support around the world is enormous. Tallinn, like other cities, is wrapped in Ukrainian flags. And on every street you are greeted with the greeting "Glory to Ukraine!".

picture of placard on Twitter of fmr UA Pres Poroshenko

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‼️ The Russian Federation is conducting a special information operation in Germany aimed at discrediting Ukraine and the political leadership of the state.
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❗ The security services of Russia intensified their activities in the countries of Eastern Europe

▪ Agents of the occupier country were tasked with identifying and tracking the routes through which weapons are supplied to Ukraine.
ditto
I am too, though if it also lead to the severe crippling of NATO and the EU along with Russia, that'd be the optimal outcome for me. No changes in borders yet thuggish nations and dysfunctional power blocs weakened.
This war has not crippled NATO, quite the opposite, and nor will it. It suggests the EU isn't that effective, diplomatically speaking, but NATO still has political capital and it's Working As Designed, which is, helping to counter state terrorism and despotism from the east. Up to date NATO systems (HIMARS most famously) are really exposing the bully state and makes its supporters cope, seethe and dilate.
 
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Yeah NATO has gone from "Eh we could probably do without this it's quite a bit of dosh" to "Oh yeah Russia still wants to LARP as the Soviets, that's why NATO was kept around for so long".
 
Yeah NATO has gone from "Eh we could probably do without this it's quite a bit of dosh" to "Oh yeah Russia still wants to LARP as the Soviets, that's why NATO was kept around for so long".
Just like always people will scorn and doubt the need for military until they actually need one
 
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