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History Speaks said:
The porn stuff - the idea that a Jewish plot to undermine white people is a salient factor in the demand for or production of pornography
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Nice goal post moving from demand to production. Of course now you have to lie because Jews are almost solely responsible for production of pornography. This isn't a situation where Jews make up 50% of a field despite being 2% of the population. They are literally 100% of Pornhub executives.
 
Ronnie Leibowitz said:
The Talmud condones sexual intercourse with infants.
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If that is true, that is disgusting. But the practice of cherry picking religious texts and attributing all the anachronisms and barbarisms to every person in a religion is dumb and 2006 fedora tipping new atheist tier.

Public contempt for pedophilia is a product of the Enlightenment, secular thinking, and even early feminism. (In the 19th century feminists lobbied to raise the age of consent from absurdly low levels, like around 12, to 16 in Britain and the United States.)

Again my guess is that secular Jews, including psychologists and feminists, were overrepresented in the 19th century effort to stigmatize pedophilia. If true these Jews deserve a round of applause, and traditional Christian institutions (like the Catholic Church, with its pre-20th century age of consent having been 12) no small measure of contempt.
 
History Speaks said:
The contempt we share for pedophilia is a product of the Enlightenment, secular thinking, and even early feminism. (In the 19th century feminists lobbied to raise the age of consent from absurdly low levels, like around 12, to 16 in Britain and the United States.)

Again my guess is that secular Jews, including psychologists and feminists, were overrepresented in the 19th century effort to stigmatize pedophilia. If true these Jews deserve a round of applause, and traditional Christian institutions (like the Catholic Church, with its pre-20th century age of consent having been 12) no small measure of contempt.
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The age of consent in the United States was never 12. This is a misunderstanding of state laws determining whether a man convicted of raping a girl would be sentenced to a prison term or the death penalty. If a girl was under a certain age the crime was considered more severe and warranted the death penalty. Secular Jews right now are overrepresented in advocating for the idea that actual pre-pubescent children can consent to sex, which has never been entertained in European societies.

Also the fact that you are attempting to conflate monogamous marriage and childbearing with pornography demonstrates that you are either a Jew, or a brain broken coomer. You're one of those sickos who thinks if a 17 year old girl wants to get married and have children, this is horrible patriarchal abuse, but if an 18 year old wants to get sexual abused on camera, that's perfectly okay.
 
Ronnie Leibowitz said:
The age of consent in the United States was never 12. This is a misunderstanding of state laws determining whether a man convicted of raping a girl would be sentenced to a prison term or the death penalty. If a girl was under a certain age the crime was considered more severe and warranted the death penalty. Secular Jews right now are overrepresented in advocating for the idea that actual pre-pubescent children can consent to sex, which has never been entertained in European societies.
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Dude, I am a PhD student in history. I know it is douchey to say this, but I am sorry I know a lot about how the world was in the past. And yes the age of consent was no higher than 12 in America until the late 19th century. The Napoleonic Code - which became the law in numerous countries - also had a similar age of consent. There was a big movement to change this in many western countries the late 19th century, which coincided with the stigmatization of pedophilia. Even wiki discusses it, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform
 
History Speaks said:
Dude, I am a PhD student in history. I know it is douchey to say this, but I am sorry I know a lot about how the world was in the past. And yes the age of consent was no higher than 12 in America until the late 19th century. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform
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And yet you're posting on a website for gossip about trannies and fat people in a thread about a guy that doesn't want to have a jewish mythology debate with you.

100% certified serious guy PhD historian. Peinovich lives forever rent free in your head lmao.
 
Ronnie Leibowitz said:
Cites Wikipedia. Fuck off, kike.
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Have you heard of Edgar Allen Poe? He married a 13 year old in the 19th century, with no legal consequence. Or do you think the Jews make that up too to trick you?

Hate it all you want, but pedo stuff was allowed in traditional Christian society, and it was secular liberal psychologists and feminists (likely with an overrepresentaiton of Jews) who played the leading role in stigmatizing pedophilia and protecting children from the predations of adults.
 
History Speaks said:
Have you heard of Edgar Allen Poe? He married a 13 year old in the 19th century, with no legal consequence. Or do you think the Jews make that up too to trick you?

Hate it all you want, but pedo stuff was allowed in traditional Christian society, and it was secular liberal psychologists and feminists (likely with an overrepresentaiton of Jews) who played the leading role in stigmatizing pedophilia and protecting children from the predations of adults.
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OK. For the sake of discussion, I'll accept all of that.

What does that have to do with the Jewish role in pornography beginning in the 1950s?
 
Ronnie Leibowitz said:
That's exactly what the fuck you're doing with Christians. And I don't even like Christianity.
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I am not, Christians including trad Christians today are against pedophilia, and it would be really unfair to cite 19th century canon law, for example, to suggest otherwise.

What I am saying is that traditional Christian society - meaning Christian society in the past, i.e. pre-enlightenment christian society - did condone pedophilia and child marriage.
 
History Speaks said:
What I am saying is that traditional Christian society - meaning Christian society in the past, i.e. pre-enlightenment christian society - did condone pedophilia and child marriage.
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I am not aware of any ancient societies apart from Jewish ones that condoned marriage to pre-pubescent children. And I still don't know why you are conflating marriage with pornography.

And you ignored my point that in 2022 it's Jews who are attempting to de-stigmatize sexual intercourse with pre-pubescent children.
 
Ronnie Leibowitz said:
OK. For the sake of discussion, I'll accept all of that.

What does that have to do with the Jewish role in pornography beginning in the 1950s?
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I already gave you my take on the origin of pornography. It largely replaced prostitution, which is still a thing but which a much greater percentage of Western men used to partake in, as an easy outlet for male sexual gratification.

I do not think it was a Jewish plot or whatever. Jewish execs in that industry are like gentile execs, I imagine - out to make money. Again, I recognize that to say the folllowing is not an argument - but it is laughable and absurd to suggest that the executives in the porn industry, Jewish or not, are motivated by a desire to demoralize white people.
 
History Speaks said:
I am listening now to the "fashy struggle session" where Mike addresses the Jewish wife thing, and it sounds like they are earnest and serious antisemitic conspiracy theorists and "JQ"ers. So it would appear you guys are distorting the history, and he was not merely an edgy libertarian in late 2016, when he was collaborating with his Jewish wife on The Daily Shoah.

The porn stuff - the idea that a Jewish plot to undermine white people is a salient factor in the demand for or production of pornography - sounds completely ridiculous to normal people. I know that is not an argument, per se, but it is just too ridiculous to entertain. That is why nobody including your mom will listen to you about this stuff.

As for the traditional Christian society you are extolling, I think if you knew a little more about it you would agree that the sexual mores was far more degenerate then than in today's society. As a student in a history of sexuality course, I was shocked to learn about this but - and this relates to another ridiculous claim made against Jews, that they are "behind pedophilia" - what we rightfully condemn as pedophilia today was socially and legally acceptable in medieval and early modern christendom. The papal states for example established the age of consent (not for betrothal, for sex) at 12.

I assume you think that marriage and sex with children is more reprehensible than watching or even producing pornography featuring adults. Well, the former was allowed by the European Christians when the Jews were stuck in ghettos without political power.

Psychologists played an important role in pathologizing pedophilia in the late 19th century. I cannot claim to have looked into this, but I would assume that Jews were overrepresented in this heroic effort to stigmatize pedos, given how overrepresented they were among European psychologists at that time.
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None of this addresses either of the points I made.
 
History Speaks said:
It it is laughable and absurd to suggest that the executives in the porn industry, Jewish or not, are motivated by a desire to demoralize white people.
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In his book XXX-Communicated: A Rebel Without a Shul, Luke Ford wrote about a conversation with Goldstein, in which Ford asked Goldstein why Jews were dramatically overrepresented in the porn industry. He answered, "The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don't believe in authoritarianism. Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture and, as it penetrates to the very heart of the American mainstream (and is no doubt consumed by those very same WASPs), its subversive character becomes more charged"

Just take the fucking L, seriously. Go reflect on your own shitty reasoning and inability to confront your own assumptions before lecturing us.
 
Hungry Wes Borland said:


book XXX-Communicated: A Rebel Without a Shul, Luke Ford wrote about a conversation with Goldstein, in which Ford asked Goldstein why Jews were dramatically overrepresented in the porn industry. He answered, "The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don't believe in authoritarianism. Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture and, as it penetrates to the very heart of the American mainstream (and is no doubt consumed by those very same WASPs), its subversive character becomes more charged
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That sounds like it could have been written by Hugh Hefner, who also was a libertarian who justified his activities through anti-authoritarianism and contempt for religious-right-style censorship of obscenity.

I do not see anything here about an attempt to undermine white people, which is what I am mocking. Obviously the Christian Right is against pornography, or at least was until recently lol.
 
History Speaks said:
That sounds like it could have been written by Hugh Hefner, who also was a libertarian who justified his activities through anti-authoritarianism and contempt for religious-right-style censorship of obscenity.

I do not see anything here about an attempt to undermine white people, which is what I am mocking. Obviously the Christian Right is against pornography, or at least was until recently lol.
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History Speaks said:
That sounds like it could have been written by Hugh Hefner, who also was a libertarian who justified his activities through anti-authoritarianism and contempt for religious-right-style censorship of obscenity.

I do not see anything here about an attempt to undermine white people, which is what I am mocking. Obviously the Christian Right is against pornography, or at least was until recently lol.
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What do you think the W in WASP stands for, you brain-dead coomer?
 
History Speaks said:
That sounds like it could have been written by Hugh Hefner, who also was a libertarian who justified his activities through anti-authoritarianism and contempt for religious-right-style censorship of obscenity.

I do not see anything here about an attempt to undermine white people, which is what I am mocking. Obviously the Christian Right is against pornography, or at least was until recently lol.
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American mainstream=white culture.
Do you know what WASP means?

Two Jews agreeing with the premise that Jews are overrepresented in the pornography industry, saying it is to defame Christ and fuck with white people, and look at how you respond. No wonder they won't debate you.
 
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