Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

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How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%

  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%
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The losses of the militants of the "foreign legion" continue, now in Severodonetsk.

According to Canadian journalist Neil Hauer, the militant groups are being sent for rotation,the militants promise to hold the city.
However, they warn that if this goal is achieved, losses will grow even more.
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Gay_nig_from_outer_space said:
I just checked, out of a

Just checked, the US Ground Forces (Army, National Guard and Marine Corps) have 653 Generals. The Russian army is slightly larger on average at about 1.3 million and has 11,000 generals.
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Sounds like awarding the rank of general for the Russian army is just a participation trophy for being lucky enough to not die with the rest of the horde.
 
White_N said:
The losses of the militants of the "foreign legion" continue, now in Severodonetsk.

According to Canadian journalist Neil Hauer, the militant groups are being sent for rotation,the militants promise to hold the city.
However, they warn that if this goal is achieved, losses will grow even more.
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To the last Ukrainian and foreign volunteer. This does not bode well, as it sets up the strategy of last resort: deployment of US forces.
 
White_N said:
The losses of the militants of the "foreign legion" continue, now in Severodonetsk.

According to Canadian journalist Neil Hauer, the militant groups are being sent for rotation,the militants promise to hold the city.
However, they warn that if this goal is achieved, losses will grow even more.
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40% casualties in 24 hours lol

This is retarded beyond belief. Why would you give up almost complete control of an urban area (most of the UA control remaining in Severodonetsk is in the industrial zone and the Azot plant) so you can be forced to attack in urban combat a superior force who has artillery supremacy? Not to mention the offensives coming in from Vrubivka, Ustynivka and Pryivilia that mean the Russians don't have to, nor do they intend to, push towards Lysychansk hard right now anyways.

No matter what happens from now on, they're almost inevitably going to be completely surrounded again. Who the fuck is making these decisions? Do they unironically believe that fancy NATO weapons are going to make conscripts Ubersoldats once they run out of regular troops, and therefore will never run out of soldiers?
 
potato fan said:
DNR fighters protesting agianst being used as a cannon fodder, also don't want to fight for LNR
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Can you at least post a full video?
Date of post 23 of may. Posted on the same channel i was talking about earlier in this thread. Video was posted right after first Ukrainian pleas to Zelensky.

Soldier: My dear, respected, co-citizens of DPR, we are serviceman of 107th rifle regiment, 4th battalion, 3th, 2nd and 4th company, 204 people. We refuse to go into a slaughterhouse into LPR, completely different republic. A lot of illegal actions were carried out with us. We were mobilized illegally, defying orders. We did not receive medical examination during mobilization. We were lied to many times. And through lies we were tried to be brought onto territory of LPR, where, information is not confirmed, we are already part of some Cossacks, willingly joined the ranks of Armed Forces of LPR and will indefinitely, as Holy Unmercenaries, be dying here. And it is easy to die there. Three month we were fighting to liberate Mariupol. Mariupol is liberated, but we don't want to be a cannon fodder. Again, through lies, they try to take us away from 21st mine in the city of Hanjonkova, where representatives from Pushilin cabinet await us. Where they should listen to our legitimate demands, where we should write, even to military prosecutors, explanatory[letters] and reports about illegal actions and infringements of our military command. Here are our wives, mothers. I hope your support is also with us. We have a prisoner of war who was in captivity for more than two months, he, without medical commission, was left in ranks of armed forces. He has a lot of shrapnel wounds.
Mother: Man was carried out from Azov on the 20th, was in captivity for two month, i am his mother. Was searching for him, he must be located in filtration camp for ours liberated captives. They get special treatment, investigative actions, examinations, fixation of injuries, psychological and physical rehabilitation. He was for 4 [splice cut] dragged around with those guys, threaten to move him into LPR, he will be treated there, they will do all of this there. I am categorically against this! I go around every cabinet, yesterday we had a rally. In military base 08818 came representative, assignee. We all wrote our statements, [there are scary things on battalion commander Kaban](I don't understand what she means by this.), that this arbitrariness continue to exist, about rotation, i am interested... He need to be put into a hospital! Specialists need to work with him and work with him as with liberated captive who was in captivity for two month! I don't know to whom i need to appeal! Pushilin, i was informed about it today, said that he should be put into a hospital. I walk and walk, asking to let me take him. He barely breathes! He is hungry! He is going mad! "Only if somebody give us orders!". Give the order, please! There are so many parents and we will come as many times as we need to! Nobody will throw them away! This will not happen this way! We are already preparing legal documents into Moscow, into Moscow Prosecutors Office, to Putin! In short, they should stop this lawlessness, we don't have anybody to replace those dead souls! Because, not about the dead, not about anybody, nobody was giving us any information! They lied to Putin! They lied to Russia!
Soldier: Allow me to continue. Our mobilization was in violation of the law, without medical examination. More then 70% here are sick and wounded that were commissioned during their service because they are physically unable to continue their service. More then 90% here did not fight in a war at all and did not know what military is. Kalashnikov they saw for the first time [Background: were learning in battle]. But we were thrown on the front line into first ranks. 3 months we lived as, forgive me, homeless with guns. We completed our orders. But they try to throw us again into a slaughter. I don't know why, maybe because nobody told how we were treated, how we were mobilized, how we served, but we will stand until the end. Thank you for your attention.
Russians take some prisoners. They are forced to say "Glory to Russia".

And remember this guy?
Based Boy said:
We got ourselves this situation, but from the world of war crimes.
[Dmitry Evgan]
[UAF serviceman, voluntarily laid down arms]​
Dmitry Evgenevich, 36th marine brigade, city of Nikolaev, right now i am located in Mariupol. Before beginning of the operation was in Pavlopol, after operation started was relocated in Ilich plant. There was a situation. I lost my hand on March 19th, came to hospital, after that hospital was overcrowded, i relocated back to the bunker after 10 days. I was laying in the bunker around 3 days, prisoner was brought[into the bunker], he was put in a room inside the bunker, he was siting here. After that i was laying, wounded, people gave me medical aid. I had a friend from recon unit, Alexey Bogriy, and it so happened, evening, from 9th to 10th, evening, and we sit down, he, i and a guy who had a birthday. I came and said "guys, i feel so fucking bad, my hand hurts, i can't and nalbuphine", the painkillers that were administered to me, "does not help". They drank alcohol, gave me alcohol to drink, it made me feel better. After that Leha, that Leha Bogriy, says to me "we need to end this fucking prisoner", says to me "go", i say "fuck, i can't do that", he says "don't be a pussy", we came to the doors, i say "i can't", and Leha came and stabbed the prisoner with the fucking knife. After that he gave me the knife and left, he needed to be on his position. He left and i lay down, and Roma, my friend, asks me "what happened there?" and i say to him "well, prisoner was killed". He asks "you killed him?" and i say "yes". So that's what's happened. In the morning i woke up, drank some water. He was moved after two days somewhere inside the bunker, i don't even know where. That's the story. How credible do you think DPR prosecutors will find his story?(I guess somebody from marines told on him, so he has to came up with this bullshit.)
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Well, it seems he did not finish the job.

Doctor: Give close attention to received wounds in Ukrainian captivity. Blows to the head, neck and rib cage were made by bayonet.
Commentator: Victor is an serviceman of Armed Forces of DPR. Doctors say that the fact that he is still alive is a miracle.
Doctor: Here are three penetrating multi-shrapnel indented fractures with rupture of the dura mater with the displacement of bone fragments into the cranial cavity.
Commentator: Scars on his head and body were made by Ukrainian serviceman, specifically this subject. Dmitry Evgan, nickname "Said", marine for 36th brigade of Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Dmitry Evgan: Came my comrade, said "Let's fuck prisoner up.". I came, stabbed him six times, and exited from there.
Interviewer: How did you felt when you cut him?
Dmitry Evgan: I can't explain... Body was taken out after... Day, on the next day, on the second day taken out by medics, said he was dead.
Interviewer: Look to your right.
Victor: Remember?
Dmitry Evgan: Remember...
Victor: Yes?
Dmitry Evgan: Yes...
Victor: Well, God is your Judge. Understood?
Dmitry Evgan: Yes...
Interviewer: It is him who you cut?
Dmitry Evgan: Yes... Allow me to ask for your forgiveness, just for myself... Before God, i ask for your forgiveness. Can i?
Victor: I don't need your apology.
Dmitry Evgan: I understand you...
Commentator: Tears will not help. In the future for this sadist tribunal and long prison sentence, it is in a best case. Retribution also awaits those Ukrainian serviceman and Neo-Nazis, who were destroying cities of Donbass.
 
Givi said:
No matter what happens from now on, they're almost inevitably going to be completely surrounded again. Who the fuck is making these decisions? Do they unironically believe that fancy NATO weapons are going to make conscripts Ubersoldats once they run out of regular troops, and therefore will never run out of soldiers?
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The recruitment offices for the Ukranian military has a waiting list and civilians are bribing their way into getting an earlier spot for the meat grinder. And yes, western artillery is absolutely going to destroy the Ruskies.

Quality and Quantity, baby!
 
Givi said:
40% casualties in 24 hours lol

This is retarded beyond belief. Why would you give up almost complete control of an urban area (most of the UA control remaining in Severodonetsk is in the industrial zone and the Azot plant) so you can be forced to attack in urban combat a superior force who has artillery supremacy? Not to mention the offensives coming in from Vrubivka, Ustynivka and Pryivilia that mean the Russians don't have to, nor do they intend to, push towards Lysychansk hard right now anyways.

No matter what happens from now on, they're almost inevitably going to be completely surrounded again. Who the fuck is making these decisions? Do they unironically believe that fancy NATO weapons are going to make conscripts Ubersoldats once they run out of regular troops, and therefore will never run out of soldiers?
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My assumption is that there is a discrepancy between the order from Kiev and the commanders on the ground.

Initially, they retreated to Lisichansk. This was officially announced and said that it was a "brilliant trap" and "an excellent defensive position."
A super successful counteroffensive is now being announced instead.

Either their army is commanded by a person with bipolar disorder, or soldiers receive different and contradictory orders, which is why they suffer.
 
White_N said:
My assumption is that there is a discrepancy between the order from Kiev and the commanders on the ground.

Initially, they retreated to Lisichansk. This was officially announced and said that it was a "brilliant trap" and "an excellent defensive position."
A super successful counteroffensive is now being announced instead.

Either their army is commanded by a person with bipolar disorder, or soldiers receive different and contradictory orders, which is why they suffer.
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It's possible the Ukrainian army is somewhat breaking into factions that don't quite work together.
 
St.Davis said:
It's possible the Ukrainian army is somewhat breaking into factions that don't quite work together.
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Are you implying that pro-western politicians, radical nationalist militia, a reddit battalion, and a slew of conscripted Joes do not form a strong union?

That's haram brother.
 
prolapsed_cranium said:
Intersting analysis from the Austriab Army. Ignore the M777 and Himars parts and you'll see that the West is slowly recognizing the UKR army is fucked.
https://youtu.be/RpC1kXhW2Lw
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With a larger fighting force, better equipment, better training, higher morale, home field advantage, and support from dozens of other nations, the Ukranian forces sure sound fucked to me.

Quality analysis.
 
Simpadoo said:
Interesting how the new war doctrine in the US is trying to decentralize command even more. It’s how the UK beat the US in the big war game at 29 palms a few months ago.
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Decentralizing command is great and all but I question the value of giving too much autonomy to individual NCOs when you're trying to fight a real war and not an insurgency. Nobody's going to desert and join the Taliban or walk into the Registan desert because two of the guys in their unit got injured in a month, but when casualty rates reach 40%, the odds look worse every day and you're under constant artillery bombardment and contact with superiors is spotty at best or straight up non-existent, having someone around higher ranking than a Corporal or Sergeant is key to your men not just deciding "this faggot is a retard and has no real authority over us, let's take our gear and gtfo". Not to mention that your army has to be a lot more coherent fighting against a real threat.

That's not to say having a gorillion generals is ideal either, because it really isn't, but I think there's definitely a good middle ground to hit that can be adjusted with more experience eventually (well, hopefully not). I think the US is already near that middle ground and further decentralization of command may not really yield any relevant fruit unless the US is specifically gearing to exclusively fight counter-insurgencies.
 
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Wy4M said:
Sarah, who masters the art of crying without tears visits a torture chamber...
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Try to watch this without laughing. You can't

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After the war he can start a career in standup comedy.
That is if he doesn't end up as one of Kadyrov's war brides.
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Is that a tranny?
 
Givi said:
Decentralizing command is great and all but I question the value of giving too much autonomy to individual NCOs when you're trying to fight a real war and not an insurgency. Nobody's going to desert and join the Taliban or walk into the Registan desert because two of the guys in their unit got injured in a month, but when casualty rates reach 40%, the odds look worse every day and you're under constant artillery bombardment and contact with superiors is spotty at best or straight up non-existent, having someone around higher ranking than a Corporal or Sergeant is key to your men not just deciding "this faggot is a retard and has no real authority over us, let's take our gear and gtfo". Not to mention that your army has to be a lot more coherent fighting against a real threat.

That's not to say having a gorillion generals is ideal either, because it really isn't, but I think there's definitely a good middle ground to hit that can be adjusted with more experience eventually (well, hopefully not). I think the US is already near that middle ground and further decentralization of command may not really yield any relevant fruit unless the US is specifically gearing to exclusively fight counter-insurgencies.
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It doesn't help that NCO ranks have become a tool for military diversity hires. There was a time not that long ago when a Marine sergeant was capable of taking over a platoon if the officer and SNCO were killed. Now, a ton of E-4s and E-5s are malingering women or minorities with high PFT scores that have no practical fleet experience. I'd love to know the demographic statistics of meritorious promotion boards, but I'd be willing to bet it doesn't skew towards merit. If you're competing against a woman or minority for meritorious promotion, you might as well not even show up.

The military cares as much or more about optics than it does combat readiness, and having a ton of black/female leadership makes for great photo ops. Unfortunately that often doesn't translate to operational efficiency. I can count the competent female NCOs I've met on 1 finger, and she was practically a man anyways. I ended up under a command where the Sergeant Major was a black supremacist, and it became immediately apparent when a lot of experienced white guys were being replaced in their billet by totally inexperienced black guys and gals that had been fast tracked through the ranks. We had a young black E-3 that checked into our unit that ended up picking up sergeant within his first year in the fleet. That's practically impossible in the Marines. He never had the benefit of climbing the ranks naturally and was thrust into a position of leadership he wasn't close to being prepared for. Imagine your only experience is basic training and being put in charge of guys on their 2nd enlistment and 4th combat deployment. One day he walked into the SgtMaj's office, dropped a line of cocaine on his desk, and sniffed it up. The stress of being put into a situation he didn't have the experience to handle made him hit the wall, and he felt like his only option was to get out. We never saw him again, but had he stuck around he would have has an extremely successful career. They denied him the ability to learn the ropes and probably ruined his life over it, all because they wanted to create an image of diversity in leadership and had to abandon merit to achieve that.
 
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