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It's size, America's game market in comparison is around 40 billion in total. They have a much larger user base when it comes to consoles.

India and China have the most potential to be even bigger, but it's not there yet.
You should probably avoid using the word size, at least in this thread, due to it making it sound like how many units are sold, ect. Probably better to go with something like "the industry generated 5 billion in whatever year".

Well, hey, if the logic is that console games sell terribly in Japan so it was right for Sony to shutter their Japanese studios, then the death of physical media is also good. After all, the majority of people who play video games buy them digitally.
I wouldn't be surprised this gen of consoles is the last to have physical media outside maybe Nintendo.
 
I wouldn't be surprised this gen of consoles is the last to have physical media outside maybe Nintendo.
And it sucks, but you can't reasonably hold the opinions that "Sony is great because they're the last bastion defending physical media now that most people are buying digital" and "Sony was right to stop focusing on Japan and Japanese studios because no one cares about consoles in Japan anymore" concurrently.

Unless you're a Sony fanboy, that is.
 
I wouldn't be surprised this gen of consoles is the last to have physical media outside maybe Nintendo.
Physical media is unlikely to ever be gone. There's a good number of smaller runs of physical copies for the PS5 for niche games.

And it sucks, but you can't reasonably hold the opinions that "Sony is great because they're the last bastion defending physical media now that most people are buying digital" and "Sony was right to stop focusing on Japan and Japanese studios because no one cares about consoles in Japan anymore" concurrently.

Unless you're a Sony fanboy, that is.
The Japanese game market isn't particularly healthy at the moment. Mobile is growing by leaps and bounds but consoles are not. Lots of people feel that stagnation has set in over there. The competition is coming from outside Japan with China making moves to establish itself in the interior.
 
Well, hey, if the logic is that console games sell terribly in Japan so it was right for Sony to shutter their Japanese studios, then the death of physical media is also good. After all, the majority of people who play video games buy them digitally.
Please for the love of all that is holy no. I still treasure physical copies. I even bought a blu-ray reader for fucks sake.
 
Not really, Japan's game market is dominated by mobile which make up 75% of the market, you're talking anywhere around 5-8 billion in total for consoles which would put it around france or germany when it comes to console sales. Sony kept their Mobile studios that were associated with Japan Studio. Those were not closed because they were making money.

Fuck elden ring made 11 million sales outside of Japan. The Japanese sales were not the driving force just like how most JRPGs sell in western countries.

You keep pushing this nationalism bit that japan will suddenly wipe out/banish the Liberals/SJWs from all media. But it's not going to happen, that whole scenario is a fantasy because it ignores the larger picture. The only loyalty these companies have is to money, they will adhere to anyone who pays them with exclusivity deals.

If you want a direct comparison the PS3 wasn't even at 10 million units sold globally at this point. Sony was in panic mode back then. They're not in panic mode right now because the playstation isn't in any trouble. It's the corner stone of the One Sony Policy and if shit was fucked it would be all hands on deck.
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We are not talking about mobile motherfucker, we are talking about consoles. Mobile and consoles are two different markets. Mobile has nothing to do with the Nintendo Switch patently outselling the PS5 in its home country hand over fist. The PS5 is selling like shit in Japan by every metric: in comparison to its actual competition, in comparison to its predecessors, in comparison to other consumer electronics, etc. PS5 is selling like shit. The Switch shows it didn't have to be that way.
 
We are not talking about mobile motherfucker, we are talking about consoles. Mobile and consoles are two different markets. Mobile has nothing to do with the Nintendo Switch patently outselling the PS5 in its home country hand over fist. The PS5 is selling like shit in Japan by every metric: in comparison to its actual competition, in comparison to its predecessors, in comparison to other consumer electronics, etc. PS5 is selling like shit. The Switch shows it didn't have to be that way.
Japan has been buying 8% of all global Playstation sales since 2013/2014. The Japanese sales still hit that mark with the system selling over 17 million pieces of hardware globally and Japan buying 1 million+. That still breaks down to the average they've been doing for 9 years.

Mind you the PS3 did 4 million units sold within it's first year globally. That's why everything was a disaster. It seems very unlikely at this point that the PS5 will ever reach the lows than the ps3 had. Global sales are the be all end all with determining on if a console is a failure.
 
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Japan has been buying 8% of all global Playstation sales since 2013. The Japanese sales still hit that mark with the system selling over 17 million pieces of hardware globally and Japan buying 1 million+. That still breaks down to the average they've been doing for 9 years.
The only thing that proves is that the PS5 is selling like shit globally, not just in Japan.

Mind you the PS3 did 4 million units sold within it's first year globally. That's why everything was a disaster. It seems very unlikely at this point that the PS5 will ever reach the lows than the ps3 had.
The PS3 isn't exactly the highest bar to clear.
 
The only thing that proves is that the PS5 is selling like shit globally, not just in Japan.


The PS3 isn't exactly the highest bar to clear.
PS3 is the lowest bar Sony's had for a console. I mean now it's gained a form of reverence, but it was years after the console stopped having new games made for it.

In general across the board console sales are down and all 3 consoles are also unable to meet the high marks of their predecessors. But that's been due to hardware manufacturing and things outside the control of the companies. Like the Switch will never meet the high mark the DS had in total number of units sold at 5 years the DS had way more units out there.
 
Please for the love of all that is holy no. I still treasure physical copies. I even bought a blu-ray reader for fucks sake.
I think it's fine. There's markets for fucking vinyl and tapes of all things. As long as people buy physical games then physical games will be produced. Hopefully the closures of online stores has woken some people up to not being "own nothing and like it" cucks.
 
In general across the board console sales are down and all 3 consoles are also unable to meet the high marks of their predecessors.
LOL NO. The Switch is outselling every previous Nintendo console to date. Even the Wii. Being the best selling Nintendo console, no, game console, is a realistic goal for it.

Like the Switch will never meet the high mark the DS had in total number of units sold at 5 years the DS had way more units out there.
The Switch has already passed every other Nintendo console in sales. Its only 51 million unit sales away from surpassing the DS, quite doable.
 
That might have to do with the switch being a garbage piece of crap that breaks constantly though. Switch peripherals and software sales are still up, way up compared to whatever sony is currently trying (desperately) to manufacture as the next big thing.
 
A console is just a machine you buy to get to games.

Granted, I am too old to be the target market for games, but I have noticed nearly every single interesting console game is also on PC these days. Why even bother? It's not like the PS2 days when there was this giant pile of console-only games. Increasingly, the console model is just "simple PC."

PS3 was shit for the first year, but had pulled out of the tailspin by the third year.

The fact that we can say "only 51 million unit sales" illustrates how insanely successful the DS was. Never did finish the second Advanced Wars on it.
 
Doesn't the Switch have it beat? Of course, you have to account for the pandemic as well.
Any past Playstation console have shown a lot more performance in game sales than what the PS5 achieved within the same timeframe, not just the Switch.
And the pandemic is a petty excuse considering the sales of videogames exploded everywhere including Japan

Bear in mind that Japanese console game sales are still primarily axed around physicals, digital only does make up of a small percentage in comparison (around 15% of retail sales as a general rule). Therefore the game charts are only counting estimated physical sales from across the country btw

Japanese PS5 game sales (2020-2022 / 18 months into the market) (as of 4/10/22) (Source: Famitsu)
Elden Ring (From Software - 02/25/22) - 126,127
Gran Turismo 7 (SIE - 03/04/22) - 93,476
Resident Evil Village (Capcom - 05/08/21) - 74,644
Marvel's Spiderman: Miles Morales (SIE - 11/12/20) - 66,238
Tales of Arise (Bandai Namco - 09/09/21) - 65,292

Demon Souls (SIE - 11/12/20) - 51,796
Horizon Forbidden West (SIE - 02/18/22) - 51,023
Lost Judgement (Sega - 09/24/21) - 42,743
Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade (Square-Enix - 06/10/21) - 34,012
Judgement (Sega - 04/22/21) - 26,292
Back 4 Blood (Warner Bros Games - 10/12/21) - 25,173
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Taiuba The Hinokami Chronicles (Aniplex - 10/14/21) - 24,727
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart (SIE - 06/11/21) - 24,385
Battlefield 2042 (Electronic Arts - 11/19/21) - 23,832
Stranger of Paradise:; Final Fantasy Origin (Square-Enix - 03/18/22) - 21,076
Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut (SIE - 08/20/21) - 19,309
Far Cry 6 (Ubisoft - 10/07/21) - 16,686
Scarlet Nexus (Bandai Namco - 06/24/21) - 16,664
Dying Light 2: Stay Human (Spike Chunsoft - 02/04/22) - 15,038
Returnal (SIE - 04/30/21) - 14,749
Ghostwire: Tokyo (Bethesdsa Softworks - 03/25/22) - 12,131
Yakuza Like a Dragon (Sega - 03/02/21) - 8,420
Dynasty Warriors 9 Empires (Koei-Tecmo - 12/23/21) - 7,529
FIFA 2022 (Electronic Arts - 10/01/21) - 6,984
Utawarerumono ZAN 2 (Aquaplus - 07/22/21) - 4,081
Hitman III (H2 Interactive - 08/26/21) - 3,980
Guilty Gear Strive (Arc Systems Works - 06/11/21) - 3,547
Deathloop (Bethesdsa Softworks - 09/14/21) - 3,158
Tiny Tina Wonderlands (2K - 03/25/22) - 2,835
Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves (SIE - 01/28/22) - 2,730
Relayer (Kadokawa Games - 03/24/22) - 2,684
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Extraction (Ubisoft - 01/20/22) - 2,651
Outriders (Square-Enix - 04/01/21) - 2,431
The King of Fighters XV (02/17/22) - 2,412
Babylon's Fall (Square-Enix - 03/03/22) - 2,224
Aliens: Fireteam Elite (3goo - 09/16/21) - 2,077
Estimated total amount of PS5 game units sold (in 18 months): 903,156
And yes that's every PS5 title that charted at least once since the console's release.

Now let's twist the knife with the PS4, a home console released in February 2014, on a (nearly) similar timeframe
Japanese PS4 game sales (2014-2015 / 20 months in the market) (Source: Media Create) (Neogaf link 1 & 2)
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain # <ADV> (Konami) {2015.09.02} (¥8.400) - 432.629
Knack # <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2014.02.22} (¥5.145) - 404.707
Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woe and the Blight Below # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.02.26} (¥7.800) - 348.277
Call of Duty: Black Ops III # <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.11.06} (¥7.900) - 266.459
Bloodborne # <RPG> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.03.26} (¥6.900) - 217.720

Grand Theft Auto V # <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2014.12.11} (¥7.992) - 205.651
Star Wars: Battlefront # <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2015.11.19} (¥7.800) - 192.475
Fallout 4 # <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) {2015.12.17} (¥7.980) - 178.420
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt <RPG> (Spike Chunsoft) {2015.05.21} (¥8.200) - 165.771
Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes <ADV> (Konami) {2014.03.20} (¥2.980) - 158.189
Yakuza: Ishin! <ADV> (Sega) {2014.02.22} (¥8.600) - 139.851
Final Fantasy Type-0 HD # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2015.03.19} (¥6.800) - 135.749
Yakuza 0 <ADV> (Sega) {2015.03.12} (¥8.190) - 132.148
Destiny # <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2014.09.11} (¥8.532) - 132.165
Battlefield 4 <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2014.02.22} (¥7.665) - 127.582
Battlefield: Hardline # <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2015.03.19} (¥7.300) - 116.861
Watch Dogs <ADV> (Ubisoft) {2014.06.26} (¥9.072) - 99.232
Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami) {2015.10.01} (¥7.600) - 92.231
FIFA 14 # <SPT> (Electronic Arts) {2014.02.22} (¥7.665) - 87.788
Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 96.021
Dragon Ball: Xenoverse <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.02.05} (¥7.120) - 84.261
Earth Defense Force 4.1: The Shadow of New Despair <ACT> (D3Publisher) {2015.04.02} (¥6.980) - 81.563
One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2015.03.26} (¥7.800) - 80.266
Batman: Arkham Knight # <ADV> (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2015.07.16} (¥7.600) - 79.735
Resident Evil: Revelations 2 # <ADV> (Capcom) {2015.03.19} (¥4.990) - 74.706
Estimated total amount of the PS4 game units sold (in 20 months and for only the Top 25 of them) : 4.130.457
I don't need to list every single PS4 title because the comparison is clear to convey the point enough. The count has certainly reached around the 5 or 6 million of retail titles sold otherwise.

And when taking account of hardware unit sales, the attach rate of the PS5 is really atrocious (and never seen before in a Playstation or Nintendo system) which aggravates its situation in Japan. Basically, there are more PS5 console units sold than there are PS5 games sold-through, while it should always be the contrary in order for a console system to be considered "healthy" in a market
PS4 hardware sales (in December 2015) - 2.301.077
PS5 hardware sales (as of 4/10/22) - 1.310.651

People should take account of other pieces of info, when trying to understand how the (japanese) console game market will shift in the future. Hardware sale numbers alone aren't just good enough to bet if your weeb games are going to be present primarily on a specific platform or another.
 
LOL NO. The Switch is outselling every previous Nintendo console to date. Even the Wii. Being the best selling Nintendo console, no, game console, is a realistic goal for it.
No it's not, the Switch can't reach the Original DS numbers given it's current trajectory. And This years sales were down from last years..
 
The Nintendo Switch will outsell the Nintendo DS. I guarantee it.
It would need to sell close to 50 million units within the next year to match the DS's trajectory. Nintendo isn't producing that much for the next two quarters they had to scale back.
 
It would need to sell close to 50 million units within the next year to match the DS's trajectory. Nintendo isn't producing that much for the next two quarters they had to scale back.
There won't be a Switch successor for at least a couple more years, so it'll easily sell another 50 million. There is no competition, and investors are probably happy with NSO + Expansion Pack, so even with it being in its 6th year, it'll keep kicking around for a while.
 
rest in piss you faggot garbage brand of video game machines where at least one of every playstation falls apart before they become obsolete in different ways, all making me have to buy two minimum over their lifespan
 
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