What religion is the most harmful?

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Which one?

  • Catholicism

    Votes: 9 3.2%
  • Protestantism

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • Judaism

    Votes: 27 9.6%
  • Islam

    Votes: 117 41.5%
  • Atheism / Science worship

    Votes: 84 29.8%
  • Agnosticism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Buddhism

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Hinduism

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Scientology

    Votes: 7 2.5%
  • Satanism

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Paganism / Wicca

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Quiverfull cult

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Mormonism

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Other (comment below)

    Votes: 19 6.7%

  • Total voters
    282
The key word in my statement was "inherently".
Exactly why I said what I said.
Islam, say, is inherently a cult that prohibits questioning and encourages lying and murder. Any farse orderly benefit Islam provides isn't inherent to it, but its roots withit Christianity and Judaism and even more so in the common sense of the average Muslim who benefits knowing less about his religioun than being radicalized by knowing too much.
There are obviously some religions which are generally a lot worse than others, but within these religions, there is invariably a great degree of diversity with respect to how a particular adherent chooses to practice their religion, which suggests that it is possible to isolate the problems I identified from the religious identity itself.
You can say that about any doctrine. This is not exclusive to religion.
For example, I've been getting into Egyptology recently. From what I hear and read, there are huge differences in theories and opinions between the experts of the field, some with more radical views, other less, but the core scholarship still works as it should, as in, you put out a theory and build it up from either adversity or study of your colleagues. If your theory sucks or is retarded, it will be discarded as such by the community itself.
In Islam, you either blindly believe what your gang leader says, or you die. And although that same brutal method can be applicable to other structures, you can even say religious ones more than any others, Islam is the sole one that encourages radicalization more than any other structure would.
Admittedly, there are specific circumstances where this might be very difficult. I can't imagine it would be very easy to encourage Jews to abandon circumcision, for example.
Circumstances be damned.
The entire muslim world is a living hellhole, either from being impoverished or born as a woman, to being so fucking rich that you can hire blonde Euopean girls to come to your mansion and shit on your teenage son so that he become a man or some shit. Islam by any way you look at it is a farse that feeds on itself.
Jews, with all the issues they have, are nowhere near as fucked up as muslims. I'm not even talking about how far better the Christian world is in.
 
As a scientist, I gotta say scientism. Hell, becoming a scientist has made me more drawn to Christianity, I expect to find god at the bottom of my Erlenmeyer flask any day now.
 
I'm voting other, because, I'm going with a very specific sect of Islam, Wahhabism. These are the types of motherfuckers who say "anything fun is against Allah's will so don't do anything that causes you joy". Most normie Muslims in the West (second-gen or later) are okay but it's the first gen Wahhabis that are the problem.
 
I'm voting other, because, I'm going with a very specific sect of Islam, Wahhabism. These are the types of motherfuckers who say "anything fun is against Allah's will so don't do anything that causes you joy". Most normie Muslims in the West (second-gen or later) are okay but it's the first gen Wahhabis that are the problem.
this, kharijites are the niggers who try to cause the chaos

in terms of health, i'd nominate hinduism as the people who practice it are usually pajeets who will do anything for le holy cow, even drinking their piss and shit
 
Recently, I've been considering Buddhism to be worse than I thought. The premise is just dumb and really copey.
Examples: The hypocritical desire for having zero desire (Buddhists keep beating around the bush on that one,) and the utterly insulting lack of pride in it's follower that stems for the core tenets of the religion.
If a school of thought makes the follower's overall outlook on life worse, than I'll argue that it has failed as a school of thought entirely.
 
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Those results are surprising since this was posted in the Thunderdome. I expected atleast a 15% for Judaism.
 
Secular progressivism.

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Those results are surprising since this was posted in the Thunderdome. I expected atleast a 15% for Judaism.

Jews who actually practice the Jewish faith tend to be pretty based. Most people claiming Jewish identity in Current Year actually worship secular progressivism.
 
I think there should be a split between western atheism and communist atheism, since the communist atheism hands down killed more people than all the religions combined (though at least the USSR had some scientific innovations), while the former is more annoying than destructive (though this increasingly change).
 
I’d agree with rolling Judaism and Atheism into one. IIRC, in early Christianity there were two major sects and a dozen smaller sects of Judaism. Pharisees (the ones who actually believed) mostly converted or disappeared, while the Sadducees (literally modern Jews, completely atheistic and only in it “for the culture”) refused and continued to split and reform years and years later.
 
I’d agree with rolling Judaism and Atheism into one. IIRC, in early Christianity there were two major sects and a dozen smaller sects of Judaism. Pharisees (the ones who actually believed) mostly converted or disappeared, while the Sadducees (literally modern Jews, completely atheistic and only in it “for the culture”) refused and continued to split and reform years and years later.
Modern Judaism is Pharisaic Judaism. The Sadducees were the ancient priesthood, wiped out as a power in AD 130. The Talmud was written by Pharisees and their rabbinical descendants debating stuff.

I wouldn't roll them into one because you have believing Orthodox Jews as opposed to Reform Jews who are as atheist/agnostic as any typical Anglican/Episcopalian. For that matter the Reform movement was the 19th century bastard child of Orthodox Judaism and the Lutheran churches in Germany. Similar root, individualism.

Edit: I would combine agnosticism, atheism, Satanism and Wicca/Paganism however. They're all "I hate you, dad!" religions stemming from the atomization of society in the late 18th century and continuing like a snowball to the present.
 
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I think there should be a split between western atheism and communist atheism, since the communist atheism hands down killed more people than all the religions combined (though at least the USSR had some scientific innovations), while the former is more annoying than destructive (though this increasingly change).
Communists aren’t even atheist if you ask me:
They treat their ideology as scripture, their “great leader” as a messiah and the party/state enforces said ideology by sending all heretics straight to hell (labor camps).
 
Exactly why I said what I said.
Islam, say, is inherently a cult that prohibits questioning and encourages lying and murder. Any farse orderly benefit Islam provides isn't inherent to it, but its roots withit Christianity and Judaism and even more so in the common sense of the average Muslim who benefits knowing less about his religioun than being radicalized by knowing too much.
I don't think you understand the psychology behind radicalization. People don't become radicalized by simply reading a book or listening to a sermon; they become radicalized by having certain beliefs consistently reinforced and rewarded, by being isolated from anyone who thinks differently, and through the weaponization of grievance (both real and imagined).

Social pressure can be a very powerful thing, and once the entire community around you is radicalized in this way, it can be very difficult for most people not to fall into it themselves. This is essentially the story of what's happened throughout much of the Muslim world, but I've not seen much evidence that it had to end up this way. The Bible contains many passages which are abhorrent to our modern sensibilities, yet most Christians are not radicalized by them in the same way. Why is that? Could it be because the cultural reinforcers of fanaticism are far more crucial a factor than whatever doctrinal basis people may find to justify it?
Circumstances be damned.
The entire muslim world is a living hellhole, either from being impoverished or born as a woman, to being so fucking rich that you can hire blonde Euopean girls to come to your mansion and shit on your teenage son so that he become a man or some shit. Islam by any way you look at it is a farse that feeds on itself.
Jews, with all the issues they have, are nowhere near as fucked up as muslims. I'm not even talking about how far better the Christian world is in.
I'm not ignoring circumstances though, nor am I giving Islam a free pass. I think that the Muslim world would be infinitely better if it was secular, but let's not ignore the destabilizing factors which have prevented that part of the world from advancing like the West has, such as colonialism, mercantile exploitation, constant invasions, lack of fertile land, the Mongols burning the libraries, etc.

Had the geography and politics been flipped, who knows how different Islam and Christianity could have ended up, and it's not like Christianity didn't go through periods where it was just as fanatical, deranged, and reactionary as Islamist ideology is today.
 
Black Lives Matter

The modern religion of self-worship.

These can be rolled into Marxism, which is treated as a religion now by "progressives". So I cast my "other" vote for the religion of Cultural Marxism. From that, we get destruction of traditional family structure in order to increase subservience to the authoritarian state.
 
Out of the big 5 major religions I would say Islam, because it often takes an anti-innovation approach combined with a moral structure that does the least to prohibit cruel actions. Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism (I don’t know enough about Judaism) all strongly discourage cruelty, whereas in Islam the obligation isn’t as strong/not there. Islam even goes as far to decree the creation of a religious theocracy where non-Muslims are treated as second class citizens, which Islamic society has tried to implement throughout history. However I think Islam has just as much of a right to be a religion as any other.

I think classical religions were even worse than Islam but they’ve been dead for millennia.

Satanism (not the edgy kind) is on paper the most atrocious but it’s mostly irrelevant.

The most destructive ideologies in history have usually been materialistic/rational ones, such as communism, fascism and legalism. Religions usually put some kind of value on humanity and human nature as it naturally exists and encourage personal development with the church as a guide, whereas intellectuals see nothing wrong with killing entire swaths of the population and establishing brutal authoritarian states where individuals have no rights because from their perspective humanity is clay to be molded into whatever they want.
 
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I don't think you understand the psychology behind radicalization. People don't become radicalized by simply reading a book or listening to a sermon; they become radicalized by having certain beliefs consistently reinforced and rewarded, by being isolated from anyone who thinks differently, and through the weaponization of grievance (both real and imagined).
I think you're the one who doesn't understand here.
Listen, what you said is absolutely right. Radicalization comes from a societal push to be radical, thinking that your side is objectively better and that alone gives you the right to literally slaughter who isn't on your side.
This is exactt the aim of Islam, pure and simple, book and sermons including. The terrorist who kills the infidel innocent civilians, lies about why he did it, the does it again lives out Islam in a more true sense than any sensible muslim, who'd preach (((the religion of peace))) out of his ignorance.
Social pressure can be a very powerful thing, and once the entire community around you is radicalized in this way, it can be very difficult for most people not to fall into it themselves.
You must literally be killed if you leave Islam. In the west, these murders happen rare enough that the media can allow itself to shut the fuck up about it. In the muslim wastelands, that shit is an everyday occurance. Just last week there was a horrible story from Africa where a bunch of these goons caught up with an ex muslim family and drenched them in acid.
This is essentially the story of what's happened throughout much of the Muslim world, but I've not seen much evidence that it had to end up this way.
Did you look for it?
The Bible contains many passages which are abhorrent to our modern sensibilities,
Like what? Stoning people to death in a harsh and hostile tribal environment? That part is there. There are also parts in the very same books that speak of showing mercy. And that's just the Old Testament.
In the New Testament it is explicitly said that you should forgive your enemies and turn the other cheek. Many Christians like to argue that it doesn't mean what it means, but it does mean what it means and the Bible itself speaks how no man is truly righteous and cannot truly follow such a path, but must try to none the less. In Islam you have nothing like this, but the complete opposite.
yet most Christians are not radicalized by them in the same way. Why is that?
Like I said, Christianity isn't about violent taking over of power structures, but of denying such and overcoming your old self for a new self reflecting Christ's teaching of peace.
Could it be because the cultural reinforcers of fanaticism are far more crucial a factor than whatever doctrinal basis people may find to justify it?
By this reason, Christianity should have a far more violent dogma attached to it throughout history, which it does not, all the while Islam should be more about peace, which it was never about peace in its history.
I'm not ignoring circumstances though, nor am I giving Islam a free pass. I think that the Muslim world would be infinitely better if it was secular,
That's like saying that the muslim world should ditch Islam and become Communist. This is not the answer.
but let's not ignore the destabilizing factors which have prevented that part of the world from advancing like the West has, such as colonialism, mercantile exploitation, constant invasions, lack of fertile land, the Mongols burning the libraries, etc.
Islam does these things to this day purely by religious dictate. They destroy archeological sites, they practice the slave trade, wage open and shadow warfare on each other and destroy their infrastructure. Mongols be damned, they came and gone, the muslims are still here to this day.
Had the geography and politics been flipped,
That is just naive. If Europe or the Americas have had the same violent ideology that Islam proposes, we would all be living in a global middle east state today. All the while if the Bizantine Empire hadn't fallen to the Ottoman sex fiend lunatics, it would be a far better world today in the same violent middle east of today. Maybe not perfect, but far better.
who knows how different Islam and Christianity
It's really not that hard to guess. One is a faith in a savior who died for everybody, preaching peace, the other is a plethora of lies bent on world domination and killing anyone who doesn't buy into your shit.
and it's not like Christianity didn't go through periods where it was just as fanatical, deranged, and reactionary as Islamist ideology is today.
See, here you again compare two completely different ideologies. Christianity had its bad moments, then they went away. Islam, since the very days of Muhammad himself, never had peace to this very day and it itself says there will never be peace until the whole world is forced to submit to it.

I'm sorry, you seem like a rational person. But you have literally 0 idea about how religion works in society and how important it actually is, and how much of a wacko lunatic factory Islam really is.
 
Harmful to whom? To others - probably islam since muslims are prone to do the most retarded shit. To one's own ability to think straight - any religion is garbage, if you need to use imaginable friends as a crutch for your mental wellness, that's kinda sad but if it helps...? Well, someone does drugs, someone goes to the church. Btw active progresstive atheism is also a form of religion.
 
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