Feminist Kiwis (not a honeypot)

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PeteyCoffee said:
can't just apply to the people she likes, or at least in that case it isn't something she "believe very strongly". Though if she said, "I believe very strongly that feminists should be judged by their actions as a person rather than what they choose to label themselves as", in that case it probably would have worked. She also could have used "liberals", "non-wackos", or "upstanding men and women". Or most succinctly, "people I like".
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I'm a "he" actually you misgendering shitlord!
 
Please note that baitposting isn't allowed in Deep Thoughts, if these posts are your legitimate opinions on things then still, refrain from calling something "Worse than ISIS"
 
I don't like a lot of feminists but I respect them for pissing off people I like even less such as the whole "I'm super egalitarian u guise men's rights are totally the new civil rights movement" crowd. I mean Jesus Christ can't you just be upfront about what you want? You want women back in the kitchen and cooking you a steak, just say so. You want to go back to the old days, admit it already. Don't be a pussy and act like you care about "equal rights".

Even when I disagree with feminists, I at least know where they stand and why. I appreciate the honesty.
 
Abethedemon said:
Hey there, I'm just curious if any of y'all are feminists or support feminism. I'd like to think of myself as doing so, but I'm somewhat skeptical to current movements, and I feel certain ideas are loaded in buzzwords and ideas that censor freeze peach. I'd almost think of myself as both a feminist and an MRA since I support equality for all genders.
What are your thoughts?
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Yep, that would be about right. I was fairly recently rejected from some SJW circles because I dared question and call out some of the hypocrisy. Without going into too much detail, I would not consider myself an MRA, but some MRAs have reasonable complaints such as custody issues, equality of opportunity and the like. When it goes into crazy and stupid territory like anti-PUA, RooshV, Sandman, etc., that's when I just shake my head.
 
I can see where people have a distaste with feminism and the baggage it carries. Even I do. But egalitarian carries its own baggage, as Satan put it, of being too much of a pussy to admit that you think women should remain second class citizens. Is that the case with everyone who uses that label? No, but a lot of people do, and at the same time they are not representative of the whole lot who uses the label. This is just like how there are the man-hating political lesbian separatist nutjob feminists, who also don't represent feminism on the large scale.

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I mostly came here because @PeteyCoffee's a dumbass, but since I'm here I might as well answer the question posed.

Abethedemon said:
Hey there, I'm just curious if any of y'all are feminists or support feminism. I'd like to think of myself as doing so, but I'm somewhat skeptical to current movements, and I feel certain ideas are loaded in buzzwords and ideas that censor freeze peach. I'd almost think of myself as both a feminist and an MRA since I support equality for all genders.
What are your thoughts?
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I support feminism in the idea that I support women having equal support in different industrial fields and that there shouldn't be any fucking discrimination at all between genders. The closest that you could probably get to a "fair inequality" would be the fact that women might have to take an unexpected leave due to pregnancy and I think everyone knows that this is always a possibility, hence the lower paycheck and all of that shit, but really beyond that you're hard pressed to actually give a legitimate reason why men and women can't do the same shit for the same things.

Being a "feminist developer" or a "women developer" or a "transexual developer" is stupid. People should be judged on their merits, not by biological factors that they had no control over (and you know what I'm talking about - saying that you can choose to be a tranny is missing the fucking point). George Lucas could a black, genderfluid furry woman and I would still think Star Wars was awesome (up until he ruined it).
 
RichardDripp said:
Yep, that would be about right. I was fairly recently rejected from some SJW circles because I dared question and call out some of the hypocrisy. Without going into too much detail, I would not consider myself an MRA, but some MRAs have reasonable complaints such as custody issues, equality of opportunity and the like. When it goes into crazy and stupid territory like anti-PUA, RooshV, Sandman, etc., that's when I just shake my head.
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Unfortunately, it's the extremists in both movements that taint public opinion of them. Both men and women have legitimate issues that need to be addressed, but those often get drowned out by the shrieks of extremists on both sides.
 
Deleted a blatant baitpost and the replies, please just report and ignore obvious bait like 'feminists are worse than the kkk' or i'll lock the thread.
 
Satan said:
I don't like a lot of feminists but I respect them for pissing off people I like even less such as the whole "I'm super egalitarian u guise men's rights are totally the new civil rights movement" crowd. I mean Jesus Christ can't you just be upfront about what you want? You want women back in the kitchen and cooking you a steak, just say so. You want to go back to the old days, admit it already. Don't be a pussy and act like you care about "equal rights".

Even when I disagree with feminists, I at least know where they stand and why. I appreciate the honesty.
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I believe you're dismissing these people based only on what Feminism has to say about them. I mean, I know from personal experience that a lot of these MRAs are insane (and in my opinion they're all dumb because gender politics is asinine as a whole.) But hell, Feminism is calling women sluts and saying women should not be wearing certain clothing. But Those Dang Men's Rights Activists are the traditionalists.
Magpie said:
I don't think his chance at not being a virgin with rage counts as a person. Also in before he says however many fetuses are aborted because those dang dirty women want to exercise bodily autonomy.

But on the less shallow-posty side, I can see where people have a distaste with feminism and the baggage it carries. Even I do. But egalitarian carries its own baggage, as Satan put it, of being too much of a pussy to admit that you think women should remain second class citizens. Is that the case with everyone who uses that label? No, but a lot of people do, and at the same time they are not representative of the whole lot who uses the label. This is just like how there are the man-hating political lesbian separatist nutjob feminists, who also don't represent feminism on the large scale.
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As a matter of fact, I am an ardent advocate for the murder of unborn children. We stand together on this. But I call it like it is.

I've heard Klansmen say, "Whites have been relegated to second class citizens with all these damn blacks walking around." That's you (replacing whites with women and blacks with men).
Sanae Kochiya said:
I support feminism in the idea that I support women having equal support in different industrial fields and that there shouldn't be any fucking discrimination at all between genders. The closest that you could probably get to a "fair inequality" would be the fact that women might have to take an unexpected leave due to pregnancy and I think everyone knows that this is always a possibility, hence the lower paycheck and all of that shit, but really beyond that you're hard pressed to actually give a legitimate reason why men and women can't do the same shit for the same things.
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It's common fact that there's a conspiracy against women.
OfflineCyberBully said:
Unfortunately, it's the extremists in both movements that taint public opinion of them. Both men and women have legitimate issues that need to be addressed, but those often get drowned out by the shrieks of extremists on both sides.
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It's for the best because both sides prescribe totalitarian policies in order to achieve their "equality." If either made any real headway, we'd all be screwed.
 
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I'm of the Rebecca West type of feminist:
"I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute."

However, I don't think MRAs give a shit about "men's rights". They're just butthurt incels trying convince everyone that it's women's fault that they suck.
 
Mrs Paul said:
I'm of the Rebecca West type of feminist:
I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute.
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You can call yourself a Feminist without following the Feminist movement. It's like, you can call yourself a Christian without following the organized religion. Just realize that a lot of ordinary people associate the word 'Feminist' with popular Feminism. Honestly, it's probably better to just call yourself an 'egalitarian' or 'a proponent for equal treatment under the law' and not get lumped in with a movement which so often advocates for the opposite.

I guarantee other people don't think of you like a doormat or prostitute. That is, unless you wear a doormat around your neck or dress like a stripper. People have too much shit going on with their own lives to be thinking about pretty much anyone besides themselves.
Mrs Paul said:
However, I don't think MRAs give a shit about "men's rights". They're just butthurt incels trying convince everyone that it's women's fault that they suck.
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I hope that is the case because Incels are so much nicer and funnier than political extremists.

Truly, I don't know very much about the Men's Rights movement or what kind of policies it advocates for. I once listened to a podcast where an elderly self-proclaimed MRA who had the mannerisms of a retard claimed the vast majority of murders are committed by women. Other than that, I've only heard MRAs talking about men's issues and the ideal of equality. I've never once heard an MRA say how they're going to achieve this so called equality they talk so much about. So maybe it isn't an authoritarian movement like I assume it is.

Perhaps there are MRA kiwis who could enlighten me on what kind of legislation or judicial decisions the movement advocates for or against specifically. Or maybe MRAs are aimless like hippies. "Peace, man." "Equality, dude."
 
I harbor the firm belief, that every human being - no matter what kind of gender, social standing, wealth, nationality, race, religion, age, physical and mental disabilities, political beliefs and idiology this person has - has the same potential to be a giant asshole.
 
I always find out what people mean by 'feminism' before I tell them whether I'm a feminist; because it matters.

If 'feminist' is simply someone who believes in gender equality, I'm all on board. And I don't think I'm alone there; Most people seem to support gender equality.

But if your feminism also includes rape hysteria, oppression olympics, attacking people with the wrong identity, safe spaces with the exact same traits as an echo chamber..... well, I'm not on board with any of that. Yet most of what calls itself feminism on the internet winds up being this. Maybe the best thing for me to tell people is that I support gender equality, but I think of all these things as absolute nonsense.
 
That depends, I personally don't care unless it's too offensive to not ignore. But I'm usually cool with most portrayals of men or women (in fiction, real life is another matter entirely). That's not to say I'm against the idea, but it's not something I'm worried about in the long run. It really just depends on what's supposed to be going on in the show/movie/animation/comic/whatever, as well as the character. Like, for example, it's established the character doesn't/can't fight. As such, I don't expect them to do such an action, whether it be male or female. If I notice something wrong with fiction treating one gender better than the other, I blame it on poor storytelling and ignorance of that gender. Or both if it's really bad.

It's when you get to the liberal feminists that I start to get really ticked off. I get it, women need to be treated more equally. And I agree one hundred percent. Just stop shoving it down my throat for the millionth time. That applies to every nutcase who think they're helping the cause when they're really hurting it. Especially the hardcore "Social Justice Whackjobs" on Tumblr. Though I'm sure we can all agree on that part.

As a whole, it's not an easy answer to expect, some people have their opinion, I have mine, you support feminism and equality? Fine, I'm not going to mock you. In fact, I may even agree with you on several points. Unless that opinion is radically offensive for, or against, the idea. Then I'm not going to bother, because I don't swing that way.
 
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I am a feminist because I subscribe to the belief that women can do anything men can do, & I pride myself on my ability to do so. I also vote, have a job, am educated, & live independently. That's what feminism is, pure & simple.
 
Am I the only one who uses the word "feminist" to mean "a person who has studied feminist doctrine and engages in activism based on those principles"?

Also I like the part where y'all think "egalitarian" isn't a loaded word nowadays.
 
autisticdragonkin said:
That means tumblrinas and Andrea Dworkin
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Because "reblogging on tumblr" is totally what I meant by "activism". Sure.

sugoi-chan said:
Doesn't really change what @KingQueen said. It's a broad enough movement to allow for plenty of competing interpretations of the concept and literature.
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Yes. This is one of the biggest mistakes by people unfamiliar with feminism; they think feminism is one big homogenous blob instead of a variety of viewpoints with a similar goal (equality/liberation for women). This is why people express confusion and ridicule at supposed feminist hypocrisy, because they think it's the same people saying "men should die!" right after "I love being a slut!"

I really don't think anyone is a feminist who doesn't do the research and the work. Even I'm not a feminist since I'm not doing any sort of activism. You can agree with certain feminist viewpoints, but that isn't the same thing. It's like saying you're a musician without making music or knowing anything about music, but you just like music. Or saying you're a Democrat when you don't know what the politicians believe because you don't even vote.

(And that's not even getting into the problems between people I would consider "real" Feminists.)
 
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