US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Garm]

Welp, guess we can't expect anything from the Senate for the next month.
View attachment 2946164

Oh. No. What a tragedy. Much shame.

 

[Breadbassket]

>Chinese history isn't applicable to China
I don't understand. In all seriousness though, you can also see it with more Anglocentric things like the Glorious Revolution where most of the English army pretty much just gave up immediately and went over with the Dutch because they didn't particularly care for the Stuarts.

Things will have to really suck for the military to change sides in the event of an rebellion but there also other factors to keep in mind. When the Mongols invaded China, the Chinese themselves were divided among different dynasties. The Ming Dynasty at its end before the Qing came in was facing crop failure, floods and disease and not to help matters the Ming were defeated by a rebel leader who himself was then defeated by the Qing. Moving to the 20th century, the Red Chinese were victorious over the KMT not because of just deserters but because Nationalist China was still recovering from fighting the Japanese in a conflict that saw the KMT take millions upon millions of casualties (a lot of hard to replace veteran troops were most likely lost in all of this bloodshed) while the Communists lost about 500,000 by comparison.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

>Chinese history isn't applicable to China
I don't understand. In all seriousness though, you can also see it with more Anglocentric things like the Glorious Revolution where most of the English army pretty much just gave up immediately and went over with the Dutch because they didn't particularly care for the Stuarts.

No, I must not have made my point clear or have muddled it. What I was trying to say is that while Chinese historical trends, such as the acquisition and loss of the Mandate of Heaven by groups in Chinese history may seem superficially similar to events such as the Glorious Revolution, on a deeper level they are not the same as European revolutions. The Mandate is simply transferred via the flow of power from one group to another based upon purely material issues such as famine, flood, or horsemen. There have been exceptions, most notably the Xinhai Revolution which overthrew the Qing, but it was western style revolution based upon western ideas. Western ideas have been superimposed upon an Oriental framework for at least a century and a half for China, which it doesn't like.

Meanwhile, Western revolutions tend to be more ideological in nature. The French Revolution may have been sparked off by famine, but it grew into a larger confrontation regarding the ideas that had been brewing in European society for the better part of a century. The American Revolution was touched off by squabbles over taxes and colonial overreach, but again, it was a difference of philosophies that led to the Revolutionary War, and all that came out of it.

The difference between these two types of revolutions is that the former is based upon pragmatic needs with a reason dressed up for it, while the latter is an ideological matter with the material world ordered around it. It is the difference between East and West.

Anyhow, that's my two cents on the matter.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

No, I must not have made my point clear or have muddled it. What I was trying to say is that while Chinese historical trends, such as the acquisition and loss of the Mandate of Heaven by groups in Chinese history may seem superficially similar to events such as the Glorious Revolution, on a deeper level they are not the same as European revolutions. The Mandate is simply transferred via the flow of power from one group to another based upon purely material issues such as famine, flood, or horsemen. There have been exceptions, most notably the Xinhai Revolution which overthrew the Qing, but it was western style revolution based upon western ideas. Western ideas have been superimposed upon an Oriental framework for at least a century and a half for China, which it doesn't like.

Meanwhile, Western revolutions tend to be more ideological in nature. The French Revolution may have been sparked off by famine, but it grew into a larger confrontation regarding the ideas that had been brewing in European society for the better part of a century. The American Revolution was touched off by squabbles over taxes and colonial overreach, but again, it was a difference of philosophies that led to the Revolutionary War, and all that came out of it.

The difference between these two types of revolutions is that the former is based upon pragmatic needs with a reason dressed up for it, while the latter is an ideological matter with the material world ordered around it. It is the difference between East and West.

Anyhow, that's my two cents on the matter.

The China part was just me trying to shitpost about Canada=China

 

[Cuckoman]

The year-end inflation numbers were bad. "Lead up to the Great Depression" bad. Economically it portends an absolute nightmare. And the reaction by the Democrats was "We need to do more of the same".

It's... breathtakingly horrible. An absolute break from reality.

This is a valid reason to leave. As is the divided population and all the anger.
I don't think there is actual security issue you have to worry about, I mean the only people that get hurt when protests go wrong are the troublemakers and the state actors that try to stop them. If you keep your head down no one will come to your house or harrass you.

BUT, do you really want to live in a place where everyone around you is permanently angry about something all the the time? That negativity rubs off on you.


PL:
I lived for a while in California but left in 2017 when I thought "people have gone completely fucking mental" and I just did not enjoy how fucked up society and discourse had become. This whole "everything is a team sport" bs.
That was 2017, lol. It is a milion times worse now I guess.
I went back home and I now live in a tropical paradise on the other side of the planet. No one here is going full retard like the people I lived among or worked with in 2017 did. Everyone is happy around here and you can discuss politics with someone with wildly different opinions with a laugh and then have a beer together. I can highly recommend leaving the US.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

The China part was just me trying to shitpost about Canada=China

Oh. Well, maybe in Vancouver....

And sorry about going a bit overboard with that, I just like to chew on those sorts of philosophical topics, so I leapt on your response like a starved dog given a steak.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Last year a bunch of major airlines dropped their exclusivity contracts with CNN which accounted for about 70% of their traffic. They are in deep deep financial trouble.

Damn. Does this include airports?

Jen Psaki speaks about Joe Rogan controversy and says ‘more can be done’ by Spotify [joe-rogan...mp4
Jen and Biden want to censor joe rogan for "misinformation". Fuck these fascists.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-rogan-spotify-covid-white-house-b2005488.html

This is what many on the right have said would happen: the WH is unofficially deputizing private customers to go after their enemies and the undesirables. All in the name of reaching utopia.

The peasants have gotten far too uppity up north. We must make sure the rebellion doesn't spread here!
View attachment 2946071

They’re on Gab now.

https://gab.com/groups/59447

 

[mandatorylurk]

Out of interest does any one know the rules (are there rules) about voting in absentia in the senate, or is this literaly just a situation where there are currently only 49 democrat votes.

As I understand it there's no proxy vote in the senate like Pelosi (and SCOTUS) allowed in the senate, but what has been done in certain situations is where a member, usually from the other side, pairs a vote by saying present to balance out the missing member. This was done for Kavanaugh's confirmation when that loser senator from Montana, Steve Daines was going to miss the vote because his daughter was getting married that weekend (you're a senator, the world doesn't/shouldn't stop for you). Murkowski was going to vote no like the bitch she is, pretended to be for the team and vote present to save her skin and his so Kavanugh passed with Manchin's yes.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Rice. Beans. (Multiple kinds). Flour. Cornmeal. Bottled Water and water filters. Canned meat. (Spam may not be good to eat but it'll do the trick) Cheap spices (Garlic salt, onion salt, pepper, Mrs. Dash) and basic bitch hot sauce.

Toilet paper. Light bulbs. Batteries (rechargable and non). Kerosene. Gasoline. Fuel pellets and tabs. Coleman heating/cooling stove about the size of a coffee can.

Long rifle, shotgun, pistol. Machete. 500 rounds of ammo for each. Get used to iron sights. All that tacticool shit is great right up until you drop your rifle. Red dot is for pussies.

Those are your basics.

There's a weird ugly undercurrent that I don't like.

Buy it now before your money is even further devalued by the non-existent inflation and the doesn't exist supply chain issues.

Or, point and laugh at me, your choice.

 

[Calvin Coolidge]

If anything goes down it will be one of three things.

1: An authoritarian crackdown that will affect every state regardless.
2: Insurgent action, likely on both sides, which... will effect every state regardless.
3: Full on civil war which... you get the idea.


Now, I am not predicting the third. But the first and second are very much on the table at some point. I had to make a hard decision which resulted in me determining I have the funds and the connections to move somewhere more stable and keep my family safe.

So... China?

 

[Psyduck]

They’re on Gab now.

https://gab.com/groups/59447

So its been effectively wiped off social media then

 

[Bob's Fries]

The year-end inflation numbers were bad. "Lead up to the Great Depression" bad. Economically it portends an absolute nightmare. And the reaction by the Democrats was "We need to do more of the same".

It's... breathtakingly horrible. An absolute break from reality.

So I have to ask. If they're still doing the same thing despite all the warning signs, do you think it is intentional?
The moment you mention the Great Depression, I have some odd gut feeling they're trying to relive the scenarios leading to WW2 to relive the "good times" of industry and the years of FDR.

 

[Random Internet Person]

So its been effectively wiped off social media then

If you wanna put it that way, yes.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Plus there is the biblical consideration, with me not exactly being a good example of practicing Christian

There's been exactly one good example of a Christian, the rest of us are screw-ups that keep having to ask Him for forgiveness. I highly recommend doing so!

 

[MrJokerRager]

This is a valid reason to leave. As is the divided population and all the anger.
I don't think there is actual security issue you have to worry about, I mean the only people that get hurt when protests go wrong are the troublemakers and the state actors that try to stop them. If you keep your head down no one will come to your house or harrass you.

BUT, do you really want to live in a place where everyone around you is permanently angry about something all the the time? That negativity rubs off on you.


PL:
I lived for a while in California but left in 2017 when I thought "people have gone completely fucking mental" and I just did not enjoy how fucked up society and discourse had become. This whole "everything is a team sport" bs.
That was 2017, lol. It is a milion times worse now I guess.
I went back home and I now live in a tropical paradise on the other side of the planet. No one here is going full retard like the people I lived among or worked with in 2017 did. Everyone is happy around here and you can discuss politics with someone with wildly different opinions with a laugh and then have a beer together. I can highly recommend leaving the US.

California fully spiritually died as soon as Newsom won the recall.

The people are even more retarded than ever before, and eat up anything sold to them about the chink flu.

 

[MirrorNoir]

How desperate can they get?

Biden aims to reduce cancer deaths by 50% over next 25 years​

https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...nion-address-122f2d0782a30d7cf766f2892fc5962a (https://archive.ph/8O86S)

President Joe Biden is committing to reduce the cancer death rate by 50% — a new goal for the “moonshot” initiative against the disease that was announced in 2016 when he was vice president.

Biden has set a 25-year timeline for achieving that goal, part of his broader effort to end cancer as we know it, according to senior administration officials who previewed Wednesday’s announcement on the condition of anonymity.

The issue is deeply personal for Biden: He lost his elder son, Beau, to brain cancer in 2015.

The pain experienced by the president is shared by many Americans. The American Cancer Society estimates that there will be 1,918,030 new cancer cases and 609,360 cancer deaths this year. What Biden is aiming to do is essentially save more than 300,000 lives annually from the disease, something the administration believes is possible because the age-adjusted death rate has already fallen by roughly 25% over the past two decades.

Biden was scheduled to give remarks Wednesday from the East Room of the White House, along with his wife, Jill, and Vice President Kamala Harris. Also scheduled to attend the speech: members of Congress and the administration and about 100 members of the cancer community including patients, survivors, caregivers, families, advocacy groups and research organizations.

As part of the effort, Biden will assemble a “cancer Cabinet” that includes 18 federal departments, agencies and offices, including leaders from the Departments of Health and Human Services, Veterans Affairs, Defense, Energy and Agriculture.

There were no plans to announce new funding commitments on Wednesday, though the administration will outline why it believes it can curb cancer through efforts such as increased screening and removing inequities in treatment. The coronavirus pandemic has consumed health care resources and caused people to miss more than 9.5 million cancer screenings.

The White House also will host a summit on the cancer initiative and continue a roundtable discussion series on the subject. The goal is to improve the quality of treatment and people’s lives, something with deep economic resonance as well. The National Cancer Institute reported in October that the economic burden of treatment was more than $21 billion in 2019, including $16.22 billion in patient out-of-pocket costs.

President Barack Obama announced the cancer program during his final full year in office and secured $1.8 billion over seven years to fund research. Obama designated Biden, then his vice president, as “mission control,” a recognition of Biden’s grief as a parent and desire to do something about it. Biden wrote in his memoir “Promise Me, Dad” that he chose not to run for president in 2016 primarily because of Beau’s death.

When Biden announced he wasn’t seeking the Democratic nomination in 2016, he said he regretted not being president because “I would have wanted to have been the president who ended cancer, because it’s possible.”

The effort fell somewhat out of the public focus when Donald Trump became president, though Trump, a Republican, proposed $500 million over 10 years for pediatric cancer research in his 2019 State of the Union address.

Biden continued the work as a private citizen by establishing the Biden Cancer Initiative to help organize resources to improve cancer care. When Biden did seek the presidency in 2020, he had tears in his eyes as he said in an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that “Beau should be running for president, not me.”

The Good Fight did something like this in their alternate earth "what if Hillary won" episode.

Basically to try and salvage her Presidency, Big Pharma basically says "fuck it" and finally reveal to the public that they've "found" the cure for cancer after President Hillary arranged for Big Pharma to get an obscene amount of government subsidies to "find a cure". Which leads to a lot of people screaming the obvious, that Hilary basically bribed Big Pharma to put the cure for cancer they've been sitting on for DECADES (because it's more profitable to treat the symptoms not cure Cancer outright) out on the market so she could take credit for it and get re-elected.

 

[Random Internet Person]

https://www.businessinsider.com/collins-tough-for-republicans-reject-black-female-supreme-court-nominee-2022-2

 

[Gehenna]

So aside from the obvious violent implications of that - what are the long term political ramifications of the Democrats going full retard, assuming they don't go full insurrection and civil war 2. Maybe a few steps below that, say actively advocating terroristic actions and being caught with blatant manipulations. Would that be enough to shake most of their base? How badly would the implosion of the party affect those who've dumped billions in, like Soros?

I know this is way out there speculation, but the political aspect is the one piece I have no real knowledge to predict the possibility space of.

Right, to get to this. The Democrats as an institution would be rendered utterly unelectable. This is actually a bad thing. They'd see their political power wane which would give rise to the most violent elements that remain and begin a feedback loop of losing power so more violence so losing power. That's how it would start. See The Troubles from Ireland, but without a clear goal. Just undirected anger and violence.

Its radiating effects would be... catastrophic. The U.S. would be paralyzed and utterly unable to continue being the hegemon of the world. Various wars our presence prevented would kick off within only a couple year at most. China would collapse too, so there is that. But expect Russia to stop giving a fuck and every major regional power to begin a series of power seizures.

Hey, you like these supply issues? They will get so much worse. With China economically collapsing, nobody to secure the naval trade routes, and a ton of smaller wars kicking off you can say goodbye to anything not made in the U.S.A... and most things made in it as insurgent activity disrupts everything.

The entire world economy would grind to a halt within a year. Massive famines would spring up everywhere as the interlocking food lanes just stall to a total halt. This will create unrest, violence, and oh yay another feedback loop.

Big guys like Soros would have almost no influence anymore as their own nations and places of living descend into unrest too. It'd just be pure, uncontrollable chaos from which nobody could gain anything. Everybody loses.



Thankfully I don't think it will ever come to this. It might come close but this doomsday scenario is... unlikely.

Could you please possibly link a source to those raw inflation numbers when you get a chance? I haven’t seen them (outside of being told that they are horrendously bad), so it would be immensely helpful vis-à-vis context.

Thanks in advance.

Sadly no, obtained through work resources but my boss doesn't give a fuck about me trumpeting those numbers because they were... holy fuck bad. But I can link to an analysis of some of it.

https://www.kiplinger.com/economic-forecasts/inflation

For reference, what finally kicked off the Great Depression was a 10% increase. We hit 7 for last year. The Economy -can not- take another hit like this.

So I have to ask. If they're still doing the same thing despite all the warning signs, do you think it is intentional?
The moment you mention the Great Depression, I have some odd gut feeling they're trying to relive the scenarios leading to WW2 to relive the "good times" of industry and the years of FDR.

Unlikely. I am given to believe it is the Twin Follies of the Democrats now taken to their logical extreme. I can fill in more if you aren't aware of the twin follies concept.

 

[verissimus]

https://www.theblaze.com/news/actua...r-to-make-senators-like-kyrsten-sinema-suffer

She does realize she is setting herself up to call out Chuck Schumer right?

 

[soy_king]

I will note to try to calm down some of this reaction. My leaving is precautionary. I see unrest as likely but the three options I said are not yet set in stone and certain.

But I have kids, I have a wife, I have people who are relying on me to care for them and see them through it. I also have the option to move to another country and still retain my job, my assets, and most of my comforts. I am not moving because the sky is falling, I am moving because it now looks like it -may- fall and waiting for it to start would be a dereliction of my duty to my family.


I would recommend anyone here do the same. Not move to another country per se, but do what you can to keep your families safe. Buy a firearm if your state allows it -and actually train with it-. Stock up on non-perishable foods. Make sure you have some basic medical supplies.

Hell, go ask @Jet Fuel Johnny for some tips.

Don't wait until things actually begin to go south to prepare, it's already too late then.

Unless you're moving to an Anglophone country or are bilingual, you'll probably have a tough time being an expat. and let's face it, none of the Anglophone countries are currently doing well, freedomwise.