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Back me up! said:
The Rights problem is that for too long the majority of them ignored the lowest of the low level elected offices (School Boards, Comptroller, etc) and useful but time consuming position like poll water, etc. This allowed RINO and other leftest to get into the system and work their way up the party chain.

Now? After seeing the crap their children are being taught and how the current crop of teachers actually views their kids they are starting to realize it all starts at the bottom. The School Boards stuff is just the beginning while the rest really, really need to start reading Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals.
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This is exactly right. We need to take over school boards and party precinct committees, not figure out how to organize rallies more effectively. When antifa organizes a riot, the Democratic Party queues up legislation. When conservatives organize a rally, the GOP sends con men to grift old ladies out of all their money and ensure it isn't spent on either elections or policy.
 
The Ugly One said:
This is exactly right. We need to take over school boards and party precinct committees, not figure out how to organize rallies more effectively. When antifa organizes a riot, the Democratic Party queues up legislation. When conservatives organize a rally, the GOP sends con men to grift old ladies out of all their money and ensure it isn't spent on either elections or policy.
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For the conservatives and Republicans who want to make a difference, its really going to have to be a grassroots level effort. The issue of course will be convincing people to run in the elections and then win these crucial positions in school boards and committees.
 
The California single payer healthcare bill roundabout goes every couple of years like this:

1. Leftists pitch lavish zero-cost healthcare to everybody physically in California, especially illegals.
2. It turns out because California has 40 million people in it the plan would cost approximately 87 gigazillion dollars and would entail massive cuts to everything as well as a nosebleed 20+ percent tax increase, and even then almost certainly fall short of being financed, because Healthcare for Everybody "For Free" actually costs substantially more than the already enormous entire state budget.
3. People providing the private insurance are concerned that their piece of the pie will shrink or be non-existent so they agitate to shut the vote down.
4. People realize that single payer will piss off the people paying into it who will need to give healthcare to marginally employed people, homeless people and illegals and could cost them money and votes.
5, It will also cause a twofold program. Shitbags who won't pay into the system will stampede into California for even more "free stuff," stressing infrastructure and ballooning the state debt consuming all the goodies, while the tax base stampedes outwards to Californicate more purple states. California is already a top 10 state in the country for total debt and deficit so nobody wants to see the system strained and losing its tax base because that will double whammy and turbofuck the state.
6. Nobody wants to be on the hook for voting against single payer because the progressives are besotted with it and will boycott and primary people who vote against the Pie in the Sky single payer proposal so democrats themselves do something to table the vote/shut it down from even getting to a vote.
7. So, finally, it doesn't go to a vote. Even though this is something that democrats on paper support and due to gerrymandering, jungle primaries and vote shenanigans have a hammerlock on California and have turned it into a one party state for decades, single payer is considered such a toxic non-starter it can't even come up to vote anymore.

This is a microcrosm of the macrocosm of congress. Its why Obamacare is such a rotten compromise and gift to insurance companies and hospitals and nothing even close to single payer, public option, etc. Democrats had a chance for something like the California scheme at the national level yet they got Chocolate Romneycare and have to pretend to like it.
 
AGreatDipAtAFairPrice said:
The California single payer healthcare bill roundabout goes every couple of years like this:

1. Leftists pitch lavish zero-cost healthcare to everybody physically in California, especially illegals.
2. It turns out because California has 40 million people in it the plan would cost approximately 87 gigazillion dollars and would entail massive cuts to everything as well as a nosebleed 20+ percent tax increase, and even then almost certainly fall short of being financed, because Healthcare for Everybody "For Free" actually costs substantially more than the already enormous entire state budget.
3. People providing the private insurance are concerned that their piece of the pie will shrink or be non-existent so they agitate to shut the vote down.
4. People realize that single payer will piss off the people paying into it who will need to give healthcare to marginally employed people, homeless people and illegals and could cost them money and votes.
5, It will also cause a twofold program. Shitbags who won't pay into the system will stampede into California for even more "free stuff," stressing infrastructure and ballooning the state debt consuming all the goodies, while the tax base stampedes outwards to Californicate more purple states. California is already a top 10 state in the country for total debt and deficit so nobody wants to see the system strained and losing its tax base because that will double whammy and turbofuck the state.
6. Nobody wants to be on the hook for voting against single payer because the progressives are besotted with it and will boycott and primary people who vote against the Pie in the Sky single payer proposal so democrats themselves do something to table the vote/shut it down from even getting to a vote.
7. So, finally, it doesn't go to a vote. Even though this is something that democrats on paper support and due to gerrymandering, jungle primaries and vote shenanigans have a hammerlock on California and have turned it into a one party state for decades, single payer is considered such a toxic non-starter it can't even come up to vote anymore.

This is a microcrosm of the macrocosm of congress. Its why Obamacare is such a rotten compromise and gift to insurance companies and hospitals and nothing even close to single payer, public option, etc. Democrats had a chance for something like the California scheme at the national level yet they got Chocolate Romneycare and have to pretend to like it.
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So basically every few years, a lot of people get together and talk about something but yet nothing happens?
 
Back when I was in the Dem activist circuit, the one thing that always floored me was just how much common ground we had when we ran into our counterparts on the right. We would sometimes run into them while canvassing, and more often than not, we'd wind up swapping stories and laughing with one another at the Dunkin Donuts or something when we all were done. It was only then we both found out who we were working for, we had a solid laugh over it, and we counted it as a learning experience. Most of the time, we agreed on fundamental things, but differed in how best to address them.

That's actually one of the biggest advantages the right has, and many are too bitter to realize it - that there's tons they could find common cause in with their counterparts. Think of how often, in this very thread, you've seen people tar the entire left with the exact same brush, even though the elements pushing the most egregious shit in it are about as representative of how the left's voterbase actually feels as Youtube Rewind was of Youtube's viewerbase. On one hand, I can't blame them for it, the establishment sets the pattern and all the Autistic hard-lefties follow the marching orders. We all know how it is.

At the local level, you have much more in common with more conventional Lefties than you think, and given time, you can and will find a lot of common cause with them. The hard left is fucking terrified of this prospect, because if there's one thing they will never have, it's numbers. They're fringe, and while they'll act otherwise, they know it's the case. This is why every single effort is made to divide things, to pit people against one another, to force people to paint in broad strokes, when a finer hand is often needed.
 
SSF2T Old User said:
I wouldn't exactly call having a humongous safe space (CHAZ) in an entire city (Seattle) for weeks with no repercussions "ineffective".
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It kinda was, though.

What did CHAZ and the summer of love actually accomplish?

Sure they got police departments in shithole cities defunded for maybe six months… but then the crime skyrocketed and the politicians started ctrl-z’ing real damn hard.
 
mandatorylurk said:
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Democrat Senator had a stroke and out of the office for the time being.
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Yeah strokes suck major ass, similar to cancer in that anyone can get one at any time for no reason whatsoever but with cancer you get a bit of chance to catch it early or that its benign, with strokes you get a high chance of straight up fucking dying on the spot even if you got the best medical attention the world can offer and even if you don't die parts of your brain will very likely rot and leave you paralytic or retarded, shit just sucks man
 
Jaimas said:
Back when I was in the Dem activist circuit, the one thing that always floored me was just how much common ground we had when we ran into our counterparts on the right. We would sometimes run into them while canvassing, and more often than not, we'd wind up swapping stories and laughing with one another at the Dunkin Donuts or something when we all were done. It was only then we both found out who we were working for, we had a solid laugh over it, and we counted it as a learning experience. Most of the time, we agreed on fundamental things, but differed in how best to address them.

That's actually one of the biggest advantages the right has, and many are too bitter to realize it - that there's tons they could find common cause in with their counterparts. Think of how often, in this very thread, you've seen people tar the entire left with the exact same brush, even though the elements pushing the most egregious shit in it are about as representative of how the left's voterbase actually feels as Youtube Rewind was of Youtube's viewerbase. On one hand, I can't blame them for it, the establishment sets the pattern and all the Autistic hard-lefties follow the marching orders. We all know how it is.

At the local level, you have much more in common with more conventional Lefties than you think, and given time, you can and will find a lot of common cause with them. The hard left is fucking terrified of this prospect, because if there's one thing they will never have, it's numbers. They're fringe, and while they'll act otherwise, they know it's the case. This is why every single effort is made to divide things, to pit people against one another, to force people to paint in broad strokes, when a finer hand is often needed.
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The conventional lefties I live around want homeless people to be allowed to shit on the sidewalks downtown and have some kind of hallucinatory fantasy about the bad side of town not actually being bad, it's just that the cops are racist. So we need to make sure people there don't get arrested when they rob stores or bust people in the face and HEY WHY DID SOMEBODY STEAL THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER FROM MY SUV :( :( :( :( :(
 
The Ugly One said:
The conventional lefties I live around want homeless people to be allowed to shit on the sidewalks downtown and have some kind of hallucinatory fantasy about the bad side of town not actually being bad, it's just that the cops are racist. So we need to make sure people there don't get arrested when they rob stores or bust people in the face and HEY WHY DID SOMEBODY STEAL THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER FROM MY SUV :( :( :( :( :(
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yeah, the conventional lefties he speaks of dont exist anymore, and the ones that do are not Republicans. The country is very polarized. If a person is a "centrist" all that means is they dont really have any notion of the ideas of either side. most often they are not political at all. atleast in my experience.
 
Only A Retard Sometimes said:
yeah, the conventional lefties he speaks of dont exist anymore, and the ones that do are not Republicans. The country is very polarized. If a person is a "centrist" all that means is they dont really have any notion of the ideas of either side. most often they are not political at all. atleast in my experience.
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Or they don't want to call themselves Republican for fear of the social stigma in cities.
 
Jaimas said:
Back when I was in the Dem activist circuit, the one thing that always floored me was just how much common ground we had when we ran into our counterparts on the right. We would sometimes run into them while canvassing, and more often than not, we'd wind up swapping stories and laughing with one another at the Dunkin Donuts or something when we all were done. It was only then we both found out who we were working for, we had a solid laugh over it, and we counted it as a learning experience. Most of the time, we agreed on fundamental things, but differed in how best to address them.

That's actually one of the biggest advantages the right has, and many are too bitter to realize it - that there's tons they could find common cause in with their counterparts. Think of how often, in this very thread, you've seen people tar the entire left with the exact same brush, even though the elements pushing the most egregious shit in it are about as representative of how the left's voterbase actually feels as Youtube Rewind was of Youtube's viewerbase. On one hand, I can't blame them for it, the establishment sets the pattern and all the Autistic hard-lefties follow the marching orders. We all know how it is.

At the local level, you have much more in common with more conventional Lefties than you think, and given time, you can and will find a lot of common cause with them. The hard left is fucking terrified of this prospect, because if there's one thing they will never have, it's numbers. They're fringe, and while they'll act otherwise, they know it's the case. This is why every single effort is made to divide things, to pit people against one another, to force people to paint in broad strokes, when a finer hand is often needed.
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This is much of rural Ohio and I've mentioned the 2nd Congressional District before but it was majority rural Democrat even up to Romney, but they still sent a Republican congress critter to Washington and still do. The state Dems keep running Progressives to try and get the vote from the half of Cincy in the District and completely alienate the more socially conservative rural Dems. Having Cincy split in two like that infuriates the state Dems more than anything else because it denies them a perma-blue seat where they think they should have one. It's also why I laugh when people call A&N an echo chamber, any forum can be, but the political leanings of just the regulars in this thread and the previous one are all over the place. If wishing for sanity and laughing sadly at clown world makes us an echo chamber, so be it, it's not a bad one.

Also, just in general I wanted to touch on Glubb cycles, because I know I bring them up and I didn't get a chance to comment on the last discussion before the thread was closed and the drama happened. At its core a Glubb cycle is just an acknowledgement that cycles apply in government just like they generally do to history. History doesn't repeat so much as it rhymes and what the Glubb Cycle is charting is just, under all of it, how a people change over the course of 10-14 generations to something that is no longer a good fit for the style of government you started with. The Constitution is a fine government document for the Americans of the late 18th Century, but it's no longer governing those Americans and something has to give. Much like the Roman Republic worked when it was government purely Romans and started breaking down as the people it governed became less Roman. It's a guideline, not a hard and fast rule, and just because you slam face first into the end of one doesn't mean the end of a nation, but often just slipping from the position of biggest dog.
 
The Ugly One said:
David Hines is half right, and half full of shit.

It's borderline delusional to think the reason law enforcement can't roll up and prosecute antifa networks is because they're just so cleverly decentralized. If a Jan 6 protestor smashed a Capitol cop on the head with a bike lock, do you think he'd get to plea down to a trivial misdemeanor and handed a suspended sentence? If a bunch of disaggregated, unsorted, decentralized white supremacists started burning down buildings and smashing windows, do you think law enforcement would just stand by? The feds literally arrested 1/6 people and threw them in solitary without a trial or filing charges. They don't do that to antifa.

The strength of lefty organizers is they create noise to justify something that their allies in the Democratic Party wanted to do anyway. That's why they get results, while everything from the Tea Party to the Stop the Steal protests got zero traction. The biggest difference between violent Communists and your average Republican voter is that the latter has few to no real allies in a major political party. The average Republican politician finds Republican voters to be a distasteful, embarrassing crowd that he'd rather win without, and only panders to because he still can't figure out how to get those much more fashionable POC and educated white voters on his side.

This is also why antifa can't stage operations in red areas. If they don't have a sympathetic blue government, what will happen is they'll get shot by civilians and rounded up by cops. Nobody's going to entertain their shit. So step 1 is controlling key offices in government, not organizing riots.
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But there's also something to be said for ANTIFA's tactics are dressing alike and always wearing a mask.

Right wing protestors don't do this and it's a problem.
 
Oxous said:

Biden’s chief of staff leaked Breyer retirement to ‘limited’ group, Durbin says​

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President Joe Biden’s chief of staff leaked Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer’s plan to retire to "a limited group" on Wednesday, a top Democrat told reporters.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Richard Durbin told reporters he received a “surprise” call on Wednesday morning from White House chief of staff Ron Klain, who "said that President Biden wanted [Durbin] to know that Stephen Breyer was about to announce his retirement from the court.”

Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, said Klain told him to keep the news a secret and that Breyer planned to make an official announcement on Thursday.

Breyer, 83, was apparently blindsided Wednesday when the news leaked about his retirement and was widely reported by the media.

Breyer made his own announcement on Thursday, a day after Klain’s call to Durbin’s office.

“They were telling a limited number of people and that I should be keep it confidential,” Durbin said. “The official announcement will be made on Thursday. I said, of course I would.”

No one has specifically been connected with leaking the news to the media, and Durbin said he kept it mostly confidential, telling only his wife.

Two hours later, the media broke the story.

“That’s what confidential on Capitol Hill leads to, I guess,” Durbin said.

According to reporting by the Washington Examiner and other outlets, Breyer was not ready to make the announcement.

Fox News reported that Breyer was “blindsided,” while sources told the Washington Examiner that Breyer was just beginning the standard process of scaling back, with plans to announce his retirement at the end of the current term in several months.

"He is a by-the-book stickler for following protocol. You announce your retirement at the end of terms, not in the middle,” one insider told the Washington Examiner. “He did not plan for this to leak out. He was just beginning the standard process of winding down,” added the source.

The story was first reported by several news outlets. NBC said it obtained the information from “people familiar with [Breyer's] thinking.”

Breyer was under intense pressure to step down to ensure that Biden could appoint a liberal replacement who could be confirmed by a Democrat-led Senate.

Biden intends to announce a nominee to fill Breyer's seat at the end of February, and the process is likely to take weeks before a final vote on confirmation.

Biden has promised to select a black woman, and this time, Durbin said, he’s not in the loop.

Klain told Durbin it would be up to Biden, who has not decided yet.

“So I left it at that,” Durbin said.
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JohnDoe said:
I called it.
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Yah, was a pressure campaign. The question now is if he will go through with his retirement. While there is a lot of noise about the nominee, they can't actually nominate someone until he actually retires. Frankly, I doubt he has the spine to say "Fuck you", but it's funny to think of the consequences.

Jaimas said:
Back when I was in the Dem activist circuit, the one thing that always floored me was just how much common ground we had when we ran into our counterparts on the right. We would sometimes run into them while canvassing, and more often than not, we'd wind up swapping stories and laughing with one another at the Dunkin Donuts or something when we all were done. It was only then we both found out who we were working for, we had a solid laugh over it, and we counted it as a learning experience. Most of the time, we agreed on fundamental things, but differed in how best to address them.

That's actually one of the biggest advantages the right has, and many are too bitter to realize it - that there's tons they could find common cause in with their counterparts. Think of how often, in this very thread, you've seen people tar the entire left with the exact same brush, even though the elements pushing the most egregious shit in it are about as representative of how the left's voterbase actually feels as Youtube Rewind was of Youtube's viewerbase. On one hand, I can't blame them for it, the establishment sets the pattern and all the Autistic hard-lefties follow the marching orders. We all know how it is.

At the local level, you have much more in common with more conventional Lefties than you think, and given time, you can and will find a lot of common cause with them. The hard left is fucking terrified of this prospect, because if there's one thing they will never have, it's numbers. They're fringe, and while they'll act otherwise, they know it's the case. This is why every single effort is made to divide things, to pit people against one another, to force people to paint in broad strokes, when a finer hand is often needed.
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This is why my advice to my own employers is basically "Just remain consistent". Remain consistent on what you want, how you want to get it, and make sure you message that.

The Democrats you mention have largely gone quiet. They do not want to be linked to the insanity so they don't mention they are on the left. They do not want to just jump ship so they do not call themselves Republicans. But they do exist, and they speak in the loudest voice they can. Their vote.
 
Only A Retard Sometimes said:
yeah, the conventional lefties he speaks of dont exist anymore, and the ones that do are not Republicans. The country is very polarized. If a person is a "centrist" all that means is they dont really have any notion of the ideas of either side. most often they are not political at all. atleast in my experience.
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They're still around, they just are politically homeless now, and that, as I've discussed, is by design.

The ones that don't just flat-out go with Repubs - and there's a lot that don't, it has everything to do with the fact that the old lefties from my generation grew up with Neocons and Moral Majority crowd being the public image of the right that was put forth back then - will mostly claim to be independents or dodge the subject entirely until they think they're in good company. The ones that lack any fucks to give and will still stick to their guns like me, mostly out of being too old and tired to keep up the act as much as anything else are goddamn rare though.
The Ugly One said:
The conventional lefties I live around want homeless people to be allowed to shit on the sidewalks downtown and have some kind of hallucinatory fantasy about the bad side of town not actually being bad, it's just that the cops are racist. So we need to make sure people there don't get arrested when they rob stores or bust people in the face and HEY WHY DID SOMEBODY STEAL THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER FROM MY SUV :( :( :( :( :(
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Common in the blue HQ districts (people who think NYC is the worst example of this crap in NY have never seen Harrisburg, holy shit), But it falls into what I said above: Dems from my generation are still around, they still stick to the same principles, they still have the same beliefs, but good luck getting them to identify publicly as having anything to do with the modern left, especially on Social Media, where having an opinion to the right of Lenin is grounds for unpersonhood.

The reason I brought up what I did is that there are a host of modern leftists that separated from their pod of Twitter users, will actually be really interested in what you have to say. You'll never reach the true believers, but you will convince the ones who have already started to become disaffected by the cult, those who have seen through the lies, and those who aren't yet fully gone. I've certainly met enough of them myself, in my day.
 
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