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I'm sorry wut @Svetlana you might need to look into this I am sure these guys got it too especially Nick
i don't see what is supposed to be confusing here? This looks entirely logical as we know that Vic was in contact about this with about half of these people in some form. Slatosch, Rekieta, Haberkorn, Beard were all obviously going to be asked to hand over their relating conversations with Vic because those might include things that are needed for this case.
 
Seems like a stupid idea to kill Qrow unrelated to anything to do with Vic. He's one of the most popular characters in the show. Killing off Qrow is like the writers of The Walking Dead saying "Yeah, we just don't have anywhere left for Daryll to go so I guess it's time to kill him off." (I wouldn't put that past them, but to be fair they're basically the bottom of the barrel in terrible tv writing) - You just piss off your fanbase and lose a bunch of viewers instead of making him present in the background but irrelevant.

Interesting factoid I seem to remember was that Daryll was supposed to be killed off by the back end of Season 1 alongside his brother, hence why he's somewhat antagonistic throughout the first season of TWD TV show. It was Reedus himself tweaking the character and even getting some of his lines re-written that created Daryll that everyone loved and thus kept him from the chopping block.

Rob Kirkman himself actively kills off any character he enjoys writing in order to keep himself feeling fresh and challenging, hence Negan boiking Glen.

It's also generally why you let Reedus help you write the character, or contribute in order to get the best performance out of him, and was why he got in so well with Kojima during Silent Hills as he was working with Del Toro and Kojima to craft the SIlent Hills Protagonist and has had extensive input in creating Sam for Death Stranding.
 
i don't see what is supposed to be confusing here? This looks entirely logical as we know that Vic was in contact about this with about half of these people in some form. Slatosch, Rekieta, Haberkorn, Beard were all obviously going to be asked to hand over their relating conversations with Vic because those might include things that are needed for this case.
And I'm sure none of them will play chickenshit games with discovery, either.
 
Moving forward, is the TCPA entirely autonomous or do the parties have any opportunity to input on the process? If whoever is deciding the anti-SLAPP merits of the case does a god-awful job of it and decides the case is frivolous, is there some sort of appeal process?
 
That reminds me of the thing with Neil Kaplan and the piggyback rape. If you watch the full panel video from when that happened, Neil is having a great time until Vic shows up off stage at 5:00. The crowd starts cheering and Kaplan makes little passive aggressive quips "It's like having Brad Pitt walk out shirtless"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Krd8jL50rck
In Part 2 at 1:40 Vic asks if Neil and Cynthia have introduced themselves and Neil says "Oh please, like anyone cares about anybody to the left of you" and talks about reading online how much fans love Vic. Vic tries to joke it off but it's awkward.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rk__2SqH9SQ
Jfc. After Kaplans passive aggressive comments, I would have humped that assgaskets neck too.
 
i don't see what is supposed to be confusing here? This looks entirely logical as we know that Vic was in contact about this with about half of these people in some form. Slatosch, Rekieta, Haberkorn, Beard were all obviously going to be asked to hand over their relating conversations with Vic because those might include things that are needed for this case.
Barb Myers is Vic's mom, so not surprising she's in there either.

Edit: And apparently Alyssa and Veronica are members of Vic's fanclub.
 
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Those affidavits are beyond belief: one is from a person saying that Monica Rial (one of the people being sued for defamation and civil conspiracy in this lawsuit) told her that Vic is 100% a bad dude; while the other is from a Funimation employee (one of the parties being sued for defamation and civil conspiracy in this lawsuit) alleging that Vic is 100% a bad dude. Both with zero evidence!

Just like Casey's initial response to the lawsuit, this could just as easily be filed as proof against the parties, it's mind-blowing :lit:

I'll say one thing though for this TCPA motion: they really went all-out with it. For us it's clear this is utter rubbish: seeing 8 different Anime News Network articles being cited as serious evidence is the epitome of ludicrous but there's a chance a 140-page document trying to sell the idea might end up creeping on someone who's not paying due diligence and not really interested. We'll see how it goes and I gotta commend their defense for really putting their all on this but at the same time it's a desperation move when they're going all-out on a TCPA in the hopes that it will make what's obviously a serious lawsuit go away.


I will say this about Funi, they did Monica and Ron absolutely into the dirt with their portion so far. They completely threw them under the bus.

Looking at all of it, it'll probably be in favor of Funi to be dismissed from the lawsuit simply because of a technicality that they didn't outright participate in any defamation themselves, HOWEVER - they've completely set fire to MoRon's defense.

Ultimately it'll be up to the Judge to decide if it's enough rhetoric to dismiss on, but I'd say BHBH has been preparing since the day the case was born for this, so they're going to put up a very clear argument against the motion.

My best guess (not a lawyer) is that it's a partial dismissal.
 
Remember the "Ritalin Kid" phenomena that took hold back in the 90s when many parents decided their job was too hard and fed their normal kids the latest wonder cure? Ever wonder what the results would be when the Ritalin kids grew up? Kick Vic pretty much shows the answer.

Ah, so that’s what that South Park episode was based on.
 
Seems like a stupid idea to kill Qrow unrelated to anything to do with Vic. He's one of the most popular characters in the show. Killing off Qrow is like the writers of The Walking Dead saying "Yeah, we just don't have anywhere left for Daryll to go so I guess it's time to kill him off." (I wouldn't put that past them, but to be fair they're basically the bottom of the barrel in terrible tv writing) - You just piss off your fanbase and lose a bunch of viewers instead of making him present in the background but irrelevant. Not really the smartest move to make when one of your voice actresses got onto twitter and started telling RWBY fans to stop watching the show if they didn't agree with something happening in it. And that's without getting into how irritated fans will be who liked Vic's performance in particular. (I don't personally care and never knew Vic voiced him to begin with because it's unlike his normal voices, but then I think RWBY's been a garbage pile progressively lighting on fire since halfway into s3. Someone who actually cared about RWBY would likely have a much more aggressive opinion on it)



Man. I was willing to give him a pass for talking to Monica and Marchi. They're his coworkers(?), and it's not his fault he's picked to replace Vic anymore than Ian whatshisname is at fault for getting one of Vic's minor Funimation roles. But then he just had to include Ron.

What a shame.

Not a good look for Jason.



Their defense is seriously 'I decided three stories that did not contain harassment of any sort were credible indications of rampant harassment', huh? Really seems like they'd have been better off going with "We didn't find anything wrong, but I did find his voice annoying so we fired him anyway, which is technically a result of the investigation'.



Probably shouldn't have put his four disc collection of both DVDs and BDs prominently displayed in his photograph flexing about how smart and cultured he was, then. Then again, I guess he's such a cultured and smart anime fan that he has Card Captor Sakura, Disgaea, Tenchi Muyo (GX, I think?), Inuyasha and Ranma 1/2 in his collection, and can't figure out Vic voices one of the main characters in Tsubasa.

Oh yeah, he's also got One Punch Man there. Which is another Vic role. And at least one DVD of Dragonball. At this point he is either a sub watcher trying to flex about dubs he knows nothing about, or he just wanted good boy points by trying to dunk on Vic the Public Figure With Too Much Power's crippling irrelevancy and banked on people being too dazzled by his ugly wall clock to verify the anime in his bookcase.



Terez knows that it's rock solid despite being a VA and not a lawyer because she plays the less popular counterpart of a dragonball super character, and you just start being right about everything once you make it big.



Uncensored Huniepop is absolutely a hentai game. The girls send you various nudes and hentai pictures of them as you build your relationship, and then when you max out their affection you play a game where they make porn noises as their clothes fall off, and afterward display a picture of them in a post-sex position with bodily fluids on them. Even the censored version that put underwear on them in those images was basically borderline h-game. The only reason it got mainstream was because the dev had a strange kink for putting actual gameplay in it between those scenes.



You are the first person I've ever seen who apparently doesn't find the Japanese female seiyuus in hentai to be the most annoying and grating screechy things on this planet.



I think the discord is really what burned Marchi. She might have gotten away with a slap on the wrist if it had just been the tweet, especially if they couldn't directly connect her to the rest of the conspiracy. She'd just have been an opportunistic defamer with an axe to grind, like AWL. That's why they freaked out so hard when the discord got leaked and tried to meme it into a joke. I suspect discovery of that discord is going to utterly ruin Marchi's position (and maybe help cement civil conspiracy, since two other prominent hangers-on were involved), and they all know it.



Dom doesn't seem to have done much of any impact to Vic, but she's so annoying I hope she gets roped into the lawsuit anyway. She's a jumped-up sagging cosplay woman who thinks she's someone important because Chris Sabat flirted with her a few times and she managed to cozy up to Monica. Imagine some random real life friend of Tom Cruise peacocking around twitter like they were someone important just because they'd befriended a super star. That's Dominique, but 5000x more pathetic and willingly throwing herself into a civil conspiracy lawsuit.




These two sets of quotes really just blows GIGANTIC holes into their claim that they were 'just trolling'. There's not a hint of a joke in these tweets. Aside from Horsemouth being irreverent and Marchi making a crack about Jack later, there's no reason to believe they're lying about their connections to Funimation. They're claiming to have secret information, they're using their personal connections to Funimation to increase the authority of their claims, and there is no clarifying tweet attached to that saying 'this is a joke, idiots'.

My conclusion is that it was never a joke, it was always a purposeful attempt to increase the weight and validity of their claims by announcing how they're the people who did the investigation and made the decision (just like Samantha claimed to), and they just never banked on being called on it. Even if someone did research and outed those as lies, it wouldn't undo the damage, because most people would still believe they were agents of Funimation and they could fall back on 'we weren't actually lying, it was a joke', to everyone else. They were just too dumb to understand that doing so was making it worse for them legally, because they expected Vic to go off and (literally) die.

RT is replacing Vic with some dude named Jason whatshisname, Qrow isn't getting killed.
 
I will say this about Funi, they did Monica and Ron absolutely into the dirt with their portion so far. They completely threw them under the bus.

I don't think they were at all impressed with MoRon doing it to them first. Casey may have killed Monica's career for good with that stunt.
 
i don't see what is supposed to be confusing here? This looks entirely logical as we know that Vic was in contact about this with about half of these people in some form. Slatosch, Rekieta, Haberkorn, Beard were all obviously going to be asked to hand over their relating conversations with Vic because those might include things that are needed for this case.

Yeah, this is totally normal, especially if some of the questioning in Vic's depo was who he's talked to about the case.

Moving forward, is the TCPA entirely autonomous or do the parties have any opportunity to input on the process? If whoever is deciding the anti-SLAPP merits of the case does a god-awful job of it and decides the case is frivolous, is there some sort of appeal process?

There will be a hearing for it. BHBH will also file a response to the motion, but there's no deadline for that outside of just before the hearing, which must be set for 60 days or less from the date of filing the TCPA motion. There is an appeal process if they dismiss all claims, but if only some claims are dismissed, then those dismissed claims can't be appealed, I think. Mind you, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just doing my best in reading seemingly relevant documents. I could be wrong on the last part, but everything else is pretty clear, I think.
 
I hate how the chucklefucks from KickVic think that unknowingly making "people feel uncomfortable by a hug or a kiss on the cheek or forehead" is now degraded into sexual assault, and they have been pinning this as to why Vic should kill himself and never come back from the anime industry. I don't know how the fuck they are able to victimize themselves to the point of delusion and never told Vic to fuck off because they were "scared".

I'll go one step further. I think Vic did do something inappropriate at some point. Not the hugs and kisses that fans ask him for, or that he does as part of being a friendly guy. I bet every line of fans had at least 1 fan who didn't want a kiss, but didn't know how to say "no thanks". I bet a few times he went to put a hand around a waist for a picture and it wound up on a thigh or a butt--not maliciously, but he didn't think it was a big deal, and whatever con heard about it didn't think so either. And I bet he made a pass at one or more of his female coworkers without checking the HR manual first.

But KV people went straight from "uncomfortable intrusion on personal boundaries" to sexual harassment, assault, rape, and pedophilia. They wanted to ruin his life and his reputation, permanently. They can fuck right off.

It is impossible to meet with tens of thousands of people without offending some of them. It is impossible to hug tens of thousands of people without some of those hugs going wrong. Even if you assume a 1% "failure" rate, that's 100+ cases. (Maybe Ron's hundred women was a mathematical construct, instead of actual women!) I'm not willing to crucify a person for 99% good intentions and 1% awkwardness.

And to be blunt, we reference Vic's infidelity to his fiance in passing sometimes; but that is the biggest "smoke from a fire" signal here. Not ManJaw's ever-changing complaints, or Ron's elusive 100 women, or 96 counts of hearsay on Tumblr. Getting to the point where you'll cheat is a sign that you weren't 100% careful with your righteousness in that area.

I want Vic to win, not because he's A Good Christian Boy. I want him to win because, while I'm sure someone somewhere was made uncomfortable, we have yet to hear of any malicious acts that warrants his destruction. We have yet to hear of any assault, anywhere.

It's all "inappropriate behavior", as judged by neo-Puritan scolds. It's all "being creepy", as reported by sexual libertines and deviants. The single solitary incident we have on record that sounds bad, is Monica's suspect story of being kissed in a hotel room... which, if true, sounds like she botched a consent signal, or Vic didn't act on it. That merits a huge apology and reconciliation.

But it took a freaking lawsuit to even get that out; the lynch mob formed up without it, and does not get to retroactively justify their actions.
 
It is impossible to meet with tens of thousands of people without offending some of them. It is impossible to hug tens of thousands of people without some of those hugs going wrong.
Fact. Matter of fact i know from accounts of friends of mine that they met several anime voice actors over the years and THOSE VAs initiated hugs that my friends didn't like. But there's a key difference. My friends just decided "fuck it that happens." and moved the fuck on.
 
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