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Discussing how to treat people in a pinch, booboo kits, etc. Here's a Youtube playlist of common first aid practices.


And a quick infographic:

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Note that this thread is purely informational for ad-hoc emergencies, and is not a substitute for seeking proper medical attention.
 
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Found a Survival book compilations I downloaded a couple of years ago, think some of them cover the basics pretty well but quite lot to digest/partly outdated.
'Wound Closure Manual.pdf'
Where-There-Is-No-Doctor.pdf
Where-There-is-No-Dentist-Murray-Dickson.pdf
USMC-Wilderness-Medicine-Course.pdf
survival-personal-wilderness-medical-kit.pdf
'Survival Medicine.pdf'
'Survival and Austere Medicine.pdf'
'medical – wilderness med kit.pdf'
'medical – the guide to alternative therapies for cancer.pdf'
'medical – surgery for victims of war.pdf'
'medical – safe burial practices.pdf'
'medical – philadelphia guide to a healthy birth.pdf'
'medical – pesticides are poison.pdf'
'medical – pandemic flu citizens guide.pdf'
'medical – migraine.pdf'
'medical – medical emergencies.pdf'
'medical – mass casualty planning and burial.pdf'
'medical – making an herbal tincture.pdf'
'medical – isolation planning.pdf'
'medical – intradermal injections.pdf'
'medical – hypochorites.pdf'
'medical – how medicine should be use.pdf'
'medical – home remedies.pdf'
'medical – holistic and alternative medicine 101.pdf'
'medical – herba.pdf'
'medical – herbal manual.pdf'
'medical – gluten free.pdf'
'medical – food-borne illnesses.pdf'
'medical – flu home treatment.pdf'
'medical – first aid and management of minor injuries.pdf'
'medical – face masks.pdf'
'medical – emergency childbirth.pdf'
'medical – emergency childbirth 2.pdf'
'medical contraindications.pdf'
'medical – cholera.pdf'
'medical – bird flu diagnosis and personal hygiene.pdf'
'medical – basics of herbalism.pdf'
'medical – army field manual. treatment of biological warfare agent casualties.pdf'
'medical – a complete handbook of nature cures.pdf'
'HHS Pandemic Influenza Plan.pdf'
Full-First-Aid-Manual-FM-2111.pdf
'Emergency War Surgery.pdf'
'A Manual for Midwives.pdf'
Edit link to above: file.io/4WnkwnPWXK4X

Snippet on closing Wounds:

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Masturbator said:
mind giving the link to the thing?
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Ditto.

I found the PDF files for some of that list on Internet Archive in case anyone wants to get them and share links while they're there.

Where-There-Is-No-Doctor.pdf
Where-There-is-No-Dentist-Murray-Dickson.pdf
USMC-Wilderness-Medicine-Course.pdf
Full-First-Aid-Manual-FM-2111.pdf
A Manual for Midwives.pdf'

There's also this from the UK government called 'The Ship Captain's Medical Guide', about 228 pages in different chapters on pdf files. They withdrew the doc in 2019 and now there's an updated version that's only available for purchase but they still have all the pdf files on the government webpage with a 'withdrawn document' text over each page but it's still readable.
 
At the cost of shilling, Dark Angel Medical is great and it helped me when someone broke their leg and had an open fracture when I was on a hike in Arizona. Do you guys carry IFAKs(individual first aid kits)? If so, which ones? Is there anything special in yours? My experience taught me I need extra bandages.
 
There's one of these for 'culinary medicine', but let's look at a shorter term scenario where the shit will be put back under control in a matter of weeks, but you need to get through those few weeks during which everyone is going to panic, loot, lose their shit and riot.
So, medfags, what are the most important medicines to stock up on and have to hand in a situation like that?

People who are reliant on certain medications to live (insulin etc) should obviously try to hold a number of weeks' stock of them if they can. Those people generally do, though. Stuff like asthma inhalers etc.

What about the average pleb though? What would be most useful?

I tried to put some basics together in a list:

- Pain relief: paracetamol, ibuprofen, aspirin
- Bottled disinfectant
- Bleach (is not a medicine but you will be damn sorry if you don't have any)
- Plenty bandages and dressings
- Antibiotics if these are something you can source without prescription

What else?
 
Really depends if you want to dress rioting wounds or just sit at your isolated farm. A bottle of antibiotics, and diarrhea meds aren't a bad idea. The former do expire and become toxic.
 
Antihistamines like Benadryl and Claritin.
Antifungal medications like Clotrimazole and Fluconazole would be a good idea as well probably.
Antihelminthics (anti-parasite medication) would be really useful as well in most cases. (If not for yourself then for any pets you have).
 
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Tourniquet and a IFAK.

Make sure its a North American Rescue TQ and not something off amazon or another knock off. IFAKs can either be custom packed or ordered off any reputable person who knows their stuff BUT I will say this for purchase:

chest seals 2x
quick clotting gauze
NAR bandage
abdominal trauma pad
gorilla tape (I keep it wrapped around my old college ID)

You can also add a sam splint too.

I usually have this on my belt for competitions and LARPs, more on my plate carrier. For EDC I just have a TQ and quick clot gauze in a pocket or all of this in a fanny pack. This is more of an emergency bleed medical situation than general meds... I just have a random boo boo kit I picked up tossed in my car or in my camping stuff.
 
Suture kits, anything quick clotting, bandages, bleach, and any type of antiseptic.

Those are a must
 
Big thing to remember is that First aid is very similar to fixing a car. If its moving and its not supposed to move, duct tape it.,

If its bleeding, make it stop bleeding.

There are various ways to do this. Tourniquets, pressure dressings and wat not. Much easier to do when its an extremity that its injured. Torso injuries are much harder, especially if its a sucking chest wound. On top of stopping the bleeding, you also have to stop air from entering the chest cavity. This will deflate the persons lungs.

Oddly enough, Duct tape is an excellent tool for all these problems. Need to put a pressure dressing on someone? Cover the wound with a strip of gauze or cloth, then roll another piece of cloth into a ball. Place the ball overtop the dressing and duct tape that bitch as tight as possible.

Got a sucking chest wound? Cover that shit with cloth or gauze and then duct tape it air tight.

Someone got a broken bone? Stabilize it with two stick for support in a makeshift splint, and then duct tape that bitch until its immobile.

Duct Tape. Never leave home without it.
 
Don't forget to have some surgical scissors because in a real emergency you don't want to be fucking asking other people if they have scissors. It's easy to forget them but they really come in handy when working with dressings.

Remember that if you don't want to get meds through a prescription for yourself there are a lot of meds you can buy for "veterinary supplies" and adjust the dosages yourself, but anything narcotic or antibiotic will still need a vet prescription. Still generally easier to get meds for fido than for yourself sometimes, unless you have a good relationship with your doctor.

Stock up on 100% virgin coconut oil too because in a pinch it can be used as an antiseptic salve in place of real meds.
 
You more or less hit the nail on the head, though a reminder to be careful with non opiate painkillers. A lot of them tend to be nsaids so there's very little benefit to taking them together and more risk. Should be aspirin OR ibuprofen, not and. They're both nsaids and in high enough doses they'll make your blood thin, which will generally make wounds much worse. Tylenol is not an nsaid so it's relatively fine to take with an nsaid but I'd still alternate between them every dose.
 
Emergency dental kits would be good. You can buy kits to repair crowns as well as temporary filling for cavities. Buy from a decent pharmacy or trusted outlet though, they aren't too expensive and it's not worth cheaping out where tooth pain is concerned.
 
Millions of snowbirds visit Mexican border towns every winter to stock up on cheap generic RX meds -- often cheaper than the insurance copay. You don't need to show a script to buy them. You need a passport to get back into the US. Yes you can talk your way back in with other ID but you'll be delayed and hassled. You can be fined if you try it repeatedly. Don't fuck with ICE, don't lecture them about knowing your rights, don't be a dick. Don't be memorable in other words.

You can bring back a 90 day supply of rx meds for your own use through US customs. No controlled substances, but no other restrictions. Don't come and go every effing day like you're hoarding or reselling.

The one I have the most experience with is Algodones, just a few miles from Yuma, AZ. Walk across the border and you'll find a clean, safe, friendly town full of pharmacies, dentists, and optometrists. And great Mexican food. And groceries. Don't bring back fresh produce, anything else except Cuban rum and cigars is fine.

Meds to buy: penicillin and/or Z-packs for infections. Anti-fungals like Diflucan for ladies' yeast infections -- one pill and it's gone in a couple days. The idea of antibiotics expiring and turning toxic is overhyped. Keep them cool and dry and they're okay for years.

Anything you take daily for maintenance, eg heart, digestive, diabetes, migraine, asthma, non-controlled psych meds if you use them, etc. Names of meds might be different, ask for the brand name and they'll get you the generic. Some are different dosage sizes than you get in the US -- be prepared to split pills if you need smaller doses.

Get your shopping done early in the day. Don't wait till the line is several hours long. Pay cash if you can. They all tack on a premium for credit cards. They aren't going to take your insurance. Don't buy bottled water from street vendors while lining up for customs -- they refill used bottles. Algodones tap water is perfectly safe to drink but who the hell knows what's on the bottles themselves.

Lots of nice friendly people will guide you to dentists, eye doctors, etc. They earn a commission on this. Don't worry about it. They'll also be happy to give you directions yo whatever else you're looking for. These guys speak good English. Clerks in the pharmacies speak just enough to grab the meds you want and make the sale. Check med labels before you complete the sale -- rarely they'll get the wrong thing.

Some of the dentists and other med pros live in the US and commute daily to Mexico. Think about the economics of this -- no insurance to deal with (yours or theirs), no back office staff to pay, just a receptionist. That's how a teeth cleaning costs $30, fillings $70, crowns $250. I hear that things like dental implants are a fraction of what they are in the US.

Eyeglasses can be a good deal but only if your prescription is pretty ordinary. High diopters, high index lenses, progressives all end up nearly the same as what you'd pay at Walmart or Costco.

Bargain for souvenirs from sidewalk vendors. Pottery, blankets, leather goods can be good buys. There are a few beggars but it's not terrible like in other places.

Have fun.
 
Never use tetracycline or tetracycline derivatives (doxycycline etc) as long-term stored antibiotics.

The overwhelming majority of medications will keep for 30+ years and lose only a very modest amount of potency. You will not even have to change dosage most times.

However, tetracycline deteriorates into toxic byproducts. Any other medications may be safely used long, long after their "expiration" date, as long as they have been stored in a place free from vermin, moisture, and truly outlier temperatures (talking under -40 or above 120 for long durations here).
 
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