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Not much helpful to the thread but i found this interesting tweet by Kate (the woman shilling Betterhelp with Shane Dawson and Jacksepticeye)

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lol are we sure this woman is a licenced therapist?
 
NotATurkey said:
Being a member of the community myself and seeing how these people work, many of them will do sponsorships without looking into them or really considering what kind of stupid shit they are promoting. Shane’s videos where he sits on a couch and pretends to be emotional are so fucking bad, and just filler space to serve for sponsors. He probably made upwards of 30,000 dollars just for the better help sponsorship in a video where he basically just dramatized a mental disorder to make middle schoolers feel like theyre expert psychologists. Another good rabbit hole to look into it the edurdie sponsorship hole, theres some funny shit in there. Anyway, have a nice day.
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nice try turkey tom we know it's you.
Seriously though, everyone and their mother is shilling Shane Dawson's new series just because Jake Paul is the person to hate now, which makes it odd since Shane is trivializing sociopathy... Only to shill therapy to try and cure depression in his audience...
 
araiguma said:
Philip Defranco made a statement abt it
https://twitter.com/PhillyD/status/1047634621439963136
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https://twitter.com/PhillyD/status/1047636790717214720
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What an absolute non-answer on behalf of both parties. DeFranco always struck me as a slimy guy, back when a co-worker suggested his stuff. Live by the shekel, die by the shekel.

I did do some cross-checking of my own on some of the counselors advertised by BetterHelp, but nothing noteworthy came up for me to keep digging. Two chicks on the list were "quirky" (I'll have to go back and check which ones) but I saw nothing alarming.

EDIT: The two women are Lacey Allen-Watkins, LMHC, CAP, DCC and Dr. Kelly Baez, PhD, LPC, NCC. Compared to the other therapists I looked into, these two seemed like the type to push other scams like typical woo, but that's just conjecture on my part.
 
I'm really fucking happy Phillip linked that page because at the very very bottom of those thousands and thousands of extremely qualified people who I'm sure their full time staff of 10 or so manage to deal with adequately, there's this notice.

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The TeleMental Health Institute is shilled by BetterHelp, which is owned by the parent company TelaDoc, directly promoted by InfluenceLogic.

When I saw this I didn't think it had anything to do with TeleDoc because it looks like just the shittiest fucking scam site in the world. It also lists BetterHelp as an affiliate on their affiliate page.

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You be accredited for just $400 on this shit looking site.

One of the other sites CreatorHealth.org promotes is this other company, not that they want to admit it because they have deleted their partner list, (fake!) media mention list, and partner company list since yesterday.

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Got the receipts tho nigga.
Special mention of them deleting this, which I cannot corroborate being real.

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The other two sites they advertise are Counseling Near Me and Free Online Therapy.

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Interesting, so this Free Online Thera -- wait what the fuck

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PSYCHICS? I thought this was for therapy!

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This links to this other site called Keen which is owned by Ingenio, LLC.

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Ingenio, LLC appears to be a lot like TelaDoc in that they sell self-help shit.

I should mention at this point that every single one of these websites is using GoDaddy as a registrar and has paid-for WHOIS protection. None of these websites are at all transparent about who operates them and from where.

This entire rat nest just seems like a circlejerk of inadequate service providers using some slick marketing group to penetrate a very large and valuable audience of depressed kids to rob them of their fucking college grocery money.
 

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I wonder if Katie's got one of these hanging up somewhere, if not she might wanna look into it, make it look more official lol...
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Now that I got the shitpost out of the way, just wanna say that I'm glad this story getting some kind of traction. This is a really deep rabbit hole indeed.
 
Null said:
I should mention at this point that every single one of these websites is using GoDaddy as a registrar and has paid-for WHOIS protection. None of these websites are at all transparent about who operates them and from where.

This entire rat nest just seems like a circlejerk of inadequate service providers using some slick marketing group to penetrate a very large and valuable audience of depressed kids to rob them of their fucking college grocery money.
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I came across mind-diagnostics.org while searching the BetterHelp counselors, who is also affiliated with this site. It looked sketchy, but now that I know that this is some terrible rat nest, it clicked in my head. The site offers similar services related to mental health. mind-diagnostics also has GoDaddy as its registrar. The connection is tenous at best, but something to maybe look into. I'd dig deeper if I wasn't on mobile.

Lacy Allen-Watkins on Mind Diagnostics (archive)
Lacy Allen-Watkins on BetterHelp (archive)
 
wes said:
I came across mind-diagnostics.org while searching the BetterHelp counselors, who is also affiliated with this site. It looked sketchy, but now that I know that this is some terrible rat nest, it clicked in my head. The site offers similar services related to mental health. mind-diagnostics also has GoDaddy as its registrar. The connection is tenous at best, but something to maybe look into. I'd dig deeper if I wasn't on mobile.
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Its likely that these therapists have accounts with all the different online teledoc shit, like how Uber drivers often do Lyft.
 
When I read "BetterHelp" I quickly remembered Blaire White. She had video with their advertisement a year ago, and she's on the list.

However, there is one thing that makes Blaire different from these scumbags: she stated it loud and clear she was sponsored by them, she has too much integrity to not shill it like Shane.

You may think of me as a white knight of the tranny guard, I don't mind, but I think this observation worth noting.
 
Dylan said:
When I read "BetterHelp" I quickly remembered Blaire White. She had video with their advertisement a year ago, and she's on the list.

However, there is one thing that makes Blaire different from these scumbags: she stated it loud and clear she was sponsored by them, she has too much integrity to not shill it like Shane.

You may think of me as a white knight of the tranny guard, I don't mind, but I think this observation worth noting.
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Shilling is still shilling mate
 
Null said:
The other two sites they advertise are Counseling Near Me and Free Online Therapy.

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Interesting, so this Free Online Thera -- wait what the fuck

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PSYCHICS? I thought this was for therapy!

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This links to this other site called Keen which is owned by Ingenio, LLC.

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Ingenio, LLC appears to be a lot like TelaDoc in that they sell self-help shit.

I should mention at this point that every single one of these websites is using GoDaddy as a registrar and has paid-for WHOIS protection. None of these websites are at all transparent about who operates them and from where.

This entire rat nest just seems like a circlejerk of inadequate service providers using some slick marketing group to penetrate a very large and valuable audience of depressed kids to rob them of their fucking college grocery money.
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Damn, I should have posted that when I saw it last night. I tried digging into Ingenio a little bit last night but didn't see any direct links to BetterHelp.

Based on WHOIS data, both ingenio.com and keen.com share the address of 201 Mission St, Suite 200 in San Francisco, and the same phone number, 415-248-4000.
However, Google Maps shows Ingenio is at 182 Howard St, #826, roughly across the street and down the block. Ingenio.com contact page shows the same address. Perhaps they moved since the data was last updated.
Oddly enough, the registered phone number was showing up on whitepages.com for a UPS Store in the same building. Google Maps, however, doesn't list that phone number for Ingenio or the UPS Store. I have not called it.
 
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