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In the course of becoming a glowy, applicants must go through a process to determine if they are of proper character to be given access to glowy systems. During this process, they may be denied. Like all denials from the government, the applicant has the right to appeal. However, as a consequence, their appeal becomes public. The public appeals are cataloged and indexed by...

THE DEFENSE OFFICE OF HEARINGS AND APPEALS

DOHA Decisions Archive
DOHA Appeals Board

Jumping right into it...

Case 1: 23-02490

Coomer tries it

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Outcome: DENIED

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Case 2: 24-00027

Passport bro gets bilked for $$$ and then tries to get in

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Outcome: DENIED

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Case 3: 02-25016

Mini Boss Man Jack applies...

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Wholesomepilled ending:
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Outcome: Accepted

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There are a LOT of reports out there, and I've read only a small portion of them. There is no doubt a lot of funny stuff to see in them. To find some for yourself, use

site:doha.ogc.osd.mil "[YOUR SEARCH TERMS]"
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in your search engine of choice. I've seen the same search give different results on different search engines, so try multiple to find more content.

Both glowies and glowy applicants are investigated, so some are denied and others are revoked.
 

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Energy Department has its own version:


For those who did not know, the Energy Department is not just involved in power plants/the electric grid. It is responsible for nearly all aspects of making nuclear weapons + military reactors with its own clearance process, appeals board, and even a whole category of classified information (Restricted Data) that other agencies cannot access without special permission. The military only takes custody of the hardware once it's ready for use (as in, the weapon is ready to detonate/the ship is fit for deployment).

I remember reading one where a guy was clearly an undercover spy for a hostile country
(ETA) Choice tidbits from that one (notes - QNSP = Questionnaire for National Security Positions i.e. clearance application, the Individual is the clearance applicant, and Country X is blacked out. I assume this is for privacy because Country X would presumably know the guy's clearance was rejected.):
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(ETA) Another likely foreign spy who was too incompetent to get through. In a world with crypto I'm baffled why . . . whatever entity was bankrolling him went through a semi-honest company like PayPal.
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And another where a guy lied for years about falling for a woman who may have worked in foreign intelligence
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This level of redaction is not normal, since sensitive country is code for adversaries along with 'friends' that might be interested in US military secrets (e.g. Israel and Taiwan) I suspect the guy was one or more of intelligence, anti-proliferation, or some kind of support for the State Department.
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Notes - Restricted Data relates to scientific/engineering/manufacturing details of nuclear weapons/reactors, Formerly Restricted Data relates to military use of nuclear weapons, and Sigma is restricted data so sensitive (it starts at details of how nuclear detonation works and goes up from there) that access is tightly controlled and even people who do have access usually only get access to 1 or 2 subcategories.
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I have no idea what he was thinking here, unless counterintelligence is inept or compromised I would expect it to report anything it finds to security.
 
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Judge Mark Harvey calls it a she the whole time (ISCR Case No. 24-00695)
Applicant is a 42-year-old senior principle cyber software engineer systems
administrator who has worked for the same defense contractor for about nine years. From
2007 to 2016, the DOD employed her as an information systems security engineer. In
2005, she was awarded a bachelor’s degree in computer science, and in 2007, she was
awarded a master’s degree in computer science and a master’s degree from the DOD
school. Her father is a retired U.S. Navy captain, who served 26 years in the Navy.
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The reasons for denial of her security clearance are more persuasive. Applicant
falsely denied or minimized her viewing and possession of about 5,000 images of child
pornography while she was a DOD employee overseas in 2013 and 2014. Her failures to
be forthright and candid about security-relevant conduct show a lack acceptance of
responsibility and a lack of credibility, rehabilitation, judgment, and trustworthiness.
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He explains how Critical Grooming Theory dictates he was a prepubescent girl at age 30, and this granted him immunity to obsessively skinwalk young girls and goon out to CSAM on the clock:
Applicant believed she was pre-adolescent or during adolescence when she was
downloading images of children on her computer in 2013 to 2014 even though she was
chronologically about 30 years old. (Tr. 37-40) She explained she was biologically or
physically an adolescent in 2016, which was three or four years after she downloaded
child pornography. She said:
So, I think that I can pretty confidently say that yes, this happened prior to
adolescence as I experienced it. I think it gets to be kind of complicated, I
think you kind of indicate that there is a social aspect to adolescence. . . .
[It] is also important to recognize the biological and chemical aspect of
adolescence. . . . I was taking estrogen for the first time, my body was
receiving it in very much the same way that cis gendered women receive
their estrogen when they first start puberty at 9, 10, 11, however old it is.
And so in a very real sense I went through feminine puberty over the last
eight years. . . . [T]here has been a lot of development biologically, and
psychologically through that process of receiving estrogen, and processing
it, and everything that comes naturally, biologically through that. . . . [Blood
tests showed her testosterone levels were very low and] I’m not confident
that you could say that I had completed even male adolescence in the same
way that cis men would have completed it. . . . I think that this happened
during or prior to, depending on how you want to look at it, my adolescence.
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She was drawn to and envious of their developing female identities. [She] became nearly obsessed with searching
for images of teenage girls. She reports that these teen modeling sites were all legal, and no girls were depicted in sexual poses.
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Applicant believed her conduct downloading sexual images of children was not a
crime. She denied that she engaged in sexual behavior because “for me, it was purely
aesthetic, purely being able to project my sense of self onto an image that felt like me.”
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Applicant’s possession of child pornography was in 2013 to 2014
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At her hearing, Applicant said: she suffered from gender dysphoria in 2013 to 2014;
her intention was not to receive sexual gratification from the pictures she downloaded
from the Internet, instead she found them to be soothing; and she did not consider the
pictures of children to be pornographic.
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Pozzed shrink assures us the troon is stable and balanced:
Applicant told Dr. K that “no girls were depicted in sexual poses. She stated that
she has never searched for or viewed child pornography.” (AE G) This was not true.
However, I accept Dr. K’s diagnosis as accurate that she “has no sexual diagnosis or
problematic mental health dynamics related to her sexual makeup. She lacks any
psychological functioning problems.”
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He left behind a wife and kids who he definitely won't murder this year to own the Nazis. Of course glowfags are still part of clown world so these mental health and sexual conditions are not "diagnosable":
good relationship with her ex-wife and children. After
conducting my evaluation of [Applicant], I believe she has no uncontrolled
issues with online pornography, no diagnosable mental health or sexual
conditions, including pedophilia
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Glowies claim men who snap into murder sprees when misnamed are not vulnerable to coercion exploitation or duress! :story: Horrifying if they actually believe middle-aged pedotroons can become stable and that he hasn't already relapsed.
Applicant was able to stop possessing child pornography, and she is not vulnerable to coercion, exploitation, or
duress because security officials and law enforcement are aware of her involvement with child pornography
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Judge Juan J. Riviera (ISCR Case No. 20-00556)
Applicant was diagnosed with a fetishistic disorder; engaged in sexual behavior of a
compulsive nature related to diapers; sought imagery related to diapers for arousal and
masturbation purposes; inadvertently viewed child pornography multiple times; has
stolen diapers; feels significant shame and anxiety associated with his sexual
predilections; and does not want his sexual behavior to be discovered by others.
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Applicant’s interest in diapers started when he was five-six years old. He would
occasionally wear his younger sister’s diapers. When he was 10 years old, he became
sexually aroused when he touched the outside of a two-year-old’s diaper. At age 15, he
masturbated after holding his infant cousin in a diaper. While in high school, he stole a
package of diapers because he was too embarrassed to pay for them. Between 2007
and 2012, he used diapers at least once a week for sexual gratification. He wears the
diapers at home when he is alone. He enjoys to excrete and to masturbate in the
diapers. Applicant denied feeling aroused by any stimuli other than the diapers (i.e.,
men, women, children, naked bodies, breasts, etc.). He repeatedly denied any sexual
attraction to children.

Applicant admitted to doing many internet searches for diapers and viewing
images of children wearing diapers (at least once a week during a six-month period). He
denied that this images were of a sexual nature. He viewed the images because he is
sexually aroused by the diapers, and not who is wearing them. He unintendedly viewed
child pornography many times up until two or three years before his 2019 mental
evaluation. The feeling that he was doing something wrong when he searched for
children in diapers became too much for him to ignore, and he has been trying to stop
his behavior. Applicant repeatedly explained that he has never been aroused by
children or adults regardless of the sex, and he has never sought out child pornography.
His fixation is with the actual diapers.

Applicant experienced disgust and shame in response to the unintended viewing
of child pornography and immediately discontinued the image search. To stop
inadvertently accessing child pornography, he began viewing drawings of children and
adults wearing diapers while dressed in animal costumes (the “furry community”). The
drawings and he “furry community” provide him with gratification. During the last 10
years, Applicant has been making a concerted effort to stay away from all children. He
does not want to put himself in a position where he potentially could inappropriately
touch a child.
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Applicant believes that his participation in the security hearing and testifying about his fetish
demonstrate that he has improved substantially managing his depression and anxiety
and that he cannot be blackmailed or manipulated by someone who may gain
knowledge of his sexual preferences. He promised to disclose any attempts to
manipulate him to security officials and never to divulge classified information.
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He limits his behavior to wearing diapers himself, sexually
interacting with diapers (without others present), and viewing diaper-related
pornographic cartoons typical of the “furry community” (not involving people).

AG ¶ 13(b) is established by the evidence. Applicant’s diaper fetish is
compulsive. He continues to wear diapers and seeks sexual release by masturbating in
the diapers. He also continues to seek images of “things” wearing diapers.
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Judge Juan concludes clearance should be granted:
I considered that Applicant displayed poor judgment when he continued
searching the Internet for “diaper images” after the first time he saw a child pornography
image as a result of his search. Notwithstanding, he stopped his questionable behavior
in 2016, and has taken measures to prevent recurrence. Applicant understands the
possible criminal consequences, social stigma, and adverse effects on his security
clearance eligibility if he were to repeat his questionable behavior.
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Awesome thread idea :semperfidelis:
 

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Where are they getting all this info? So if someone wants a coveted spot working as a glowie or on a glowie contract you have to go under some fed inquisitor who will make them spill every single deepest darkest secret they've ever held? And then it seems like there is an element of judgement in the process and you'll have to cry and beg for forgiveness from Mr. glowie? Seems like a process that would disproportionately favor boring NPC women and psycho men. Which would explain a lot.
 
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Where are they getting all this info? So if someone wants a coveted spot working as a glowie or on a glowie contract you have to go under some fed inquisitor who will make them spill every single deepest darkest secret they've ever held?
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No, you're only seeing the most extreme cases because most people who put in for a clearance either get it on initial review (only appeals make it into the public record) or don't bother appealing their denial, and then Kiwis have distilled it further. I have read through a bunch of clearance appeals and the overwhelming majority are boring, mostly just garden variety drunks + deadbeats.

Here is the standard clearance application. Would-be glowies have to disclose a bunch of things the Feds could probably pull on their own (names/addresses of immediate family, financial/credit history, court history, and recent residences) plus a few things they might not (recreational drug use, treatment for alcohol use, treatment for select psych issues). The feds do not go full inquisitor unless something in there is a potential red flag or they think the applicant is lying (including lies by omission), and even then it has to be serious enough to potentially deny/revoke the clearance. They usually don't care about trivial errors and they care even less if you catch the error before they do.

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And then it seems like there is an element of judgement in the process and you'll have to cry and beg for forgiveness from Mr. glowie?
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Yeah, the proper title for these people is 'administrative law judge' (ALJ) and they combine the worst parts of common law (judges interpret the law) with the worst parts of civil law (low to no consideration of precedent, no right to trial by jury).

They aren't just a clearance thing either, they are ubiquitous in the executive branch. Ken 'Popehat' White remarked that ALJs screw people over worse, with less due process, than any regular judge he had seen. This was in a post about how a guy he had repeatedly accused of extortion was going to be tried by an ALJ, so he had every reason to downplay how harsh the process would be.

ETA: Here is the criteria for (potentially) disqualifying information in a clearance investigation, along with relevant aggravating/mitigating factors. Note the lack of any sort of flowchart, scorecard, or other tool that could be used to make an objective determination.

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Seems like a process that would disproportionately favor boring NPC women and psycho men. Which would explain a lot.
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Classified work (especially outside of jobs that are + or - the same as their normie counterparts like HR and Accounting) attracts people who are attracted to power. Not sure if that supports or rebuts your argument.
 
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It's a bit sad, actually.
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No it’s a good thing. Security clearances don’t exist to uplift people, demonstrate the power of second chances, or represent the diverse makeup of America. They exist to make sure people exposed to sensitive information are as rock solid as it’s possible to know. One chink in your armour and you’re out, as it should be.
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Seems like a process that would disproportionately favor boring NPC women
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Again this isn’t the cool kids frat for fun party animals. You don’t want people with strong personalities or fun histories in the mix here. As close to a human appliance is ideal for anyone not a top level decision maker. Minimize incentive to go rogue.
 
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No it’s a good thing. Security clearances don’t exist to uplift people, demonstrate the power of second chances, or represent the diverse makeup of America. They exist to make sure people exposed to sensitive information are as rock solid as it’s possible to know. One chink in your armour and you’re out, as it should be.

Again this isn’t the cool kids frat for fun party animals. You don’t want people with strong personalities or fun histories in the mix here. As close to a human appliance is ideal for anyone not a top level decision maker. Minimize incentive to go rogue.
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It's unfortunate when it's not the applicant's fault, even if it's the right decision. Shrug emoji
 
Upstanding citizen quits weed for a few years, then takes up cocaine and shrooms after getting clearance.

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That's it. I've read a few of these, and this is the shortest appeal attempt I've found. The guy didn't try a big long explanation, he didn't ask for time to file more documentation, he didn't contest a claim or argue about a definition. It's just "yeah I decided to try cocaine after getting my clearance, just for fun. But don't worry, I'm cool."

Applicant was asked by a government investigator about illegal drug use during his background interview. His admitted desire to experience new drugs with friends at parties and music festivals, clearly outweighed his professional commitments and responsibilities.
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He didn't even say he has stopped using drugs now that he got caught, or that he'll refrain in the future. He's completely unfazed by getting caught partying while on E and LSD. I don't know why he even bothered appealing.

Needless to say, the government was not impressed with his commitment to partying.

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Aside from all the drug and alcohol ones, its insane how many people with debt up to their eyeballs and no plans to mitigate their situations apply for a cleared position and get all shocked pikachu when they're denied. If they can't manage to pay off their delinquent credit card bill for their TV or other stupid shit why on earth would the government trust them with it's most sensitive information?
 
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Aside from all the drug and alcohol ones, its insane how many people with debt up to their eyeballs and no plans to mitigate their situations apply for a cleared position and get all shocked pikachu when they're denied. If they can't manage to pay off their delinquent credit card bill for their TV or other stupid shit why on earth would the government trust them with it's most sensitive information?
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Part of me can't help but wonder if some of the really interesting ones are sanitized/not published at all - spies are going to try to infiltrate US intelligence/defense, if everything that came up during the investigation/appeal were publicized that would almost be a how-to manual for the next person trying to sneak in.

Which leaves just the run of the mill druggies/drunks/deadbeats on the publicly visible docket.
 
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Part of me can't help but wonder if some of the really interesting ones are sanitized/not published at all - spies are going to try to infiltrate US intelligence/defense, if everything that came up during the investigation/appeal were publicized that would almost be a how-to manual for the next person trying to sneak in.

Which leaves just the run of the mill druggies/drunks/deadbeats on the publicly visible docket.
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Another big part is that these are appeals. If a spy gets denied, they probably just go back home. Not worth the cost and risk of fighting it in courts if you think the investigators already know.
 
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