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Plaintiff is fat said:

Prediction: despite claiming to want cars off the road, in the next few years of deployment the walkable urbanism cult will find a way to bitch about drone deliveries (noise, visual pollution, bad for birds, somehow racist, etc)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CEMT3HaHZew

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I don't think they would bitch about drones for being surveillance tools, since I assume that they love those because they catch "wrongdoers in the act", and because they love China for using drones for that purpose.

Sleazy Car Salesman said:

Also, ironically, Buc-ees is the only one of these massive chains I'm aware of that not only forbids eighteen wheelers and hence are not truck stops, but is also the only one of these major chains that began with the question "How do you make a gas station appealing to women especially women with children in the car?" The cleanest bathrooms thing wasn't an accident or a joke that took on a life of its own, that was their answer: Forbid truckers and make the bathrooms sparkle. The mini market appeal was likewise an offshoot of that.

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Based Buccees having a No Jeet Truck Driver rule

Xarpho's Return said:

I don't think it's by design, specifically. Buc-ee's stores, until the late 2000s/early 2010s were normal gas stations, even if they were larger than their competition. The one in Cypress (built around 200 is more QuikTrip-size. The thing about forbidding 18-wheelers is the fact that there's no space for them, if you look at a Love's or something they specifically have truck parking, and they don't want 18-wheelers to take up space in the parking lot parking the wrong way. (You can see this in urban areas when an 18-wheeler takes up multiple spaces, though usually for loading/unloading). Plus truck stops tend to have things like showers, scales, and truck-accessible pumps, all of which take up more space (ironically). Where Buc-ee's tends to locate, there's usually another real truck stop nearby anyway.

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I recall them saying the reason they don't make truckstops is for that reason though. Yeah for the original store it was a matter of practicality, but for the other stores where they would have the space they simply don't build truck stops because they have no desire to host big rigs or any of the headaches that come with needing all the space and facilities, nor all the unsavory types that industry attracts.

Thiletonomics said:

I don't think they would bitch about drones for being surveillance tools, since I assume that they love those because they catch "wrongdoers in the act", and because they love China for using drones for that purpose.

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Double post, sue me.

I think it'll be exactly the same thing that happened with bodycams.

"We need bodycams to keep an eye on these dastardly corrupt cops!"
"Stop posting all these videos where niggers are getting killed justifiably!"

Sleazy Car Salesman said:

I think it'll be exactly the same thing that happened with bodycams.

"We need bodycams to keep an eye on these dastardly corrupt cops!"
"Stop posting all these videos where niggers are getting killed justifiably!"

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“We need drones to find illegal parking”
Drone records cargo and rental bikes blocking sidewalks.

“We need drones to catch dangerous drivers”
Drone records cyclists running red lights.

“We need drones to catch cars driving in the bus lane”
Drone records brawls on the bus.

quaawaa said:

“We need drones to find illegal parking”
Drone records cargo and rental bikes blocking sidewalks.

“We need drones to catch dangerous drivers”
Drone records cyclists running red lights.

“We need drones to catch cars driving in the bus lane”
Drone records brawls on the bus.

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And that's basically all it would catch because we already have a ton of surveillance for all this stuff. We have parking enforcement for illegal parking. We have red light cams for dangerous drivers. Some inner city rail already has security on it. This wouldn't just backfire, this is straight up cutting your own throat.

Sleazy Car Salesman said:

I recall them saying the reason they don't make truckstops is for that reason though. Yeah for the original store it was a matter of practicality, but for the other stores where they would have the space they simply don't build truck stops because they have no desire to host big rigs or any of the headaches that come with needing all the space and facilities, nor all the unsavory types that industry attracts.

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I can see that. As for women and Buc-ee's, I've seen peak hours/seasons where the lines spill into the store. (The men's restroom still has a line, but it's short and moves fast for number ones).

Also @quaawaa posted an article about a major train accident in Spain.

It brings to mind that the "cars are too fast to be safe" line yet here we have a train accident with even higher speeds (and due to the mass/acceleration, magnitudes greater than a car crash in force). Even if this sort of thing is extremely rare, car crashes are rare for all the trips and travel, so for safety's sake we should reduce high speed rail to 55 mph (88 kph).*

* Sarcasm.

Sleazy Car Salesman said:

So yes, the United States is very large. And most of the individual states are of consummate size to European countries. But the population density is generally more akin to Russia than it is to anywhere in Western Europe.

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Density is a verrrrry important factor.

For a lot of primary schools in holland, due to the increase of both parents working theres also an increase in kids getting dropped off by their parents by car so they can immediately drive off to work after.
But a lot of schools can also only physically handle like max 2 cars in front of them at once (even tho those same primary schools frequently have like 200+ students), leading to massive lines of cars in the morning. And just making more space for cars isnt possible, because the schools are often immediately flanked by other buildings like houses, supermarkets, whatever, because a lot of areas are just so densely built. So a lot of parents stick to the bike and then go back home to grab the car, because its quicker than dealing with the pileup.

Secondary schools have a bit more space, but even then their parking lots are only equipped for cars of staff and maybe ~4 extra cars of parents/students in the final year who might occasionally need to use it. Theyre banking on 99.9% of their ~2K students coming via bike or public transport, because if all (or even a large minority) of the kids above 16 came with their own car theyd need to start bulldozing the surrounding neighbourhood to make the kind of parking space ive seen in american highschool movies.


Like with this school almost touching an appartment building. Granted, its amsterdam, but even in more 'rural' schools you can often look out of the windows directly into peoples backyard.

Even lots of offices dont have enough parking spots for all their staff, theres unis that dont allow non-staff to park there, etc.
And for going places for fun in the main city area you better be prepared to pay 30 bucks to stuff your car in a car garage where all 10 floors are almost completely full and thats a 30 min walk away from where you actually need to be.
 
When the density is high enough that you have to choose between putting more parking space or more buildings somewhere, cant have both, then reducing cars isnt really a choice. But desiring the same kind of infrastructure when you have enough space to not need it is dumb af.

SpiderBitch said:

Density is a verrrrry important factor.

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Yeah and it's the second most misunderstood thing about North America from the European perspective. First you need to beat them over the head with how big everything is, then you have to fight the uphill battle of explaining how spread out everything is. Yes, the individual states have the land area and the GDP of European countries, but the individual states are not countries unto themselves and lack the capacity to easily become countries unto themselves with the singular exception of (possibly) Texas. The USA isn't like the EU, our states are far more interdependent.

One thing that I've never seen "New Urbanists" address: How pedestrianizing streets forces interaction between pedestrians and cyclists. The only times I've seen people like Jason bring it up, he shrugs it off and says "Hey, you get used to it!". I've lived in the same city for nearly thirty years, one that would basically tick every one of his boxes for a perfect city other than "It's literally just Amsterdam", and... no, you don't. You're a fucking liar, mate. It's a persistent, low-level annoyance.

I'm significantly more worried about being hit by a bicycle than I am by a car. Why? Because the cars are kept away from pedestrians. If you're walking, the only time you have to worry about them is when you're crossing the street. And if you're not legitimately retarded, it's actually very easy to avoid them. You just look both ways as you're crossing the street. Bicycles, on the other hand, are completely erratic and unpredictable. If you're walking down a 'pedestrian' street, a bicycle can hit you from basically any direction.

Is it worse if you're hit by a car? Yes. How many times have I had to jump out of the way of a car to avoid being hit by one? Never. Can't say the same about cyclists. And e-bikes have made things much, much worse, because now they can hit you at a speed that can cause genuine damage. A friend of mine has permanent chronic pain after being hit by a Deliveroo driver who hit them from behind and was riding down a street where cars weren't allowed. The cunt didn't even slow down or stop to see if she was alright.

The funny thing is that roads generally make a difference, in a positive way. Bikes (and e-bikes) will ride on the road instead of the pavement when one is there. When you're in a "car-free zone", it's chaos. The result is that, as a pedestrian, I feel safer walking down streets where there's cars next to me, because I'm less likely to get hit by a cyclist, and it's the cyclists I have to watch out for.

Beautiful Border said:

One thing that I've never seen "New Urbanists" address: How pedestrianizing streets forces interaction between pedestrians and cyclists. The only times I've seen people like Jason bring it up, he shrugs it off and says "Hey, you get used to it!". I've lived in the same city for nearly thirty years, one that would basically tick every one of his boxes for a perfect city other than "It's literally just Amsterdam", and... no, you don't. You're a fucking liar, mate. It's a persistent, low-level annoyance.

The funny thing is that roads generally make a difference, in a positive way. Bikes (and e-bikes) will ride on the road instead of the pavement when one is there. When you're in a "car-free zone", it's chaos. The result is that, as a pedestrian, I feel safer walking down streets where there's cars next to me, because I'm less likely to get hit by a cyclist, and it's the cyclists I have to watch out for.

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Honestly same way I feel about my current residence. It's a university town so a good chunk of the student population bikes or e-bikes everywhere and I can tell you I feel less safe walking through the university than I do walking along main street. I swear to god I do not know if my peers just weren't educated about good cycling etiquette or what, but they will gladly act like the drivers I'm willing to bet they imagine and bemoan.

The amount of times I've nearly been sidelined or had a near-miss with some dickhead swerving in and around groups of people to make it to class or just to get to the other side of the campus is amazingly high. The campus itself is large, I understand your need to cycle, but I don't think you need to cycle as fast as you need to. Even standing next to the road my immediate concern isn't a car being driven by some sloshed college kid crashing into me, it's the seeming Predator-like bikes that somehow sneak up on me on the sidewalk with zero noise being generated until they pass me by an inch or so. I swear half the cyclists in this town are addicted to a one-man game of chicken where they see how close they can get to a pedestrian before having to go around.

You know what I'd propose to make the streets safer? Noisy bicycles. Cars generate plenty of sensory data; the flash of headlights, the sound of motors, their physical presence in general is loaded with plenty of sensory cues. But a bike? A bike is quiet, they don't have lights on them, and they're fairly compact. How many pedestrians have had more near-miss experiences with bikes than they've had with cars, cause it seems like a lot of pedestrians deal with bikes being a problem more than cars.

SpiderBitch said:

When the density is high enough that you have to choose between putting more parking space or more buildings somewhere, cant have both, then reducing cars isnt really a choice. But desiring the same kind of infrastructure when you have enough space to not need it is dumb af.

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It does show that the demand is there, just like highways don't "induce" demand, either. There was a picture posted here earlier of a European elementary school that did have a drop-off area similar to American schools, and /r/fuckcars threw a fit over it.

Beautiful Border said:

One thing that I've never seen "New Urbanists" address: How pedestrianizing streets forces interaction between pedestrians and cyclists. The only times I've seen people like Jason bring it up, he shrugs it off and says "Hey, you get used to it!". I've lived in the same city for nearly thirty years, one that would basically tick every one of his boxes for a perfect city other than "It's literally just Amsterdam", and... no, you don't. You're a fucking liar, mate. It's a persistent, low-level annoyance.

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If we're judging by the "bicycle traffic jam" video of several pages ago it assumes that in Amsterdam, cyclists will stick to their specific infrastructure and not even jump on the roads. But that's not the case elsewhere, and /r/fuckcars takes pride in being erratic scofflaws that will ride wherever, whenever. I think the usual cope is "getting hit by a bicycle won't kill you, unlike getting hit by a car". It's dumb because there's lots of ways that "won't kill you" but are months of injury and costly medical bills, if not a lifetime disability.

Look, I'm not saying they deserve to have their spine broken like dried spaghetti or sustain severe head trauma, but...

Beautiful Border said:

One thing that I've never seen "New Urbanists" address: How pedestrianizing streets forces interaction between pedestrians and cyclists. The only times I've seen people like Jason bring it up, he shrugs it off and says "Hey, you get used to it!". I've lived in the same city for nearly thirty years, one that would basically tick every one of his boxes for a perfect city other than "It's literally just Amsterdam", and... no, you don't. You're a fucking liar, mate. It's a persistent, low-level annoyance.

I'm significantly more worried about being hit by a bicycle than I am by a car. Why? Because the cars are kept away from pedestrians. If you're walking, the only time you have to worry about them is when you're crossing the street. And if you're not legitimately retarded, it's actually very easy to avoid them. You just look both ways as you're crossing the street. Bicycles, on the other hand, are completely erratic and unpredictable. If you're walking down a 'pedestrian' street, a bicycle can hit you from basically any direction.

Is it worse if you're hit by a car? Yes. How many times have I had to jump out of the way of a car to avoid being hit by one? Never. Can't say the same about cyclists. And e-bikes have made things much, much worse, because now they can hit you at a speed that can cause genuine damage. A friend of mine has permanent chronic pain after being hit by a Deliveroo driver who hit them from behind and was riding down a street where cars weren't allowed. The cunt didn't even slow down or stop to see if she was alright.

The funny thing is that roads generally make a difference, in a positive way. Bikes (and e-bikes) will ride on the road instead of the pavement when one is there. When you're in a "car-free zone", it's chaos. The result is that, as a pedestrian, I feel safer walking down streets where there's cars next to me, because I'm less likely to get hit by a cyclist, and it's the cyclists I have to watch out for.

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Now try it again with young children. It's an unlivable environment.

Baraka Obama said:

Now try it again with young children. It's an unlivable environment.

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Yup. You know what's not a problem in big cities (or anywhere, really)...children lying down in front of SUVs, possibly to appease some sort of pagan bicycle god. You know what is an actual problem? Children being hit by cyclists. (article, archive).

How many cyclists carry liability insurance to cover the costs of hitting somebody?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Must be nice.

More Buc-ee's seething on /r/fuckcars.


This guy is so close, yet so far, because all of these "muh third places" cope are for younger people, especially bars and arcades. If you're older and still regularly going to bars, there's an obvious problem with your life.


Whether this was intended as satire or not, I'm pretty sure there on people on Reddit who 100% believe this.


What if I told them that Buc-ee's doesn't sell lottery tickets at all...?


I suppose when you're an expert in bullshitting numbers, anything will look like bullshit to you. By the way, most gas pumps are double-sided, and they're two deep here, so if you look at the Waller one (which is 120 pumps) if you count the columns and multiply by 2, you'll get around 100. (The others are in the other gas island to the left).


This is the only post that uses Brightline as a flex. I'm sure that Brightline's restrooms are vastly inferior (even if it wasn't an eldritch peepeepoopoo abomination, it's not going to be better) but their onboard snack menu sucks. Peanut M&Ms and Rold Gold Pretzels for $4 each? Buc-ee's is cheap compared to that.


original link / archive

Xarpho's Return said:

This guy is so close, yet so far, because all of these "muh third places" cope are for younger people, especially bars and arcades. If you're older and still regularly going to bars, there's an obvious problem with your life.

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I actually agree with the commenter here, but their complaint isn't really anything to do with cars or 'car culture'. Yeah, you should be able to hang out in a park. And yeah, it sucks that all the malls are dying. But that's not because of cars, that's because of online shopping and the Internet. Even places that aren't "car-centric" have these same problems. A lot of the social ills that sub chalks down to cars actually come down to screens.

Buc-ees rules, fuck these faggot redditors. I'd got get some beef jerky right now if it wasn't two hours away.

Xarpho's Return said:

What if I told them that Buc-ee's doesn't sell lottery tickets at all...?

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I get this complaint but people do this everywhere and as someone who drives a large diesel pickup, brother I can be in and out before the tank is full. Inconsiderate? Sure, bite me. I don't care.
As a side note to the other comment complaining about the sheer number of pumps and needing to service 700 vehicles per hour, it doesn't take 10 minutes to fill up even a large truck lol and because it's a big dick attraction, I'd expect them to install the nice high flow pumps too.