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What are you opinions on GamerGate and Brianna Wu / John Flynt?

  • I am of no opinion towards either.

    Votes: 104 8.6%

  • I am neutral on GamerGate, but think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votes: 631 52.1%

  • I am neutral on GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votes: 9 0.7%

  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, but still think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votes: 112 9.2%

  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votes: 37 3.1%

  • I am PRO-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votes: 309 25.5%

  • I am PRO-GamerGate, but still think that and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votes: 9 0.7%
  • Total voters
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Yeah, well, it's OK if a female-dominated company exists. In fact, that should definitely be the norm!! Who cares who's more experienced, more passionate about a given field and more likely to apply? We need more female employees everywhere. NOW NOW NOWNOWNOW!!!
 
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Maybe if you did some actually fucking research, Wu, you WOULD know.
 
I've stopped caring about game journalism as a whole about a year before Gamergate (shower with accolades now, bitches!), but all the same, is it really wise of Wu to try and start a pissing match with probably that only news outlets that will give a flying fuck about Revolution 60? I imagine her asspat brigade at Boston Globe might do a write-up about the local game designer, but that's all I can figure.
 
Women and Video Gaming's Dirty Little Secrets

When it comes to sexism in video game studios, there’s a big disconnect between perception and reality. We’ve all heard the debate – many have accepted as an article of faith that sexism keeps women out of game studios.

As an insider, I find this argument is misguided. It’s easy to blame men for not creating an attractive work environment – but I think that’s a cop-out. If we want more women to work in games, we have to recognize that the problem isn’t sexism.

So here are three dirty little secrets about women in games:
  1. Women play games – a lot of them.
  2. The video game industry wants to hire more women
  3. There aren’t enough to hire…yet.
- Gabrielle Toledano, Executive Vice President and Chief Talent Officer, Electronic Arts

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[MEDIA=twitter]654465547157946368[/MEDIA]Women and Video Gaming's Dirty Little Secrets

When it comes to sexism in video game studios, there’s a big disconnect between perception and reality. We’ve all heard the debate – many have accepted as an article of faith that sexism keeps women out of game studios.

As an insider, I find this argument is misguided. It’s easy to blame men for not creating an attractive work environment – but I think that’s a cop-out. If we want more women to work in games, we have to recognize that the problem isn’t sexism.

So here are three dirty little secrets about women in games:
  1. Women play games – a lot of them.
  2. The video game industry wants to hire more women
  3. There aren’t enough to hire…yet.
- Gabrielle Toledano, Executive Vice President and Chief Talent Officer, Electronic Arts

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The problem isn't sexism? This heretic should be burned at the stake according to the Gospel of John!
Eh, just kidding. But you know, maybe one of the issues is not sexism, but a lack of interest instead? Although I doubt Wu cares to consider that, since all he wants is to be a hero
 
Furina said:
Heinlein is hardcore militaristic right wing. He wrote Starship Troopers in which his utopia is a far right wing (almost Nazi) military democracy, meaning you must have served in the army to have the right to vote, have children and numerous other basic rights. Violence and the ability to fight is the most important skill a person can learn.
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Long time lurker here, but I had to make an account to come to the defense of Heinlein. Please don't let Wu poison that particular well by association. I seriously doubt that Wu can have actually read and understood much of Heinlein's work and still claim the ideals that he professes.

Heinlein did in fact write Starship Troopers, and while it is extremely militaristic the takeaway from that particular novel is not that violence and fighting ability is the most important skill. It is that people who are entrusted with the ability to vote are those who have performed tangible service to society. Military service is not a requirement, social service is available as well. Additionally, the right to vote is the ONLY additional right that people who provide service gain. Promotions are often gained on the spot and lost just as quickly when someone screws up. The society described is very much a meritocracy, especially in the military (which is the main focus)

Additionally, as Heinlein got older, his works took on an extremely libertarian tone, with the idea espoused loudly and often that people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm others. The novels Stranger in a Strange Land and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (the plot of which DykesDykesChina alluded to) have extremely in-your-face opinions on the subject of the inviolability of personal rights.

If Wu did read any of his work, he probably only likes them because Heinlein often wrote the characters of his books in the same style as other authors of his time, such as Edgar Rice Burroughs. His main characters are invariably extremely capable, euridite, and able to easily rise to any challenge while making intelligent quips. His male and female characters were all like this, and rarely had any trouble with anything (Think early James bond in space).

I seem to recall (and I could be completely wrong about this, as I can't find a link supporting it) Wu saying at one point that the titular character in his novel Friday was an inspiration for Rev60. If this is the case, Wu's reading comprehension is inversely proportional to Wu's self-delusion. If she believed in any of the things that she constantly tweets about, she should find most of the ideas in Heinlein's works "problematic"

tl:dr - Sorry for the long rant, but after months of watching Wu attempt to ruin so many good things, I had to speak up and try to keep one of the things that I like from being too fouled by association. I'll shuffle back off to my corner now
 
Quasar said:
Long time lurker here, but I had to make an account to come to the defense of Heinlein. Please don't let Wu poison that particular well by association. I seriously doubt that Wu can have actually read and understood much of Heinlein's work and still claim the ideals that he professes.

Heinlein did in fact write Starship Troopers, and while it is extremely militaristic the takeaway from that particular novel is not that violence and fighting ability is the most important skill. It is that people who are entrusted with the ability to vote are those who have performed tangible service to society. Military service is not a requirement, social service is available as well. Additionally, the right to vote is the ONLY additional right that people who provide service gain. Promotions are often gained on the spot and lost just as quickly when someone screws up. The society described is very much a meritocracy, especially in the military (which is the main focus)

Additionally, as Heinlein got older, his works took on an extremely libertarian tone, with the idea espoused loudly and often that people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm others. The novels Stranger in a Strange Land and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (the plot of which DykesDykesChina alluded to) have extremely in-your-face opinions on the subject of the inviolability of personal rights.

If Wu did read any of his work, he probably only likes them because Heinlein often wrote the characters of his books in the same style as other authors of his time, such as Edgar Rice Burroughs. His main characters are invariably extremely capable, euridite, and able to easily rise to any challenge while making intelligent quips. His male and female characters were all like this, and rarely had any trouble with anything (Think early James bond in space).

I seem to recall (and I could be completely wrong about this, as I can't find a link supporting it) Wu saying at one point that the titular character in his novel Friday was an inspiration for Rev60. If this is the case, Wu's reading comprehension is inversely proportional to Wu's self-delusion. If she believed in any of the things that she constantly tweets about, she should find most of the ideas in Heinlein's works "problematic"

tl:dr - Sorry for the long rant, but after months of watching Wu attempt to ruin so many good things, I had to speak up and try to keep one of the things that I like from being too fouled by association. I'll shuffle back off to my corner now
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I think you're a space nazi.
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Quasar said:
Long time lurker here, but I had to make an account to come to the defense of Heinlein. Please don't let Wu poison that particular well by association. I seriously doubt that Wu can have actually read and understood much of Heinlein's work and still claim the ideals that he professes.

Heinlein did in fact write Starship Troopers, and while it is extremely militaristic the takeaway from that particular novel is not that violence and fighting ability is the most important skill. It is that people who are entrusted with the ability to vote are those who have performed tangible service to society. Military service is not a requirement, social service is available as well. Additionally, the right to vote is the ONLY additional right that people who provide service gain. Promotions are often gained on the spot and lost just as quickly when someone screws up. The society described is very much a meritocracy, especially in the military (which is the main focus)

Additionally, as Heinlein got older, his works took on an extremely libertarian tone, with the idea espoused loudly and often that people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm others. The novels Stranger in a Strange Land and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (the plot of which DykesDykesChina alluded to) have extremely in-your-face opinions on the subject of the inviolability of personal rights.

If Wu did read any of his work, he probably only likes them because Heinlein often wrote the characters of his books in the same style as other authors of his time, such as Edgar Rice Burroughs. His main characters are invariably extremely capable, euridite, and able to easily rise to any challenge while making intelligent quips. His male and female characters were all like this, and rarely had any trouble with anything (Think early James bond in space).

I seem to recall (and I could be completely wrong about this, as I can't find a link supporting it) Wu saying at one point that the titular character in his novel Friday was an inspiration for Rev60. If this is the case, Wu's reading comprehension is inversely proportional to Wu's self-delusion. If she believed in any of the things that she constantly tweets about, she should find most of the ideas in Heinlein's works "problematic"

tl:dr - Sorry for the long rant, but after months of watching Wu attempt to ruin so many good things, I had to speak up and try to keep one of the things that I like from being too fouled by association. I'll shuffle back off to my corner now
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I know what you mean; I was actually stirred from my lurk by seeing Wu sperging about the SJW Jem & the Holograms remake, and while that's not likely comparable, I still felt driven to action by the idea of Wu contaminating something I enjoyed (The original, not the remake fer chrissakes).

I didn't know what was worse, and still don't: Wu liking something I've enjoyed, and ruining it through association, or attacking something I liked, and taking cheap shots at it.

Actually, I think the latter's still preferable!
 
Holy Fuck Shit. Heinlein?

Wu is a god-damned idiot.

I mean *I* like Heinlein, but...

Okay, so the man himself was ex-military and it really puts a slant on his work. It's right-wing, but nothing you'd confuse with a modern conservative party. Y'know how communism would totally work, except people in the real world can be total shits and would rob the system blind the second no one was looking? It's like that, except for right wing ideals. The plebs are totally cool with their bread and circuses and meritocracy sorts things out.

That said, his books are good reads, with some nifty sci-fi concepts, likable characters and clever dialogue. But, oh so very problematic.

Heinlein was a delightful sex-pervert. In Glory Road, our hero the competent man gives The Literal Queen of the Universe a spanking. For being bad. She is totally into it.

And now we come to Friday. Friday is the main character of the book of the same name. She gets captured and raped within the very first chapter. She is remarkably blase about the whole thing and has an internal debate afterward, while getting handcuffed to a bed, if one of them tries to kiss her goodnight, should she accept. She decides, (with some small regret!) she'd have to refuse any hypothetical romantic overtures.

And here is where things get interesting. Brianna Wu says that Holiday is based of Friday. But Holiday is also based on Brianna Wu's ideal. Friday is hyper-competent, extremely well educated, strong and gets all the best lines. Friday is also sexually voracious, bedding copious numbers of men and women. Friday is ALSO an artificial person, a lab-grown baby that's specially designed to be "better." In the books, artificial people are subject to considerable prejudice. Or *would* be, if anyone could tell if you were one. Friday sleeps with multiple people would claim they could tell "one of those monsters" by sight a mile away.

If she *did* read for comprehension, Brianna Wu believes both that she is sexually enticing and that she is absolutely indistinguishable from a natural born woman.

Final note: In the books, nobody knows Friday is an artificial person until she tells them (they've been fucking for years). She's promptly rejected and kicked out of her family unit. Which may *may* be why she's so reluctant to come out as trans.

But I doubt she read for comprehension.
 
Walter Temple said:
Holy Fuck Shit. Heinlein?

Wu is a god-damned idiot.

I mean *I* like Heinlein, but...

Okay, so the man himself was ex-military and it really puts a slant on his work. It's right-wing, but nothing you'd confuse with a modern conservative party. Y'know how communism would totally work, except people in the real world can be total shits and would rob the system blind the second no one was looking? It's like that, except for right wing ideals. The plebs are totally cool with their bread and circuses and meritocracy sorts things out.

That said, his books are good reads, with some nifty sci-fi concepts, likable characters and clever dialogue. But, oh so very problematic.

Heinlein was a delightful sex-pervert. In Glory Road, our hero the competent man gives The Literal Queen of the Universe a spanking. For being bad. She is totally into it.

And now we come to Friday. Friday is the main character of the book of the same name. She gets captured and raped within the very first chapter. She is remarkably blase about the whole thing and has an internal debate afterward, while getting handcuffed to a bed, if one of them tries to kiss her goodnight, should she accept. She decides, (with some small regret!) she'd have to refuse any hypothetical romantic overtures.

And here is where things get interesting. Brianna Wu says that Holiday is based of Friday. But Holiday is also based on Brianna Wu's ideal. Friday is hyper-competent, extremely well educated, strong and gets all the best lines. Friday is also sexually voracious, bedding copious numbers of men and women. Friday is ALSO an artificial person, a lab-grown baby that's specially designed to be "better." In the books, artificial people are subject to considerable prejudice. Or *would* be, if anyone could tell if you were one. Friday sleeps with multiple people would claim they could tell "one of those monsters" by sight a mile away.

If she *did* read for comprehension, Brianna Wu believes both that she is sexually enticing and that she is absolutely indistinguishable from a natural born woman.

Final note: In the books, nobody knows Friday is an artificial person until she tells them (they've been fucking for years). She's promptly rejected and kicked out of her family unit. Which may *may* be why she's so reluctant to come out as trans.

But I doubt she read for comprehension.
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Friday is trans, deal with it
 
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Friday is trans, deal with it
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Aaiiiiiieeee!

So... Brianna Wu is masquerading as a human being?

And has *never* been big on disclosing her true nature to potential sex partners?

Final Heinlein Sperg: Friday's multiple husbands and wives family unit divorces her *very* easily. Not properly disclosing her not technically human status renders contracts void.
 
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Just found this through uberfeminist:



Brianna Wu: Why I don't respond when Gamergate accuses me of being transgender.(self.GamerGhazi)

submitted 8 months ago by spacekatgalBrianna Wu

This is a post I've been meaning to write for a long time now. Every single day, I have Gamergaters writing to call me transgender. Somewhere along the way, it became something they all seem to believe when the truth is I've never commented on it.

I've thought a lot about it. I've talked to friends like Katherine Cross, Christina Love and Samantha Allen about this. I think it's a no-win scenario to respond to for a plethora of reasons.

The first and most obvious one is, there's nothing remotely wrong with being transgender! If I were cis and I came out saying, "Oh my God, no! I'm not transgender! No, no, no!" that's just reinforcing this stigma about being transgender that costs so many lives. I think transgender people are probably the most persecuted people on the planet, and I don't think it's helpful for cisgendered activists to inadvertently reinforce this.

Secondly, anyone familiar with the subject knows there are many, many shades to being transgender! There are intersex people, there are non-binary people, there are deep stealth people. Ultimately, being transgender is a private, very serious medical issue that needs to be addressed as early in life as possible. I don't think it's helpful to anyone involved to treat it like a litmus test, where a person must come out publicly.

Thirdly, for anyone that's publicly transgender - I've had friends that are out tell me about the pain it causes in it coloring everything that they do. I have a friend that's a well known software engineer. She's has people writing her all the time about how inspiring she is. She appreciates the sentiment, but she says it brings her back to the most painful period of her life. In becomes an adjective in front of that person's name - coloring everything they do when the goal was to just feel like their true self.

The only winning move here is not to play.

I choose to not respond, because nothing I can say in response to this accomplishes anything worthwhile. And it's my suggestion to others to not buy into transphobia by responding. It encourages something that should be deeply private to become a witchhunt.

As Anita so eloquently said, transgender women are women period.




I've highlighted what I saw as the most important bits. So, this is as close an admission as I've seen....also, "Deep Stealth"...?!? Is THAT what we're calling it now?

John "Deep Stealth" Flynt has us all fooled.

Best....hashtag...eva!

https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheJoysOfNotBeingBriannaWu?src=hash
 
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