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Reminder we live in current year where it is celebrated to commit self harm through surgery and hormones.

In the western world, when has that last occurred in history? Not counting death in military for glory but straight up self harm.

And people say we have advanced in civilization. We are below the Romans and below the Vikings. We just feel we are civilized because we are the first with interactive glass rectangles.
its indeed horrifying how in modern society, when someone wants to literally mutilate himself/herself this action is celebrated instead of being condemned and prevented with psychological or medical intervention.
if a man would want to chop his own arm and leg in order to ''feel better about his body'', he would be immediatelly be placed in an asylum for havinf severe insanity and some very disturbing desires.
his case would be dealth with psychological coucneling, constant monitoring of his case, and with a medical prescription too, so that they could deal with his mental illness.

however, if a man would want to chop his own penis off, and to mutilate his body in order to ''feel better about his body'', they see it as normal.
its not normal, its insane.
we have fallen a bit as a species, when we do allow such horrendous actions of self mutilation to happen, and to not only be treated medically, but to be accepted and celebrated as ''unique''...

and worst of all, some trans groomers often try to influence other confused children and teenagers to become trans, because they want to put more people through the same paina nd misery that they originally went through.

i sometimes am at a loss for words when i see such insanity. but its absolutely horrifying.
That is not a thing I needed to see, it looks like a botch job you'd see on a "cosmetic surgery gone wrong" show; and yet I know that's one of the better end-results.

Given that trans people have an abnormally high suicide rate, around 48% kill themselves before they turn 40, this takes a much darker turn. As a society we're effectively cheering people on who, statistically speaking, live shorter, more miserable lives and have a near 50% chance of not even reaching their 40th birthday. Worse, this shit is being pushed onto children at younger and younger ages, with children who are yet to hit puberty "deciding" to become transgender by taking hormone blockers; effectively meaning they never actually go through puberty.
i agree with you, my friend: indeed, the suicide statistics for trans people and for people who have regretted having a sex change surgery, is alarming.
i feel bad that all those misguided, confused, deluded people get tricked that they will have a ''better'', more ''unique'' life as women, yet when they get their dick chopped off and the original rush subsides, they end up alone in a bed, bleeding, being in constant pain and being a shell of their former self.
and thats when reality sets in.
they are disfigured. they are a shadow of their former (healthier) self. they are damaged physically and their morale is at 0.
they have been influenced by other trans people (groomers) that this ''would be great'', yet its not.
its all pain, regrets, and a broken body.
and i feel very sad about their demise, as they enter a dark path where noone can ever return.
You know what the real shame is? Any doctor who releases research or studies that go against the narrative will get attacked by colleagues, such as the one John Hopkins doctor who had numerous people in his field attacking him for criticizing it and saying that autogynephilia is real (if you google that phrase you'll get sites saying "ITS NOT REAL"). This means that any research or studies that try to help these people live normal lives where they aren't questioning their gender or chopping their dick off while living life wallowing in depression and self pity is pushed aside in favor of 58 genders.

Even around the time I was in middle school I learned that the scientific method starts with a hypothesis and then uses evidence to prove it, not coming up with an end result and arranging the data so it fits. That's the same method of deception that creationists and flat earthers use when saying "science supports us", and it worries me that any cure is going to hit a wall because it wouldn't be politically correct to come up with a hypothetical medication/therapy to allow someone to accept their body, despite the fact that transitioning (which has extremely mixed results) is. I've seen a pretty common viewpoint online in certain circles that transitioning will be seen as the 21st century version of a lobotomy, and it's easy to see why.
i looked up on ''autogynephilia'' in google/wikipedia, and its a damn accurate description for many of those trans people: if a trans ''woman'' (man) is attracted to men, then based on what they were before the sex change surgery, they were/are in fact homosexual, thus having a homosexual autogynephilia.
if however, a trans ''woman'' (man) is sexually attracted by women, then they are in the category of heterosexual autogynephilia. (or bisexual autogynephilia).

the reason why all those trans ''activists'' and SJWs shout that ''autogynephilia isnt real'', is because it unmasks what is going on there:
that some people who are born male and become trans ''women'' through sex surgery, that if they are attracted by men, they are in fact, homosexual.
they were/are men who are attracted by men. ergo, they are homosexuals.

but they cant accept that, so they (trans ''women'') claim to be ''heterosexual'', as they are ''women'' who are sexually attracted by men.
yet they are not straight.

i think that the most powerful quote from you was that:
transitioning will be seen as the 21st century version of a lobotomy.

indeed, future generations, anthropologists and historians will see this part of our history with shame, disgust and fear for what we have become.
i have nothing against LGBT people, and i feel that they are human beings like everyone in here, yet the trans (troons) that want to chop their dicks off are extremely confused and mentally ill, if i have to be super honest about it.

self mutilation isnt normal, nor something to be celebrated upon.
 
@GenderCop provided a pretty good source, but for me the case that really convinced me was the Kai Shappley case. His case was championed by the ACLU and was one of the most high-profile trans-kid cases and we had the mother proudly and publicly talking about how they used to beat him for playing with girls toys and wanting to wear dresses because they were determined that he wouldn't be gay until he started saying he was a girl and then they embraced it and started making sure everyone saw their brave and stunning daughter (obviously she didn't use that exact language, but as far as I recall I'm not even exaggerating).
Apparently there was a paper that proposed this back in 2000:
There is a lack of empirical evidence to support the notion of distress caused directly by GID …Certainly, child distress does not seem to be a common reason for referral of children with GID. Rather, the basis for clinical referral is more often parents’ or teachers’ concern regarding the child’s “intense involvement in overt cross-gender play” or the parents’ desire to prevent homosexuality in their child.
 
If you were wondering what the situation was like on the other side of the Atlantic and English Channel, I present you this French, autistic, obsessed with video games and Lego, terminally online troonbian "MiaAstrogirl".

Very frequent meltdowns about TERFs, his testosterone poisoning as a teenager (which his body just normally produced), his recently bought pseudo-vagina that looks exactly like a "cisgender" woman's, how biological sex is as much a social construction as gender "because intersex people" and so on. He's also very attached to the gendered brain theory(which contradicts what was said earlier in this paragraph), the woman born in a man's body and all that pseudoscientific garbage, it's even led him to conflicts with other troons on Twitter. He is also obsessed with having a child with his sperm that he froze before his transition. We can see him screeching about the lesbophobia and transphobia of French state in dozen of tweets because ART isn't accessible for his specific case (TIM with a woman).

His Twitter profile | Archive

The number of retweets and/or likes on the posts is quite dizzying. He also loves to call out TERFs, despite the fact that they do not represent anything on the French Twitter, which is a troon supremacy. It was peak trans for me.

The tweets are translated so you can enjoy the luscious milk of the lolcow.

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"Trans people are regular people" that's what we will see.

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AGP delusion.


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The vagina phantom. Totally not creepy and valid.

also, about vaginas...
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The butchery has come.

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cisgina and breastfeeding !

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Beat a TERF 😠 mangina is perfect.

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Trans wo-men can breastfeed like any "cisgender" woman, it's a scientific fact. And it's not a gross male's kink at all.

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Stunning and brave. 💕

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Single-sex spaces are necessary. Unless you're an evil TERF who wants to exclude trans-identified males.

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That's why he dedicated his life to his misogynistic fetish.

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Like you saw, he has no passing and people are just polite and civilized enough to make sure that the narcissistic troon does not make a tantrum in public.

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Trans women are women, no matter where they are in their transition! Gender is a spectrum, biological sex is a social construction, but it took her pseudo-vagina to finally feel the skin of a female just butchered like the woman she has always been.

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Bonus : clueless actual womyn.

PS : Timeline, I think he posts it every month.

I congratulate him on bravely smashing stereotypes about French women being good looking and stylish.

Also I know we hear this a lot, but how the hell is that thing 37? He looks 60.
 
rowling gets more attention because shes one of the very few who can afford to say "fuck off trannies" without having her entire life blown up for it - as the most successful author of the 21st century, she's simply too rich, too famous, and too accomplished to be cancelled.
The fact that she’s better off than they are alone is enough to make her detractors seethe, especially when so many are retarded and economically illiterate. If she wasn’t as well off and successful as she is they’d have ruined her life a long time ago.
 
Yeah, I always hear people talk about this but I have yet to hear any actual examples. Somehow brought up Hunter Schafer (his father is a preacher I think? Correct me if I’m wrong), but he only dates women. Why would a Christian want to troon out someone who was already straight?
Hunter Schafer identifies as a lesbian, but her girlfriend, Massima Desire, is also a trans woman.

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Hunter was a classic feminine gay boy before transitioning. I don't think the pastor dad had much to do with it, though. In the early profiles about their family, it appears that Hunter independently came up with the idea.

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It sounds like social media was the biggest influence in this case, as in so many others.

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its indeed horrifying how in modern society, when someone wants to literally mutilate himself/herself this action is celebrated instead of being condemned and prevented with psychological or medical intervention.
if a man would want to chop his own arm and leg in order to ''feel better about his body'', he would be immediatelly be placed in an asylum for havinf severe insanity and some very disturbing desires.
his case would be dealth with psychological coucneling, constant monitoring of his case, and with a medical prescription too, so that they could deal with his mental illness.

however, if a man would want to chop his own penis off, and to mutilate his body in order to ''feel better about his body'', they see it as normal.
its not normal, its insane.
we have fallen a bit as a species, when we do allow such horrendous actions of self mutilation to happen, and to not only be treated medically, but to be accepted and celebrated as ''unique''...

and worst of all, some trans groomers often try to influence other confused children and teenagers to become trans, because they want to put more people through the same paina nd misery that they originally went through.

i sometimes am at a loss for words when i see such insanity. but its absolutely horrifying.

i agree with you, my friend: indeed, the suicide statistics for trans people and for people who have regretted having a sex change surgery, is alarming.
i feel bad that all those misguided, confused, deluded people get tricked that they will have a ''better'', more ''unique'' life as women, yet when they get their dick chopped off and the original rush subsides, they end up alone in a bed, bleeding, being in constant pain and being a shell of their former self.
and thats when reality sets in.
they are disfigured. they are a shadow of their former (healthier) self. they are damaged physically and their morale is at 0.
they have been influenced by other trans people (groomers) that this ''would be great'', yet its not.
its all pain, regrets, and a broken body.
and i feel very sad about their demise, as they enter a dark path where noone can ever return.

i looked up on ''autogynephilia'' in google/wikipedia, and its a damn accurate description for many of those trans people: if a trans ''woman'' (man) is attracted to men, then based on what they were before the sex change surgery, they were/are in fact homosexual, thus having a homosexual autogynephilia.
if however, a trans ''woman'' (man) is sexually attracted by women, then they are in the category of heterosexual autogynephilia. (or bisexual autogynephilia).

the reason why all those trans ''activists'' and SJWs shout that ''autogynephilia isnt real'', is because it unmasks what is going on there:
that some people who are born male and become trans ''women'' through sex surgery, that if they are attracted by men, they are in fact, homosexual.
they were/are men who are attracted by men. ergo, they are homosexuals.

but they cant accept that, so they (trans ''women'') claim to be ''heterosexual'', as they are ''women'' who are sexually attracted by men.
yet they are not straight.

i think that the most powerful quote from you was that:
transitioning will be seen as the 21st century version of a lobotomy.

indeed, future generations, anthropologists and historians will see this part of our history with shame, disgust and fear for what we have become.
i have nothing against LGBT people, and i feel that they are human beings like everyone in here, yet the trans (troons) that want to chop their dicks off are extremely confused and mentally ill, if i have to be super honest about it.

self mutilation isnt normal, nor something to be celebrated upon.
LGB is simply who you "click" with. Troonism is a mental illness. Respecting it is just validating their delusions.
I cringe whenever I see a troon post in a makeup subreddit because you just know that they're going to get hundreds of upvotes regardless of how poorly applied their makeup is, because lib women are so desperate to virtue signal.

Lib women too, but also other trannies that constantly need to tell each other how "valid" they are.
The first one... "Please be kind". "Please don't tell me I don't look like a woman at all."
The fourth one doesn't even pretend to try, just a rather normal-looking dude with eyeliner. They really need that sweet, sweet reddit karma, and what easier way to get it than to simply say you're a tranny?
 
Hunter Schafer identifies as a lesbian, but her girlfriend, Massima Desire, is also a trans woman.

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Hunter was a classic feminine gay boy before transitioning. I don't think the pastor dad had much to do with it, though. In the early profiles about their family, it appears that Hunter independently came up with the idea.

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It sounds like social media was the biggest influence in this case, as in so many others.

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So he used to be gay and then became a “lesbian” after he transitioned? Wtf?
 
So he used to be gay and then became a “lesbian” after he transitioned? Wtf?
No, Hunter identified as a lesbian because that's the logical conclusion of defining identity & sexuality based on gender rather than sex. If trans women are women, period, and Hunter is a trans woman dating a trans woman, then Hunter can't identify as "straight" (from the perspective of a trans woman attracted to males) or "gay" (in the male attracted to male way). Thus they're both lesbians. Any other identification would have to admit that sex is central to sexuality.
 
So he used to be gay and then became a “lesbian” after he transitioned? Wtf?
So I know a gay man who trooned out. Now, unlike a lot of people I believe that gay men can be AGPs, or at least closer to AGPs than HSTS, and looking at this guy you'd probably assume that he's an AGP, especially since he identifies as a lesbian now.

But I suspect something else. I think that it's more of a male version of ROGD. White men get drawn into the most toxic parts of the social justice community and adopt a more oppressed identity (gay white men nowadays are just as oppressive as straight white men) as transwo men. These TiMs may still want to date men, but they don't want to date an oppressor and even if they did there really aren't that many male-identified males in their circle (nevermind a male-identified male who is willing to date a man) so they date each other. And of course, transwomen are women! So that makes them LESSBIAAAANSSS!

Basically, they're t4t.
 
I know the Wi Spa furore has mostly passed but I had a thought about it after a discussion in the other thread:

The main reason women divide into single-sex groups socially is not so much to avoid men as it is to avoid predators. That is really the key to most women-only spaces and female socializing. It is sad that one sex has to arrange so much of their lives around avoiding creepy males, but that is the way it is. I am especially talking about informal female friendship and hobby groups and 'girl's nights' and things like that. The informal 'rules' about excluding males from these groups have often been quite easily bent in the past, but the key always was that the men had to have something about them that made them obviously non-predatory. That is why you'd occasionally see exemptions made for gay men (the most obvious example) but sometimes also even straight men who are long-term partners of one of the women and have proved themselves over time to not be creeps. No one cares if Sarah's partner Ron tags along on girls' nights because he is a good DD and just quietly sits and reads a book. No one cares if your gay friend George is there in the room when you're discussing bikini waxes or whatever.

That is probably also why many HSTS were able to quite freely move in a lot of female spaces, even legally female-only ones, before the TRA movement took off. Even if they were clocked as technically male, they just didn't ring predator bells.

Note: I am definitely not saying that women do not have a right to spaces that exclude anyone biologically male, they absolutely do. I am just trying to come up with an explanation for why today's transwymyn are so absolutely destructive to women's spaces in a way that other men are not. Because they are come off as predators. They are predators, in that they are using women's spaces as ways to get their exhibitionist/voyeurist kicks, or to violate boundaries for their own validation, even if they are not physically attacking women (which of course some of them also do). It's always one level of using women for their own needs. And as soon as that 'predators are welcome here' vibe is created, most women simply leave.
 
If you were wondering what the situation was like on the other side of the Atlantic and English Channel, I present you this French, autistic, obsessed with video games and Lego, terminally online troonbian "MiaAstrogirl".

Very frequent meltdowns about TERFs, his testosterone poisoning as a teenager (which his body just normally produced), his recently bought pseudo-vagina that looks exactly like a "cisgender" woman's, how biological sex is as much a social construction as gender "because intersex people" and so on. He's also very attached to the gendered brain theory(which contradicts what was said earlier in this paragraph), the woman born in a man's body and all that pseudoscientific garbage, it's even led him to conflicts with other troons on Twitter. He is also obsessed with having a child with his sperm that he froze before his transition. We can see him screeching about the lesbophobia and transphobia of French state in dozen of tweets because ART isn't accessible for his specific case (TIM with a woman).

His Twitter profile | Archive

The number of retweets and/or likes on the posts is quite dizzying. He also loves to call out TERFs, despite the fact that they do not represent anything on the French Twitter, which is a troon supremacy. It was peak trans for me.

The tweets are translated so you can enjoy the luscious milk of the lolcow.

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"Trans people are regular people" that's what we will see.

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AGP delusion.


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The vagina phantom. Totally not creepy and valid.

also, about vaginas...
View attachment 2370557

The butchery has come.

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cisgina and breastfeeding !

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Beat a TERF 😠 mangina is perfect.

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Trans wo-men can breastfeed like any "cisgender" woman, it's a scientific fact. And it's not a gross male's kink at all.

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Stunning and brave. 💕

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Single-sex spaces are necessary. Unless you're an evil TERF who wants to exclude trans-identified males.

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That's why he dedicated his life to his misogynistic fetish.

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Like you saw, he has no passing and people are just polite and civilized enough to make sure that the narcissistic troon does not make a tantrum in public.

View attachment 2370590

Trans women are women, no matter where they are in their transition! Gender is a spectrum, biological sex is a social construction, but it took her pseudo-vagina to finally feel the skin of a female just butchered like the woman she has always been.

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Bonus : clueless actual womyn.

PS : Timeline, I think he posts it every month.

We should have never let the French learn English.
 
Man I keep hearing this but I never see any evidence. and when I look for it all I find are op-ed's brow beating Christians for not loving fags and troons.
I'm sure there are some weirdo Christians out there mutilating their kids for attention.
But you nibbas act like it's a really common thing.
and at this point I'm starting to think it's just a cope from trans-critcal left wingers looking for someone else to blame for the sorry state of things.
I think people are assuming all fundamentalists are the same across religions. Trans may be preferable to gay on a systemic level in Pakistan, but hardcore conservative Christians in the US would probably have a much harder time with their kid being trans as gay. They are both bad, but being trans is an immediate, visceral level of delusion and self-harm that also requires parents to engage in the delusion. It's just way harder than politely ignoring who your kid is dating.
 
I know the Wi Spa furore has mostly passed but I had a thought about it after a discussion in the other thread:

The main reason women divide into single-sex groups socially is not so much to avoid men as it is to avoid predators. That is really the key to most women-only spaces and female socializing. It is sad that one sex has to arrange so much of their lives around avoiding creepy males, but that is the way it is. I am especially talking about informal female friendship and hobby groups and 'girl's nights' and things like that. The informal 'rules' about excluding males from these groups have often been quite easily bent in the past, but the key always was that the men had to have something about them that made them obviously non-predatory. That is why you'd occasionally see exemptions made for gay men (the most obvious example) but sometimes also even straight men who are long-term partners of one of the women and have proved themselves over time to not be creeps. No one cares if Sarah's partner Ron tags along on girls' nights because he is a good DD and just quietly sits and reads a book. No one cares if your gay friend George is there in the room when you're discussing bikini waxes or whatever.

That is probably also why many HSTS were able to quite freely move in a lot of female spaces, even legally female-only ones, before the TRA movement took off. Even if they were clocked as technically male, they just didn't ring predator bells.

Note: I am definitely not saying that women do not have a right to spaces that exclude anyone biologically male, they absolutely do. I am just trying to come up with an explanation for why today's transwymyn are so absolutely destructive to women's spaces in a way that other men are not. Because they are come off as predators. They are predators, in that they are using women's spaces as ways to get their exhibitionist/voyeurist kicks, or to violate boundaries for their own validation, even if they are not physically attacking women (which of course some of them also do). It's always one level of using women for their own needs. And as soon as that 'predators are welcome here' vibe is created, most women simply leave.
At this point, it should be obvious to anyone paying attention that the people who are mostly responsible for the phenomenon of female single-sex groupings (sexual predators) self select into the group of men best able to avoid the restrictions that the pattern imposes (trannies). After all, if you don't include Little Miss 6' 4'' on your girls night, you're obviously being transphobic and want everyone who has ever come within a 5 foot radius of a tranny to go to the death camps. If the world was a little less Current Year than it is now, the fact that these scum have embraced the transgender movement so wholeheartedly would be food for thought.
 
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