250 Gators Removed From Walt Disney World Since 2016 Attack On Boy

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ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Wildlife officials have removed 250 alligators from Disney properties in the five years since a 2-year-old boy was killed by an alligator at the Grand Floridian Resort and Spa, a newspaper reported.

The company has worked with trappers contracted through the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission to remove the gators, according to the Orlando Sentinel.

Most of the nuisance gators taken from Disney properties are euthanized and sold for their hide and meat, Tammy Sapp, spokeswoman for the wildlife agency, told the newspaper.

Some are also transferred to alligator farms, animal exhibits and zoos, she said. Those less than 4 feet (1.2 meters) are relocated, she said.
Trappers receive $30 for every captured gator, plus the proceeds from any leather and meat sold, the newspaper reported.
After Lane Thomas Graves was killed in June 2016, Disney installed a wall and put up reptile warning signs along waterways throughout its resorts.

Disney guests said they’re glad the resort is proactively removing gators from its properties. A biology expert agreed, adding that the removals should have a minimal impact on the Florida alligator population.

Gina Parsley, a travel agency owner, told the Sentinel that her family stayed at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort last month and her 9-year-old daughter Gabriella spotted an alligator in the water. They told a campground employee and were informed that traps had been placed to trap the gator.

“We did not feel like it was a surprise to them,” Parsley said. “I would have been more concerned if my daughter had brought it to their attention and they were like, ‘Oh my gosh, where?’”
Parsley said she understands how difficult it is to keep the property free of alligators.

“You see neighborhoods where a gator just strolls across someone’s lawn and rings the doorbell,” she said. “It’s Florida: They do that. So, there’s definitely fighting against nature with that one.”
Florida’s alligator population is about 1.3 million, the newspaper reported. To be considered a nuisance within the Statewide Nuisance Alligator Program, an alligator must be least 4 feet (1.2 meters) long and pose a threat to people, pets and property.

The wildlife agency has removed close to 8,000 alligators annually over the past five years throughout the state of Florida.

Removing nuisance gators from Disney doesn’t have much of an impact on the population since they’re already living on developed land there, Deby Cassill, the integrative biology associate campus chair at the University of South Florida, told the Sentinel.

“It’s already been compromised by development,” Cassill said.
 
Swimming in small closed ecosystems like ponds is just not a good idea to begin with.
It still wasn't a pond, it was still the disney beach on the 7 seas lagoon. The one disney constructed with swimming, boating, etc. in mind.
Like I really don't get what people would've expected the mouse to do if this kid died from an amoeba or drowned instead, or e coli from a leaky diaper (that said there are probably plenty of people who would be ok if Disney banned all babies with leaky diapers from their property and euthanized any that were discovered).

If they knew the amoebas were a problem, they should have signs indicating that.
Drowning/e coli are known risks in all waters.

But ironically you hit on why I find the no swimming sign so insufficient. Generally "no swimming" in other areas (without specific warnings) means "There's no lifeguard here, no swimming because we don't want your dumb ass drowning."

In cases of dangerous wildlife I think their burden of responsibility is adequate signage (although a rope or something like they have now would be better) and not hosting party activities right next to the dangerous water. You wouldn't host a party next to a cliff edge, so why would it be okay to host it next to alligator infested waters?

If people are dumb enough to ignore warnings, the fault is on them, but in this case, disney was clearly negligent in how they treated the danger.

The gator isn't at fault for doing what comes naturally to gators, but I don't have a problem with it being killed given that they're not endangered and are threats to people.
 
So I read that there was no lawsuit, but the parents started a charity after the attack which raised millions of dollars.

I'm on the fence whether or not Disney was at fault, given that from what I've read, there were no references to gators and even if there were "no swimming" signs, the children were just wading in the water and not actually swimming.
 
So I read that there was no lawsuit, but the parents started a charity after the attack which raised millions of dollars.

I'm on the fence whether or not Disney was at fault, given that from what I've read, there were no references to gators and even if there were "no swimming" signs, the children were just wading in the water and not actually swimming.
to be fair to Disney, _nobody_ had "warning - alligators" signs until this
now they're way more common than gators
 
You don't go in water in Florida at night unless it's a pool. Generally, you don't go in ponds or lakes entirely. Because there are alligators and they will eat you. I mean, they teach this in elementary school in Florida, it's not that hard a concept.
 
Apparently Alligator's brains are only the size of half of a tablespoon.

An alligator's brain weighs only 8 or 9 grams and would take up only one-half of a tablespoon. This lack of brain power means there is no such thing as a "nice alligator." If it's hungry, an alligator will eat anything that moves.

To be fair, you could say the same thing about almost all animals including humans. If its hungry enough, it will eat you. Or in the case of Florida hobos, high enough on bath salts.

Gators and other crocodilians are actually pretty intelligent in terms of ability to learn and shit, they're just powerful wild animals you need to respect and such and learn how to not be a total retard if you choose to go into their habitat. It's nothing to do with lack of brainpower and everything to do with wild animals have no reason to do anything to humans other than murder them on sight. Exact same thing is true for wolves, big cats, gorillas, chimps, elephants, shit even dolphins I would keep some distance and not fucking swim with like people do. You are the one invading their space and homes and it is by luck and grace of god they don't instantly kill you if you start being a dipshit.

Honestly with as awful as humans are to animals like that (and other humans), we probably deserve to get murdered on sight by them lol

Anyway gators are cool and if I get eaten by one because I made the mistake of fucking around in a random pond in Florida let it be known that I do not want any gators to be killed because of it and I will haunt the shit out of anyone that tries it. Only Florida wildlife anyone is allowed to kill to avenge my death are serial killers/rapists/child molesters and I guess feral hogs.
 
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to be fair to Disney, _nobody_ had "warning - alligators" signs until this
now they're way more common than gators
Actually there's a contemporaneous article with a photo from the Hyatt that did. (I almost included it in my other post, but the article I chose was better about showing the disney property.) I'm no florida man so I can't be sure how common/ uncommon they were, but it seems like they weren't unheard of, at least in tourist hotspots.
 
Actually there's a contemporaneous article with a photo from the Hyatt that did. (I almost included it in my other post, but the article I chose was better about showing the disney property.) I'm no florida man so I can't be sure how common/ uncommon they were, but it seems like they weren't unheard of, at least in tourist hotspots.
I've seen those signs in lots of places too, including central GA where gators technically live but arent super common (northernmost part of their natural range). Not specifically having signs that clearly stated there were possibly gators and amoebas and whatever other shit was a mistake on Disney's part since even though you'd think it would be common sense there are people stupid enough to not realize there are gators in Florida (like people from Nebraska who named their kid Lane).

That said, I think disney should make sure to have signs clearly stating, in multiple languages and easily understood pictograms, that there might be gators and other critters potentially in random ponds but otherwise leave the gators alone and let people fuck around and find out as they may. Personally I would think seeing live wild gators chillin doing they thing would be cool af and exactly what I want in my dream Disney vacation, humans can swim in the pool and waterparks and shit, ponds should be for gators and gator-watching from a distance.

Vaguely related, last time I was in FL was a camping/herping trip in Appalachicola forest. We saw many gators (mostly smaller ones) as well as many snakes (both venomous and nonvenomous) and tons of other kick-ass shit. No one was eaten by a gator but even if one of us did I'm pretty sure we'd all just accept it because herpers.
 
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