US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

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Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
 
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So... yeah, Manchin caved on the election bill. This is his reason why:

Manchin confirmed in a statement he will vote "yes" on the procedural motion Tuesday. Manchin, who was been seeking to find a bipartisan compromise, offered criticism of his GOP colleagues for not joining him to at least begin an honest debate on the floor on voting reforms.

"Unfortunately, my Republican colleagues refused to allow debate of this legislation despite the reasonable changes made to focus the bill on the core issues facing our democracy," Manchin said. "As I have said before, the right to vote is fundamental to our American democracy and protecting that right should not be about party or politics. I remain committed to finding a bipartisan pathway forward because the future of our democracy is worth it."

Thoughts @Gehenna?
 
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SeniorFuckFace said:
I find it difficult to isolate a long-term benefit especially with the intensity it is being pushed and a proportionate, eventual push back...

It just not seem sustainable...
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There is no chance that there is a long term plan. These people will continue to get what they want for at least a while longer until this whole thing blows up in their faces and they end up getting mangled. How the rest of us fare is questionable though.

These people will drive us off a cliff though and feel entirely justified until a moment before impact. At which point they'll blame the right or some nonsense.
 
SeniorFuckFace said:
I would agree with conditioning, especially a social narrative and functioning as a social wedge creating division, turmoil and conflict amongst not only large groups and as well as individuals.

I find it difficult to isolate a long-term benefit especially with the intensity it is being pushed and a proportionate, eventual push back...

It just not seem sustainable...


Right, right...I just think it is unsustainable especially with the fervor it is being pushed.
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Its not sustainable, but never underestimate a democrats ability to oevrreach.
NeroRisotto said:
So... yeah, Manchin caved on the election bill. This is his reason why:

Manchin confirmed in a statement he will vote "yes" on the procedural motion Tuesday. Manchin, who was been seeking to find a bipartisan compromise, offered criticism of his GOP colleagues for not joining him to at least begin an honest debate on the floor on voting reforms.

"Unfortunately, my Republican colleagues refused to allow debate of this legislation despite the reasonable changes made to focus the bill on the core issues facing our democracy," Manchin said. "As I have said before, the right to vote is fundamental to our American democracy and protecting that right should not be about party or politics. I remain committed to finding a bipartisan pathway forward because the future of our democracy is worth it."

Thoughts @Gehenna?
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Its a procedural bump up to debate, not to vote it through. What is more, the Republicans signaled hard they'd filibuster it.


It costs Manchin nothing to vote yes here, especially as the debate would be on amendments he claims he'd support. It lets him retain control, without any worry of it backfiring.
 
What is interesting is that every single Republican joined the filibuster. This means the RINOs are joined in, and aren't even grandstanding. I'd propose that Romney's near miss censure and Cheney's ouster has shaken the RINO wing's confidence. They are looking to the midterms with worry.
 
Michael Wade said:
unrelated, but I hope this bastard loses hard.

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nah man, he needs to win. I want to see how some dude shits on every other top female athlete from other countries and they have to sit there and take it for the sake of inclusivity, while smugly politicizing an event that's about peaceful competition and representing your country. imagine being china, russia, or any other country in that moment where that shit doesn't fly. imagine the optics of that shit happening on live tv.
 
fat old sun said:
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I Have a Plan to Destroy America by Former Governor Richard Lamm, Democrat

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This seems to explain it pretty well
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How does a Governor voice a strategy to destroy America? How the fuck does that work? And what is the direct goal for them once it is destroyed? Perhaps that is just it, the gain and the goal; a destroyed nation.
 
ZMOT said:
nah man, he needs to win. I want to see how some dude shits on every other top female athlete from other countries and they have to sit there and take it for the sake of inclusivity, while smugly politicizing an event that's about peaceful competition and representing your country. imagine being china, russia, or any other country in that moment where that shit doesn't fly. imagine the optics of that shit happening on live tv.
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I won't be shocked if HE gets barred from competing for that comment.
 
Gehenna said:
Its not sustainable, but never underestimate a democrats ability to oevrreach.

Its a procedural bump up to debate, not to vote it through. What is more, the Republicans signaled hard they'd filibuster it.


It costs Manchin nothing to vote yes here, especially as the debate would be on amendments he claims he'd support. It lets him retain control, without any worry of it backfiring.
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To expand this a bit:

Joe Manchin (And Sinema) hold an immense amount of power right now as they are the make or break votes for the democrats. This is a problem for the Democrats as Joe Manchin is a Blue Dog Democrat who has to represent a fairly red area. Now, Joe basically doesn't give a fuck about federal-level politics at this point and has been angling towards a governorship for a while now. So pissing off his voters is a bad idea. But, if he sticks to that hard he will face some rather nasty backlash from the Democrats he'd rather avoid.

He has to play both sides.

So, he suggested a series of amendments he thinks would get him able to vote for the voting bill, and proposes a 'compromise' to reduce the filibuster down to 55 votes rather than 60. These are all 'reasonable' compromises that he knows will have exactly 0 chance of passing. Reducing the filibuster to 55 solves nothing, you'd still need 5 republicans to all break ranks and vote for a bill and the usual count of solid RINOs is 4, with 5 more soft RINOs who are very, VERY anti-Trump (put a pin in this). So, it basically would do nothing, and that means the voting bill -will- be filibustered. This frees up some basic strategy.

1: Propose 'reasonable' amendments to mollify the Democrats.
2: Then wait for the inevitable filibuster.
3: Grandstand about how tragic this is, but do absolutely nothing to resolve it.

Aaaand done. Keep that going indefinitely. All Joe Manchin has to do at this stage is continually vote for the bill to move to debates on his proposed amendments, and watch as it's inevitably filibustered. He has to make no further moves to secure his position because it's out of his hands. The only way to pass it is to abolish the filibusters. This brings us to the pin.

Manchin's proposed amendment to that is the weak link. Though he can stand firm on it with Sinema and the other two non-vocal bluedogs backing him. None of them have a good reason to change things. Even if the voting bill passed to secure their position, there is no guarantee it'd survive legal scrutiny. In fact there's a good chance it'd fail due to being rather explicitly unconstitutional. The only way to shore that up would be court stacking. So in order to sell this to the blue dogs, the Democrats would need to make the case for out and out corruption to them and... well, that's gonna be a hard fucking sell. Its a nonstarter.

So we have a case where the filibuster thing won't pass, and thus Manchin gets to do fuck and all now to retain his position. The only way this goes south is -potentially- if Trump runs. And this is likely why Trump hasn't thrown his hat in the ring just yet. Those 5 Trump Hating RINOs who voted to impeach him could prove decisive if a motion is made to reduce the number of filibuster votes from 60 to 55. Thus, Trump is remaining silent until after the mid terms.

The plan is fairly simply on the Republican side, Stall like mad till 2022, hopefully regain the Senate since the Democrats have failed to enshrine their bullshittery and without a strong anti-Trump sentiment they can't rig things elsewise. With the Senate under solid Republican control, the whole thing is dead in the water and Trump can announce he'll run the day McConnel gets the gavel.
 
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The Nothingness said:
Biden will address the nation tomorrow regarding violent crime and will focus gun violence. Is this a distraction from his current fuck-ups or part of the plan for those who are controlling him?
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Chipman's confirmation vote is Thursday, I think. Must be trying to drum up support. Can they filibuster that, too?
 
Meat Target said:
Chipman's confirmation vote is Thursday, I think. Must be trying to drum up support. Can they filibuster that, too?
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Sadly, no. But there has been some interesting things to say there might not be the floor votes on the Dem side to pass him. Again, with either Sinema or Manchin being possible holdouts. Its still likely he'll go through though, the noise hasn't been definite.
 
The Nothingness said:
Biden will address the nation tomorrow regarding violent crime and will focus gun violence. Is this a distraction from his current fuck-ups or part of the plan for those who are controlling him?
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I wonder if they will ever talk about how a majority of shootings in this country happen because of handguns and not the buzzword friendly AR15
 
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