Victoria’s Secret Swaps Angels for Female Empowerment. Will Women Buy It?

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Victoria’s Secret Swaps Angels for Female Empowerment. Will Women Buy It?​

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The embattled lingerie giant is attempting the most extreme brand turnaround in recent memory: an effort not just to redefine itself but also the very idea of what “sexy” is.
The VS Collective includes women famous for their achievements and not their proportions, like the soccer star and gender equality advocate Megan Rapinoe.Credit...Ryan Pfluger

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By Sapna Maheshwari and Vanessa Friedman
  • June 16, 2021, 5:05 p.m. ET
The Victoria’s Secret Angels, those avatars of Barbie bodies and playboy reverie, are gone. Their wings, fluttery confections of rhinestones and feathers that could weigh almost 30 pounds, are gathering dust in storage. The “Fantasy Bra,” dangling real diamonds and other gems, is no more.

In their place are seven women famous for their achievements and not their proportions. They include Megan Rapinoe, the 35-year-old pink-haired soccer star and gender equity campaigner; Eileen Gu, a 17-year-old Chinese American freestyle skier and soon-to-be Olympian; the 29-year-old biracial model and inclusivity advocate Paloma Essler, who was the rare size 14 woman on the cover of Vogue; and Priyanka Chopra Jonas, a 38-year-old Indian actor and tech investor.
They will be spearheading what may be the most extreme and unabashed attempt at a brand turnaround in recent memory: an effort to redefine the version of “sexy” that Victoria’s Secret represents (and sells) to the masses. For decades, Victoria’s Secret’s scantily clad supermodels with Jessica Rabbit curves epitomized a certain widely accepted stereotype of femininity. Now, with that kind of imagery out of step with the broader culture and Victoria’s Secret facing increased competition and internal turmoil, the company wants to become, its chief executive said, a leading global “advocate” for female empowerment.
Will women buy it? An upcoming spinoff, more than $5 billion in annual sales, and 32,000 jobs in a global retail network that includes roughly 1,400 stores are riding on the answer.
It is a stark change for a brand that not only long sold lingerie in the guise of male fantasy, but has also been scrutinized heavily in recent years for its owner’s relationship with the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and revelations about a misogynistic corporate culture that trafficked in sexism, sizeism and ageism.


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Paloma Essler, center, who calls herself “a 29-year-old mixed Black fem in a size 14 body,” said her decision to work with Victoria’s Secret “goes back to the sheer metrics of the situation.”Credit...Zoe Ghertner
“When the world was changing, we were too slow to respond,” said Martin Waters, the former head of Victoria’s Secret’s international business who was appointed chief executive of the brand in February. “We needed to stop being about what men want and to be about what women want.”
The seven women, who form a group called the VS Collective, will alternately advise the brand, appear in ads and promote Victoria’s Secret on Instagram. They are joining a company that has an entirely new executive team and is forming a board of directors in which all but one seat will be occupied by a woman.
Rarely has a company so dominant in its sector been exposed as trailing so far behind the culture as Victoria’s Secret was in the wake of the #MeToo movement.
It was, Ms. Rapinoe said bluntly, “patriarchal, sexist, viewing not just what it meant to be sexy but what the clothes were trying to accomplish through a male lens and through what men desired. And it was very much marketed toward younger women.” That message, she said, was “really harmful.”


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The actor Priyanka Chopra Jonas is part of the rebrand.Credit...Andrew Eccles
Victoria’s Secret’s cultural influence is a product of its industry standing. Though the company’s share of the U.S. women’s underwear market dropped to 21 percent last year from 32 percent in 2015, according to Euromonitor International, it is still a powerhouse. Its next closest competitor is Hanesbrands, with a 16 percent share.
Founded in 1977 as a store where men could feel comfortable shopping for lingerie, even the name referred to male fantasies of prim Victorian ladies who became naughty in the boudoir. The retail billionaire Leslie H. Wexner bought Victoria’s Secret in 1982 and turned it into a phenomenon that helped shape society’s view of female sexuality and beauty ideals. Central to its ethos were the “Angels” — supermodels like Heidi Klum and Tyra Banks who posed exclusively for the brand, often in G-strings, stilettos and wings. In 1995, it introduced the Victoria’s Secret fashion show, a sort of cross between a runway show and a pole dance that aired on network television for nearly two decades.
It has taken years for Victoria’s Secret to acknowledge that its marketing was dated. In that time, the value of the brand eroded and a slew of competitors grew in part by positioning themselves as the anti-Victoria’s Secret, complete with more typical women’s bodies and a focus on inclusivity and diversity.


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Martha Pease, the company’s chief marketing officer, was instrumental in forming the VS Collective.Credit...Celeste Sloman for The New York Times
The brand has also come under fire after Mr. Wexner’s close ties to Mr. Epstein came to light in 2019 and a New York Times investigation last year showed that Mr. Wexner and his former chief marketing officer, Ed Razek, presided over an entrenched culture of misogyny, bullying and harassment.
“I’ve known that we needed to change this brand for a long time, we just haven’t had the control of the company to be able to do it,” Mr. Martin said. As for the Angels? “Right now, I don’t see it as being culturally relevant,” he said.
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Mr. Razek and Mr. Wexner will not be a part of the new Victoria’s Secret, which will split from L Brands and Bath & Body Works to become its own public company this summer. (The pandemic scuttled a sale to a private-equity firm and swallowed $2 billion in revenue.) There are more women in charge, including a new chief marketing officer, Martha Pease, who has led the Collective initiative. The stores that survived a year of culling are becoming lighter and brighter, and mannequins — which have typically been a size 32B — will come in new shapes and sizes. The Angels imagery, which once even appeared on store bathroom TVs, will be phased out. The company will still sell products like thongs and lacy lingerie but its purview will expand, especially in areas like sportswear.


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Victoria’s Secret unveiled a Mother’s Day campaign last month that featured a pregnant model.Credit...Cass Bird
“In the old days, the Victoria brand had a single lens, which was called ‘sexy,’” Mr. Waters said. While that sold for decades, it also prevented the brand from offering products like maternity or post-mastectomy bras (not considered sexy) and prompted it to sell push-up sports bras (sexy, but not so popular). It also meant, he said, “that the brand never celebrated Mother’s Day.” (Not sexy.)
There are plenty of people who do, in fact, find motherhood seductive, but the myopia of the Victoria’s Secret lens was such that they were never acknowledged, let alone listened to.
“As a gay woman, I think a lot about what we think is sexy, and we are afforded the ability to do that, because I don’t have to wear the traditional sexy thing to be sexy and I don’t think the traditional thing is sexy when it comes to my partner or people I’ve dated,” said Ms. Rapinoe. “I think functionality is probably the sexiest thing we could possibly achieve in life. Sometimes just cool is sexy too.”
Victoria’s Secret, which did finally introduce a Mother’s Day campaign last month and even featured a pregnant model, will soon begin selling nursing bras. It also said it would work with its new partners like Ms. Rapinoe and Ms. Chopra Jonas on product lines set to appear next spring.
While it was “probably time for the Angels to go,” the lingerie powerhouse will have to strike a balance between moving forward and maintaining existing customers, said Cynthia Fedus-Fields, the former chief executive of the Victoria’s Secret division responsible for its catalog.
“If it was a $7 billion business pre-Covid, and much of that $7 billion was built on this blatant sexy approach, be careful with what you’re doing,” she said.


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Raúl Martinez, creative director, said it was his 15-year-old daughter who convinced him to join Victoria’s Secret. “She said, ‘Dad. Do it for us. The Gen Zs.’”Credit...Celeste Sloman for The New York Times
According to Raúl Martinez, who joined as creative director in January, every aspect of the brand is being reconsidered.
“It has to have a purpose, a reason, be there for the consumer to say: Wow, they’re really evolving,” he said, acknowledging that it was his 15-year daughter who convinced him to join Victoria’s Secret. “She said, ‘Dad. Do it for us. The Gen Zs.’” he recalled.
Still, the question remains: Why would women like Ms. Rapinoe and Ms. Chopra Jonas want to risk their names by placing their stamp of credibility on Victoria’s Secret. The line between selling out and infiltrating from within can be hard to discern.
“Of course there will be people who are like, ‘Does this make sense?’” said Ms. Rapinoe, who acknowledged that when she was first approached, “I, too, was like ‘What? Why do you want to work with me?’” She said she had been convinced by the willingness of the brand’s executives to acknowledge their mistakes and history, and by the fact that her role is not limited to the typical “brand ambassadorship,” but extends to consulting on language the company uses, the assortment of products it offers, and narrative it’s putting out.
Ms. Essler said her decision to join Victoria’s Secret “goes back to the sheer metrics of the situation.”
“I didn’t start modeling to just do all the cool stuff; I did it to change the world,” she said. “With platforms like VS, where you enter the living rooms of all people, that’s where you make radical change.” She saw part of her role as lobbying for Victoria’s Secret to increase their sizing to XXXXXL, she said. (It currently carries up to 42G in bras and XXL in nightwear.)
The VS Collective also includes Valentina Sampaio, a Brazilian trans model; Adut Akech, a model and South Sudanese refugee; and Amanda de Cadenet, the photographer and founder of #Girlgaze, the digital platform for female photographers. All of them, in the words of Ms. Rapinoe, are people who were not “typical brand targets in the past.” As for the fashion show, Mr. Waters said it would most likely return in 2022 in a very different form. What the brand will offer soon is a podcast featuring the women in the collective, a medium that requires no visuals.
“To rebrand is going to take a lot of steps to ensure that they have the consumer trust, that this isn’t just inclusivity-washing,” said Erin Schmidt, a senior analyst at Coresight Research.


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Eileen Gu, a skier who plans to compete at the Olympics, is also working with Victoria’s Secret.Credit...Jacob Sutton
Victoria’s Secret is betting a chunk of its marketing budget that persuading such unexpected personalities to join their cause will in turn convince consumers, and potential investors, to similarly believe in its shift, giving a new meaning to halo effect.
As Ms. Rapinoe said, “I don’t know if Victoria has a secret anymore.”


 
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the amount of women who are hot enough to buy/wear old VS lingerie was probably very small
the amount of women who are narcissistic enough to buy products based on simple YAS KWEEN SLAY! GURL POWER! marketing is probably bigger

so yeah i could see this actually work out for them
I guess I'm not like other girls, then. :story:
 
the amount of women who are hot enough to buy/wear old VS lingerie was probably very small
the amount of women who are narcissistic enough to buy products based on simple YAS KWEEN SLAY! GURL POWER! marketing is probably bigger

so yeah i could see this actually work out for them

On the other hand, those women had their wardrobes purchased by men and they were pretty enough to reel in the elon musks, or smart enough to make some clothes investments to be able to reel in elon musks.

They had a whale strategy, where they get a lot of money from a small number of buyers. Now they're going for a more mass market strategy.

The reason why it will fail is that the new whales (the non financial kind) they're targetting want to delude themselves they are pretty. This is going to have none of the mystique and charm, because they do it in a woke way rather than in a business minded way.

The businessway would be to design variants of the thin models that work for fat models. Then they're just like the angels, with just a little extra. A little extra spice, little extra curves,little extra bass.

But by making it central focus, they're telling women: "you're fat, buy our stuff it is for fat people". It's insulting and it won't work.
 
But by making it central focus, they're telling women: "you're fat, buy our stuff it is for fat people". It's insulting and it won't work.

Car companies don't fail by making cheap cars, they fail by not convincing you it's anything but a cheap car.
 
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The management of Victoria’s Secret fell for this meme:
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Now, if Victoria’s Secret was modeled after Dove’s from the beginning, I probably wouldn’t care that much, but really, what is so wrong about looking at attractive women?
 
The management of Victoria’s Secret fell for this meme:
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Now, if Victoria’s Secret was modeled after Dove’s from the beginning, I probably wouldn’t care that much, but really, what is so wrong about looking at attractive women?
Yeah. It makes sense for dove. They sell products that every woman uses in about equal quantities. Much more sensible than fucking mid to high-range lingerie, which is a whale market because it is pretty expensive.
 
This clothing is made for young coeds, who have probably been roofied at least once and old women desperately trying to recapture their youth. How dare they betray their fanbase like this.
 
It's a lingerie business. It's supposed to be for women. The only people who should care enough about having a matching bra/panties set, IS FUCKING WOMEN.
Women like angels, women like the idea that their lingerie choice could be considered to be on the same level as "goddess-like".

I can't wait for this shit to backfire.
Or it's for straight dudes who want to see their gf/wife wearing it. In which case, healthy, fit, attractive women are still the standard.
 
I guess I'm not like other girls, then. :story:
majority of girls are overweight or obese (guys too but thats not the target market here) which pretty much immediately disqualifies them from being a customer for old VS, and makes old VS marketing alienating to them. new VS will face no such problems.

the big question is whether new VS can actually get them to buy lingerie. they'll get tons of tweets telling them how stunning and brave they are, their 'fan base' will grow a lot, but whether that translates to actual sales remains to be seen

Or it's for straight dudes who want to see their gf/wife wearing it. In which case, healthy, fit, attractive women are still the standard.
i dont think so
if appealing to horny dudes was the goal then they'd have displayed the product on girls who look like porn stars (big tits wide hips) instead of these rail thin fashion models they were famous for
 
What these silly shots seem to forget is that Victoria’s Secret is worn by women, yes, but it’s typically worn for a man (oftentimes the men that bought it for them- hopefully). They’re dumb as hell to move away from the “sexy sexy model” shit. It’s literally part of the fantasy, for men and women alike. He wants to see you in it and you wanna feel sexy on it.
 
Why the fuck would fatties splurge on expensive lingerie anyways? It's only the fat daughters with wealthy parents that are the market. Fatties don't have a sugardaddy, they don't have a rich boyfriend and if they had discipline to work hard and earn money well, they'd have the discipline to lose weight.

The more I think about it, the more I think this market is legit smaller than the one they're leaving.
 
The management of Victoria’s Secret fell for this meme:
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Now, if Victoria’s Secret was modeled after Dove’s from the beginning, I probably wouldn’t care that much, but really, what is so wrong about looking at attractive women?
Funny thing is? I don't think the second picture is actually that bad as far as body types (mostly). First one is a bit too stick figure for me. Why would you model bras when you have no boobs?

But this campaign isn't about the second picture. It's not about normal, average women. It's about fatass dangerhairs who are bitter that Chad wouldn't fuck them and they now live alone with four cats. It's about the deliberate, ongoing destruction of beauty and the forced celebration of ugliness. Because if they can't be beautiful, nobody can.
 
What a fucking nightmare that now even Victoria’s Secret has gone Woke, but of course this was inevitable.

Please tell me why it's not ok for there to be just one single fucking brand that is predicated on what heterosexual men find sexy and not more "GURRRRRRRRRL POWURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" bullshit? I guess there's still Hooters, but how long till that too goes Woke?

Every single fucking other thing peddles in 'GURRRRRL POWUUUUUR" now but it's not ok for at least Victoria’s fucking Secret to be an exception? I hate how uncompromising Woke is, they want every single fucking thing under their thumb, no exceptions.

This is not what anybody meant when they said they like women with curves. CURVES, not a perfect sphere.
The models in the 2000s were definitely too skinny, beautiful faces but men like a little more va va voom, the real gold standard is what they used to call the "hour glass" figure.

However making them curvier is not what this is will be about, it'll be about simply making them fat, I like how the fashion industry pivoted from rail thin to full on fucking fat, there's really no middle ground here?

And once again troonery ruins something from my youth. The Victoria's Secret catalog was how I survived middle school and now it's going to be full of dudes and ham beasts..(:_(
Once as a teen I just simply walked into a Victoria's Secret store by myself and asked an employee lady for a catalog, lol.
 
In their place are seven women famous for their achievements and not their proportions. They include Megan Rapinoe, the 35-year-old pink-haired soccer star and gender equity campaigner; Eileen Gu, a 17-year-old Chinese American freestyle skier and soon-to-be Olympian; the 29-year-old biracial model and inclusivity advocate Paloma Essler, who was the rare size 14 woman on the cover of Vogue; and Priyanka Chopra Jonas, a 38-year-old Indian actor and tech investor.
This is what they took from you:
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Never forget. Never forgive.
 
Y'know what? If done right this could expand their market share and really re-energize the brand. Maybe they can make every woman feel like an angel in her own unique way. Let's see if they're in touch with what makes a woman feel confident, comfortable, and sexy.
“As a gay woman, I think a lot about what we think is sexy, and we are afforded the ability to do that, because I don’t have to wear the traditional sexy thing to be sexy and I don’t think the traditional thing is sexy when it comes to my partner or people I’ve dated,” said Ms. Rapinoe. “I think functionality is probably the sexiest thing we could possibly achieve in life. Sometimes just cool is sexy too.”
When women feel sexy is when they feel "functional and just cool?" Due to my dangly bits I'm no expert on what clothes make a woman feel her best, but I think Ms Rapinoe might be slightly divorced from what the majority of women want as well.
Ms. Essler... saw part of her role as lobbying for Victoria’s Secret to increase their sizing to XXXXXL, she said. (It currently carries up to 42G in bras and XXL in nightwear.)
Holy fucking shit.
 
Shame, Victoria's Secret bras declined in quality years ago (I'm talking about the durability of the materials, not subjective opinions on the designs themselves), but I always said I thought the Angels had nice figures and would name them when talking to misinformed losers crying about how unhealthy models are.

I miss when advertising was aspirational escapism instead of lowest-common denominator validation, but hiring some genetic dead ends to look into a camera with a smile and say, "I'm a fat fuck who gave up on my dreams, just like you, and I love [Brand!]" is the order of the day unfortunately.
 
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