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Oliver Onions said:
It's very similar to the 'fuck your beauty standards' movement from a few years back, which was pushed entirely by fat ugly people who felt their hideousness, inside and out, should not be a barrier to them dating George Clooney.
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I call it the Stealth Video Game Theory. If you're playing a stealth videogame properly, you will sneak around the guards and evade detection. But if you're caught, of course, you will start blasting everything in sight. Basically the case here. It's also why the absolute worst of the trans community is the loudest.
 
DoubleD said:
#TransMenAreMen is trending in the UK and I couldn't help but take the chance to harvest some of the cringe.

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They're happy... that a tag is trending so they get validation. Some are thanking Twitter itself for this.

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Anyway, I've just had a thought. Does depicting someone with the trans flag colours not make them look inherently less masculine?

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To say nothing of the flag's other associations. I just find it amusing that trans MEN have this flag when, from a design perspective, this selection of colours does not convey masculinity in the slightest.

There's pink of course, but even if you ignore that colour's association with girls, the three of them together make it look like pastel baby colours.

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This is intentional on the part of the flag's creator.

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Why this many self-confessed men would want to infantilise themselves with this symbolism is beyond me.
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They're pedos.
Infantilisation is part of the fun for them.
 
DumbDude42 said:
i think womens bodies have higher sensitivity to androgens due to not being used to high levels of them
so when they start blasting ridiculous amounts of testosterone, their body's reaction is extremely over the top, at least initially
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Women also have higher hair follicle density than men to begin with. Men's testosterone makes for larger follicles, coarser hair. So when a woman blasts androgens, they have higher follicle density + male level test = super hairy.

One thing that's interesting to me is that most MTF try to be a caricature of a feminine woman, but fail miserably. Most FTM trans, however, actually COULD be a very convincing man if they just took bodybuilding-style steroids instead of the doctor-recommended dose. Before the IFBB eliminated the women's division of the Olympia, a lot of the chicks would have made convincing dudes if they just cut their hair short and stopped shaving body hair:
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If women take enough steroids and get ripped, they could completely transition without even getting top surgery. (I've competed in powerlifting for over a decade, and though I don't use drugs, I'm around a lot of people who do.) The breasts just go away with that level of steroids and low bodyfat, the voice deepens, and they have to shave their face to keep from growing a beard. I was always curious why more trans women didn't go that route, but I'm guessing it's more because they're actually just butch lesbians, and unlike male troons, their desire to transition isn't based on some obsession with a caricature of the opposite sex's body type.
 
lyga said:
Women also have higher hair follicle density than men to begin with. Men's testosterone makes for larger follicles, coarser hair. So when a woman blasts androgens, they have higher follicle density + male level test = super hairy.

One thing that's interesting to me is that most MTF try to be a caricature of a feminine woman, but fail miserably. Most FTM trans, however, actually COULD be a very convincing man if they just took bodybuilding-style steroids instead of the doctor-recommended dose. Before the IFBB eliminated the women's division of the Olympia, a lot of the chicks would have made convincing dudes if they just cut their hair short and stopped shaving body hair:
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If women take enough steroids and get ripped, they could completely transition without even getting top surgery. (I've competed in powerlifting for over a decade, and though I don't use drugs, I'm around a lot of people who do.) The breasts just go away with that level of steroids and low bodyfat, the voice deepens, and they have to shave their face to keep from growing a beard. I was always curious why more trans women didn't go that route, but I'm guessing it's more because they're actually just butch lesbians, and unlike male troons, their desire to transition isn't based on some obsession with a caricature of the opposite sex's body type.
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Or maybe they are just too lazy to do weights. What would happen to a woman who took those steroids but didn’t work out?
 
artilleryfroth said:
Or maybe they are just too lazy to do weights. What would happen to a woman who took those steroids but didn’t work out?
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Good point. They could still look very masculine if they blasted a highly androgenic compound, and many of the effects (facial masculinizing, voice deepening) are permanent like puberty is for men.

Obviously, to get into Ms. Olympia shape takes a TON of effort, but they actually would probably still look super manly if they did highly androgenic steroids. There are basically two aspects to steroids used in bodybuilding/weightlifting: the anabolic factor (builds muscle) and the androgenic (deepens voice, body hair, enlarges clitoris, etc.)

Most women in strength sports, even the huge ones, are straight and try to avoid the more androgenic compounds as much as they can because they don't want those effects. They usually still end up looking pretty freakish if they do it long enough, though.

All that to say, based on what I've seen in strength sports, I think most FTM trannies could blast a highly androgenic compound for a year and probably come out looking more masculine than 90% of FTMs do, even without lifting weights.
 
Unpaid Emotional Labourer said:
Imagine some BLAntifa bougie deciding because a native black African woman does not share their luxury beliefs she has to call herself white now.
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To be fair to them, a lot of Adichie’s critics are legit Nigerian (or at least claim to be, and their post history sounds convincing enough). Nationality doesn’t mean much when you’ve pledged allegiance to the country of Twitter.
 
artilleryfroth said:
Or maybe they are just too lazy to do weights. What would happen to a woman who took those steroids but didn’t work out?
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If you go on T and get fatter then you basically look like a baby-faced balding alcoholic. You get the moon face and the huge gut.

I go on Susan's Place every once in a while and there's a GIGANTIC difference between the FtMs who work out and the ones who don't.

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There are still some noticeable tells based on skeletal structure (which you can't change.) People might think something was off but probably wouldn't immediately be able to clock her the way they can do Gaydens.
 
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eternal dog mongler said:
If you go on T and get fatter then you basically look like a baby-faced balding alcoholic. You get the moon face and the huge gut.

I go on Susan's Place every once in a while and there's a GIGANTIC difference between the FtMs who work out and the ones who don't.

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There are still some noticeable tells based on skeletal structure (which you can't change.) People might think something was off but probably wouldn't immediately be able to clock her the way they can do Gaydens.
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This is true, but there are compounds used in bodybuilding/strongman/powerlifting that are insanely more androgenic than testosterone, and not even approved for human use, e.g. some are steroids used to maximize meat production in livestock. I wouldn't be surprised if that person you've posted also didn't run one of the compounds that's more androgenic than testosterone. Doctors will basically just prescribe test and a few other things if I understand correctly, and legally can't prescribe some of the insane stuff that people take in the strength / bodybuilding community.
 
Shovel Mech Pilot said:
"Biological sex isn't real", 99% of the time, is a cope from bitter non-passing trans women. You almost never see this sentiment from trans women who pass or are at least close to passing.
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I didn't actually realize things had gotten so bad that they're outright denying that biological sex is a real thing. How can that be? This is the epitome of gaslighting, trying to make you think that something that is extremely obvious and self-evident in day to day life, not to mention fundamental to human existence, is not real.

It's fucking depressing, honestly, It's depressing because people are too scared of offending and being called a "bigot" to push back against the obvious denial of what is true. This is a simulation, right?
 
lyga said:
This is true, but there are compounds used in bodybuilding/strongman/powerlifting that are insanely more androgenic than testosterone, and not even approved for human use, e.g. some are steroids used to maximize meat production in livestock. I wouldn't be surprised if that person you've posted also didn't run one of the compounds that's more androgenic than testosterone. Doctors will basically just prescribe test and a few other things if I understand correctly, and legally can't prescribe some of the insane stuff that people take in the strength / bodybuilding community.
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Also like you said, the anabolic versus the androgenic

Fetish Roulette said:
I can't remember the last time someone told me that straight, biological men are men, and now I feel dangerously invalidated. When will the LGBTQIA2P+ community speak out? There are straight, biological men killing themselves right at this very moment, and it's all their fault!
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Straight men, last time I checked, are the highest suicide category. Fuck, maybe all you need is a flag? Pisses me off.
 
Someone should tell MTFs that them 41% is a very male thing to do, they might stop blathering on about it. Or at least feel one last hit of crushing dysphoria as they jump in front of the train
 
eternal dog mongler said:
If you go on T and get fatter then you basically look like a baby-faced balding alcoholic. You get the moon face and the huge gut.

I go on Susan's Place every once in a while and there's a GIGANTIC difference between the FtMs who work out and the ones who don't.

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There are still some noticeable tells based on skeletal structure (which you can't change.) People might think something was off but probably wouldn't immediately be able to clock her the way they can do Gaydens.
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Yeah this was a problem with an FTM I used to work with. She was like Polynesian or something and 5'2 at best. Got top surgery and all the rest but still just looked like a dumpy dyke, one who couldn't grow any facial hair at all, too. Also her voice was just a woman's voice, no way around it
 
GenitalFetishist said:
Straight white men. If suicidality were an indicator of oppression, then that would show that straight white men are the most oppressed people evar.

Which (as you can imagine) makes wokies very sour when it's brought up.
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We are all meant to hate white men as oppressors, and white women as “Karens”. The USA-driven narrative is frankly exhausting.
 
It’s always hilarious seeing women try to say they’re men while wearing makeup and making the same amount of efforts to pass as the typical MTF ghoul or ghast.
 
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