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The tacky, loose standards of topic, "I'll draw what I feel like drawing" "low brow" periodicals is what gives anime its charm as a medium, something that is rare in western comics and completely lost in western animation.
I did notice that a lot of the criticisms towards the medium from those that dislike it always tend to default to the fact that the animation looks rather choppy and not as fluid compared to other cartoons, and the mouth flaps are all that is used for when the characters are speaking.

Your thoughts? Honestly, I think that the more fluid movements of Western animation actually looks more uncanny compared to anime. Heck, a lot of the more acclaimed Western cartoons tend to take notes from anime, and also use less frames for movement.
 
I did notice that a lot of the criticisms towards the medium from those that dislike it always tend to default to the fact that the animation looks rather choppy and not as fluid compared to other cartoons, and the mouth flaps are all that is used for when the characters are speaking.

Your thoughts? Honestly, I think that the more fluid movements of Western animation actually looks more uncanny compared to anime. Heck, a lot of the more acclaimed Western cartoons tend to take notes from anime, and also use less frames for movement.
I never thought anime to be particularly choppy enough to be an issue, the animation is fluid enough where it counts, and they make up with technique. Sure, western animation can be more fluid, but from what I've seen, they cut back on practically everything else to compensate.
 
FLCL really and truly shouldn't be someone's first foray into anime unless they're already animation fans. It's a strange, strange show that perfectly encapsulates what even is anime, but it has a lot of animation quirks that fans of the medium will appreciate the first time around. It's definitely a quintessential show for anime fans, yes, but make it like someone's 50th or 100th overall anime.

Now Golden Boy is where it's at.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JxjS7IqcUYk
The problem with Golden Boy is the same problem as Usagi Drop. If people enjoy the anime, they might seek out the manga, and the end of the manga will make them retroactively hate the anime, and possibly manga as a whole.

Speaking of manga, if I was to recommend 1 and only 1 manga, it would be 20th Century Boys. It’s like if someone took the time scale of IT and the breadth of The Stand, the conspiracy stuff of a Dan Brown novel, several mysteries, action, adventure, nostalgia and reverence for Japan’s history and culture, multiple strong female protagonists, a card game as tense as Casino Royale, and one of the greatest lines ever “When a man is singing, you don’t shoot him!”, and combined them together. And that’s just the stuff I can say without spoilers.

Again, maybe it‘s like FLCL in that you have to have some preappreciation for the genre, but in my mind it is the superlative epic of manga and is the one I think everyone should at least try.

You can say Spirited Away or My Neighbor Totoro is mainstream, but you don’t see them saying the same thing regarding a Kiki’s Delivery Service
maybe it’s a time and place thing, but when I was growing up the concept of “anime” wasn’t really a thing most kids knew about, but most girls in my elementary school had seen Kiki’s Delivery Service. But we all either thought it was a Disney film, or that it was in that Nimh, Land Before Time ”Not Disney but cool” vein,
 
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Anyone know why the first volume of Love Hina omnibus series is either $40-60+ or its on the verge of being sold out almost everywhere? I actually wanted to get all five omnibus versions over the summer.
 
Anyone know why the first volume of Love Hina omnibus series is either $40-60+ or its on the verge of being sold out almost everywhere? I actually wanted to get all five omnibus versions over the summer.
I think it being sold out everywhere is actually the main reason it's so expensive, it's in high demand so suppliers are inflating the price to get a bigger profit out of it. I never actually knew Love Hina was that popular, I knew it was somewhat popular in the early 2000s but I didn't think it would still keep it's popularity in it's later years.

It also tends to happen to manga that have gone out of print and didn't get any reprints, so they become increasingly rarer and more of a collector's item.
 
I think it being sold out everywhere is actually the main reason it's so expensive, it's in high demand so suppliers are inflating the price to get a bigger profit out of it. I never actually knew Love Hina was that popular, I knew it was somewhat popular in the early 2000s but I didn't think it would still keep it's popularity in it's later years.

It also tends to happen to manga that have gone out of print and didn't get any reprints, so they become increasingly rarer and more of a collector's item.
Good thing I managed to just get TekkonKinkreet for surprisingly a good price today. I just saw that manga was going for about $140+. Either way, I guess it will have to be digital scans for Love Hina for the time being.
 
The movie got panned for a reason, I'm not going to deny it despite that movie being one of my biggest guilty pleasures. The TV show only was ripped apart by kids on the playground saying it was a Pokémon ripoff, it was otherwise liked by everyone who saw it all the way through and its sequel. Tamers was where it lost people.
Really? Because Tamers was my favorite season.
 
Really? Because Tamers was my favorite season.
Those who stuck with it love it to death, but after 02 aired on Fox Kids, it being a different season with new characters and setting altogether didn't interest a lot of kids. I know it took me years to actually see the entire season all the way through and realize exactly what I was missing.
 
Those who stuck with it love it to death, but after 02 aired on Fox Kids, it being a different season with new characters and setting altogether didn't interest a lot of kids. I know it took me years to actually see the entire season all the way through and realize exactly what I was missing.
I would have thought it was the finale of Adventure 2 that turned people off.

Also every time I’ve seen them re-air Tamers, they skip so many of the later episodes because of how dark they are.
 
FLCL really and truly shouldn't be someone's first foray into anime unless they're already animation fans. It's a strange, strange show that perfectly encapsulates what even is anime, but it has a lot of animation quirks that fans of the medium will appreciate the first time around. It's definitely a quintessential show for anime fans, yes, but make it like someone's 50th or 100th overall anime.

Now Golden Boy is where it's at.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JxjS7IqcUYk
I actually did find FLCL kind of off putting the first time I tried to watch as I was still fairly new to anime, it had to grow on me a bit, it's definitely not beginner level.

Golden Boy really surprised me with how genuinely good it is, a cut above most fanservice stuff.

I gotta ask, what do you guys think the general reception of the medium as a whole is like nowadays?

I know back in the 2000s, while it was still gaining popularity, anime was being viewed by some as being "tacky, cheaply made, and holding no substance" for some people. By the way, that is a direct quote from this guy, who was one of the most popular people on Youtube during its early inception years. He basically said that liking anime was "beneath him", and many people agreed with him.
It's in a really weird place these days when compared to the 2000s.

I would say in the 2000s it hit higher highs, to think there was a time in which you could find Shonen Jump or issues of Anime Insider at grocery stores is kind of incredible to think about today, as well as there simply being more magazines devoted to it in general, there was more anime on broadcast television, there was also Spirited Away winning the Oscar, which never happened again for an anime film despite many nominations, anime really flirted with going full on mainstream back then, although the culture ultimately wound up going with superheroes instead.

On the flipside to that while you may not be able to find magazines at grocery stores, you can find Hatsune Miku posters and other anime merchandise and DVDs/Blu Rays at Target and Wal-Mart, which is pretty incredible, anime is more easily accessible than it ever was on broadcast TV thanks to streaming and you can find a metric ton of manga at what few book stores are left, more than you would find back then.

It basically sits at the "kid's table" among the pop cultural landscape, it's not mainstream but everyone is at least well aware of it and you can find some stuff alongside your comic book, movie and TV merchandise ala anime Funko Pops, it's not the main focus but it is at least treated as a worthy part of the landscape.

I miss the days when it seemed like the sky was the limit, but not going mainstream has turned out to be a blessing in disguise thanks to Woke and what it's done to other nerd cultures and it's certainly in a way healthier place now that it was around a decade ago, the days when the bottom fell out of the DVD market were bleak, it basically went through a sort of bell curve, with a peak around 2005, a nadir around 2010 and a peak again now, things could be better, but they could also be a lot worse.

I would also say there's real potential for anime and manga to actually go mainstream again in the future considering the way Woke is bleeding everything else dry, look at how much more manga is selling than US comic books at the moment, people could be turning to Japanese media in general in a big way soon as western media becomes Woker and Woker, look at the cultural phenomenon Resident Evil 8 has been, it's been the game that has gotten people the most excited in a while, could it be a sign of things to come?
 
The movie got panned for a reason, I'm not going to deny it despite that movie being one of my biggest guilty pleasures.
Wasn't the American movie a mish-mash of like 3 different Digimon movies? I can't imagine the discussion that decided doing something so stupid was a good idea in the first place.
 
I would have thought it was the finale of Adventure 2 that turned people off.

Also every time I’ve seen them re-air Tamers, they skip so many of the later episodes because of how dark they are.
I remember the end of 02 start of Tamers time. I can say from personal experience that Tamers being a whole new cast & story is the only reason I gave Digimon another chance after A2. I have been almost tempted to watch A2 again sometime with a sub just to see if it actually makes any sense and was just butchered but my backlog is long enough without it.
 
Wasn't the American movie a mish-mash of like 3 different Digimon movies? I can't imagine the discussion that decided doing something so stupid was a good idea in the first place.
It was three OVA/films mashed together to attempt a coherent story throughout. It did. Not work.

Also replaced the music with a bunch of random American songs. It’s a good soundtrack, don’t get me wrong, but boy does it not fit Digimon at all.


Tamers definitely had my favorite Digimon along with the darker story and plot beats.
 
Tamers definitely had my favorite Digimon along with the darker story and plot beats.
Tamers was fantastic but I had a soft spot for Frontier. A lot of digimon fans don't seem to be fond of it, but I liked the idea of kids themselves actually going around and beating some ass. Starts to go to shit when the Royal Knights show up though. Not as exciting when only two of the main characters can do anything.
 
Tamers was fantastic but I had a soft spot for Frontier. A lot of digimon fans don't seem to be fond of it, but I liked the idea of kids themselves actually going around and beating some ass. Starts to go to shit when the Royal Knights show up though. Not as exciting when only two of the main characters can do anything.
I thought it was okay. The kids being Digimon thing was neat like in Tamers, but I really missed the dynamic between the kid and their partner Digimon as time went on.

And yeah, it did get boring when only two mattered in the end.
 
Wasn't the American movie a mish-mash of like 3 different Digimon movies? I can't imagine the discussion that decided doing something so stupid was a good idea in the first place.
It was supposed to be shown on TV only, but Saban or Fox Kids (probably Fox Kids) insisted it be shown in American theaters, so they had to Frankenstein three movies together so it was nearly 90 minutes. That was after some of the movies had to be edited themselves in cutting out footage.

(Honestly, the dub saved the 02 movies for me. The original is just too slow-paced for my taste.)
 
I only ever watched Digimon sporadically back in the day, and it never made that much of an impact on me; to be fair, neither did Pokemon either. But I've been watching the original Digimon Adventure subbed with some friends, and man, I've been surprised at how invested I am. It's actually telling a story that I care to see through to the end, which I wasn't expecting when we started. It really hammers home just how much Saban butchered the story and characters in the dub, not to mention the travesty of replacing the music. On that note (pun not intended), I do wish they had more songs for evolution/battles than just the one that seems to play at least once every episode; it's a good song, but could they not have afforded to pay someone to write another song or two?

So yeah, I'd say it holds up. Just do yourself a favor and avoid the dub; dubs may have varying qualities, but Digimon's is just bad.
 
Surprised how no one mentions Studio Ghibli movies or Pokémon/Yu-Gi-Oh! as the best starter entry anime to watch. If not that, you can always try Digimon.
the best entry anime is the last unicorn, prove me wrong.
also, some of the yuropoor oldfags might remember some co-produced nippon animation series back from the 70s/80s, like
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the opening (and some of the others) are so fucking ingrained over here it's almost cultural heritage at this point, which kept on till the 90s with sailor moon and others (the german mega man OP is especially notorious, look it up).
to understand what I mean, imagine the US pokemon intro, but several times going back a generation or two, similar to the saber rider or galaxy rangers.

The problem with Golden Boy is the same problem as Usagi Drop. If people enjoy the anime, they might seek out the manga, and the end of the manga will make them retroactively hate the anime, and possibly manga as a whole.
wait, what happens in the manga?
I remember golden boy way back then on MTV of all things (when they still played music most of the time).
 
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