Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?
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Over a decade later and the best deconstruction of superheroes comes from a motherfucking Disney movie.
Without swearing, fucking or needless gore. We really are de-evolving.
Admittedly it was a proper Pixar movie when it was made and has only become a Disney movie by acquisition.
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And it was even a reconstruction in a sense as well. Not often a creator disassembles a watch and fixes it in a better way. Most days, they prefer breaking it just because
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I still find it weird that an adult animated drama did well enough to have 2 seasons greenlit in advance
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It’s an adaptation, so this is basically saying “okay, you did well enough to justify adapting more of the source material”.
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you've got to start somewhere
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If the cast didn't tell us already everything about Invincible already has been decided.
This is their gambit in a sea of gambits.
They have just switched around some events and condensed a few things. You also have to remember that everything in Season 1 is considered the "Good" part of invincible. Its only going to plummet from here and the next two seasons are going to be rough.
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So, since the "Think Mark!" meme is pretty much everywhere, i decided to give Invincible a shot, i wasn't expecting it to be "good" since i believe nothing related to capeshit is "good", but i was pleasantly surprised, maybe because i had low expectations i guess. There are some things to enjoy here, i liked the action and and violence and i'm not afraid to admit it, and some characters are entertaining, Omniman, Cecil, the Mauler Tiwns, that demon detective, etc.
The thing is, i think Invincible's biggest problem is that it doesn't know what kind show it is or what kind of audience it wants. Because when Invincible it's not focused on the characters i previously mentioned, it's like a completely different show, lots of stupid teen drama, gays and niggers everywhere, straight white men are a minority, i admit i skipped a lot of scenes focusing on Mark's gay friend or his black feminist girlfriend, and there was a lot of those.
Invincible doesn't know if it wants to be a somewhat serious and violent superhero show, or yet another cartoon for the woke crowd, not too different from Voltron, She-ra or Steven Universe.
The thing is, i think Invincible's biggest problem is that it doesn't know what kind show it is or what kind of audience it wants. Because when Invincible it's not focused on the characters i previously mentioned, it's like a completely different show, lots of stupid teen drama, gays and niggers everywhere, straight white men are a minority, i admit i skipped a lot of scenes focusing on Mark's gay friend or his black feminist girlfriend, and there was a lot of those.
Invincible doesn't know if it wants to be a somewhat serious and violent superhero show, or yet another cartoon for the woke crowd, not too different from Voltron, She-ra or Steven Universe.
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Is The Incredibles a deconstruction though? A deconstruction (from my understanding) is when story tropes are inserted into a "real world" resulting in a completely different tone and results (ie, the teenage hero has PTSD and severe depression, or the results of a battle create permanent damage for the rest of the hero's life).
The Incredibles poke fun in some tropes and has a bit of real world logic but that's almost entirely in the opening. Afterwards it's very much a sincere reason why Super Heroes exist and should use their powers.
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To those who have read the source material, is an explanation given to how Omni-Man and Eve maintain their civilian identities? With the running gag of Superman and Supergirl in recent adaptations just using glasses and not having a different personality (unlike how Christopher Reeves' Clark Kent was the opposite of his Superman), I would have thought Omni and Eve would be careful with revealing they're superheroes when not on duty (especially since Eve is in high school). I guess an explanation for Eve is that she was originally part of a government-sanctioned group and they can pull strings while Omni is a guy not to fuck with.
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Its yet another stupid explanation that Eve gives really early on. Basically, they can maintain their civ identities because normal people just can't really believe they are superheroes when they act like civs.
Sure they might comment that they look "similar", but that's as far as other people go in terms of reasoning. They otherwise just don't believe it for absolutely no reason other than Eve says so.
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This is by far the dumbest and most inexplicable part, which I brought up earlier in the thread. Omni-man literally walks through the front door in-costume, and flies around the neighborhood in broad daylight. Invincible craters his backyard in the middle of the night. Their neighbors have got to be COMPLETELY braindead to not realize the famous writer who lives next door is actually Omni-man.
Honestly, I feel like they should’ve done away with the secret identities completely. With the way the world is set up, they make no sense at all. Like, for the teen team, it might’ve been an interesting subversion to have their hero names have nothing the fuck to do with their real identities in order to throw people off and maintain their anonymity. But all of them (except Robot I guess) literally have their real fuckin name as part of their hero name and ALSO have costumes that barely disguise their faces, which is unnecessary and stupid.
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I feel this was an element in the original comic that doesn't really age well especially with how the MCU seems to be smarter in handling the secret identity fiasco for the most part.
Like I can buy that explanation for characters like Eve since she isn't some big shot hero like Omni-Man but it was really dumb for Omni-Man. If secret identities were also done away with it could've also fixed the dumb Amber subplot with her real concern with Mark being that a superhero would be too much for her to handle like in the comics instead of "YOU LIED TO ME AND YOU DIDN'T COME TO THE SOUP KITCHEN WITH ME TO HELP!" bullshit
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That's what worries me. Are we truly living in a world that's so illiterate, they get surprised by things that happened in books written years ago? The fact that most of Game of Thrones' audience were surprised about the Red Wedding and Oberyn Martell's death showed me that they barely read the books, even though they should have started reading the books after they got hooked by the end of Seasons 1 or 2.
So yeah, there are people who are legit asking whether or not Omni-Man can be redeemed as a kind of deep question about the character, when comic readers know the answer to that already.
For me, I just go back and play the Injustice games or read Watchmen. This whole "Superheroes as assholes" thing has already been old hat when DC and Netherrealm made Injustice: Gods Among Us. Now, it might as well be its own genre. I mean, shit, even Dragon Ball Z had assholes (or former assholes) who served alongside the heroes like Piccolo and Vegeta. Adding another one to the pile won't rock the superhero capeshit landscape.
I thought they were getting repetitive when Injustice: Gods Among Us came out. Now, it's just par for the course to make asshole superheroes. But unless they're not going to follow the comic story, it won't take long for Nolan to, well.........
veer back to pure superhero status. Him and his whole damned race.
That's because the Incredibles was, aside from a fun superhero movie, also a wholesome family drama. People actually gave a shit about the family of superheroes. Now, it's just "What if Superman was evil?" Which we already had multiple stories of.
That's because rebuilding things to be better after you disassemble it takes hard work. It's easier to just break things and laugh off great hero archetypes as a silly thing of the past after you "de-constructed" them.
I just started reading the comics not too long ago. Kirkman himself explains in one of the early issues that people just can't get a good enough look at Omni Man a lot of the time to recognize that it's Nolan Grayson, if they even knew who that was.
Found it. Issue 18:
Eve I have no idea. William didn't know who she was so maybe she's a literally who in the grand scheme of things.
The show in that aspect isn't necessarily messy, but still unbalanced. Some parts fit right in the DCAU and it even looks like a DC animated show for kids, but then it just ramps it up to 11 in the opposite direction. The comic so far feels a little bit lighter in tone and more consistent (so far, I haven't gotten that far to be fair). It even has wholesome moments that some of you guys keep asking for (I even like them too). But I will admit the show does some aspects a lot better. Some things like making Amber a black do no wrong SJW yet a total bitch yet having Mark accept her back after her acting like an absolute cunt to him in the end completely mystifies me.
The Incredibles is still miles ahead and a total masterpiece. Pre-Disney buyout Pixar was unbelievably based unlike now.
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I don't know how that excuse would work for the TV series, especially since Omni-Man made a public eulogy announcement for the Guardians whom he killed:
So his mug is all over the planet after that particular speech.
I'm still surprised Mark took her back. At the very least, he should have ended that relationship then and there after she was a total bitch to him, despite knowing who he was. Shit, he already has a replacement in Eve, so why even bother? Why is it that modern media lets women get away with things that men would get crucified in the nuts for? If you took that relationship and flipped the sexes, no member of the audience would be able to forgive the male muggle for being a total bitch to the super-powered woman.
Disney released the Incredibles after Pixar produced it. Then they bought Pixar two years later. And yes, it's miles ahead of most superhero stuff out today.
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Something that I think is starting to happen is we're getting to the point where outside of the "THINK MARK" meme, the violence, and Amber being a cunt, people are starting to lose interest in the show. The momentum is starting to slow down because it's not new anymore. The twitter page (yeah I know) doesn't do anything but post memes. "Superman but evil" isn't the only part of Invincible, but it's the thing that got most people interested in the first place, to the degree they think that's what the entire show actually is about at this point.
Sure they announced 2 seasons, but no release date for either. It could be years before we even hear any news about a season 2. At the same time the entire story is technically finished, meaning there's a lack of stuff to really discuss unless they really shift major parts of the story around. And if comic does dip in quality like I heard it has I wonder how faithfully it'll be adapted for the show.
Omni Man is going to be gone for a pretty long time. Will people still give a shit about Invincible past this first season?
Sidenote, I really with they had used Ottley's art as an inspiration for the character designs in the show. Corey Walker's stuff isn't bad, but it's kind of bland in comparison, which doesn't go well with the animation which itself is all over the fucking place in terms of quality. Maybe if they cut the celebrity voice actors they'd have more budget for some actually good animation.
Sure they announced 2 seasons, but no release date for either. It could be years before we even hear any news about a season 2. At the same time the entire story is technically finished, meaning there's a lack of stuff to really discuss unless they really shift major parts of the story around. And if comic does dip in quality like I heard it has I wonder how faithfully it'll be adapted for the show.
Omni Man is going to be gone for a pretty long time. Will people still give a shit about Invincible past this first season?
I just think it's a lack of self awareness. It's what happens when you're woke as fuck but not too smart.
Sidenote, I really with they had used Ottley's art as an inspiration for the character designs in the show. Corey Walker's stuff isn't bad, but it's kind of bland in comparison, which doesn't go well with the animation which itself is all over the fucking place in terms of quality. Maybe if they cut the celebrity voice actors they'd have more budget for some actually good animation.