Why do women still get judged so harshly for having casual sex?

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F. Scott Fitzgerald famously called the Roaring Twenties – which happened on the heels of the 1918 flu pandemic – “the most expensive orgy in history.”

Now, as more and more Americans are vaccinated, some are saying all the sexual energy pent up over the past year will be unleashed, with Yale sociologist Nicholas Christakis predicting a summer marked by a surge in “sexual licentiousness.”

Women, however, might face backlash for exploring their post-vaccination sexuality. In a new study, we found that women – but not men – continue to be perceived negatively for having casual sex.

This stereotype persists even as casual sex has become increasingly normalized and gender equality has risen in the U.S. and much of the Western world.

Specifically, both men and women assume that a woman who has casual sex must have low self-esteem.

But that perception isn’t based in reality. So what might be driving this unfounded stereotype?

A belief held across religious and political divides​

Although the idea that women’s sexual behavior is linked to their self-esteem is a common trope in film, television and even some relationship advice sites, we documented just how entrenched this stereotype is across six experiments published in Psychological Science.

In one experiment, we asked Americans to estimate the correlation between people’s sexual behavior and their self-esteem. We described those people as being a man, woman or simply as “a person,” without providing any information about their gender. We then described that man, woman or person as having a lot of casual sex, portrayed them as being a serial monogamist or provided no information about their sexual behavior.

We found that Americans tended to associate monogamy with high self-esteem, especially for women. More striking, they associated casual sex with low self-esteem – but only for women.

This belief was surprisingly widespread, and across our studies we found that both men and women hold it.

We wondered: Was this stereotype the product of sexist beliefs? Could it be due to participants’ political ideology or their religion?

But time and again, we saw that this stereotype transcended a number of markers, including the extent to which someone held sexist beliefs, their political views and their religiosity.

What if a woman says she wants casual sex?​

However, people might believe that women don’t want casual sex in the first place. For example, people might assume that women have causal sex only because they’re trying and failing to attract a long-term relationship. In fact, such beliefs do seem to influence the stereotype about women’s self-esteem.

Specifically, the more that Americans believed that women don’t actually want casual sex, the more these Americans tended to associate women’s casual sex with low self-worth.

This finding inspired another experiment. We wondered what would happen if we told participants that a woman was actually perfectly happy with her casual sexual lifestyle. Might that change their beliefs?

But even this factor didn’t seem to stop the stereotyping. Participants still saw these women as having low self-esteem. And they even perceived a woman described as having monogamous sex – but who was deeply dissatisfied with her monogamous sex life – as having higher self-esteem.

Here’s the kicker: Among our participants – the same ones who showed this stereotyping – we found virtually no association between their self-esteem and their own sexual behavior.

These findings are similar to those of psychologist David Schmitt, who conducted a survey of more than 16,000 participants drawn from all over the world, and also found little association between self-esteem and casual sex.

And in our study, it was actually the men who reported having more casual sex who also tended to have slightly lower self-esteem.

Do our Stone Age brains play a role?​

So why do people hold this negative assumption about women who have casual sex – especially if it doesn’t hold water? The short answer is that we currently do not know, and associations between sex and self-esteem in the real world are complex.

Some people might wonder if the media is to blame. It’s true that women who have casual sex are sometimes portrayed as being somehow deficient. But this doesn’t tell the whole story. Even if popular media perpetuates this stereotype, it still doesn’t explain why people would feel compelled to portray women this way in the first place.

Another possible explanation is that the stereotype extends from reproductive biology, in which men have historically had more to gain from casual sex than women, who – since they risk getting pregnant – often have to bear greater costs, on average, than men.

Yet today, newer technologies – like birth control and safe, legal abortion – allow women to have casual sex without being forced to bear some of those unwanted costs. Perhaps, then, our Stone Age brains have simply not yet caught up.

Whatever the origin of this stereotype, it’s likely to foster prejudice and discrimination today. For example, people perceived to have low self-esteem are less likely to be asked out on dates or elected to political office.

This stereotype might also have led to seemingly well-intentioned – but ultimately misguided – advice directed toward girls and women about their sexual behavior. There is a cottage industry built around telling women what sort of sex not to have. (Searching for books on “friendship advice” on Amazon yields fewer than 40 results, but searching for “dating advice” returned over 2,000.)

In Western society, women are rarely disparaged for breaking glass ceilings to become leaders, professors, CEOs and astronauts.

So why do they continue to be denigrated as they become increasingly open and willing to go to bed with others at their own whim, of their own accord?
 

Why do women still get judged so harshly for having casual sex?​

Why do dogs still get judged so harshly for casually pissing all over the living room carpet?
 
It's instinct, and it will never go away no matter how many women wag their fingers at society.
 
Specifically, both men and women assume that a woman who has casual sex must have low self-esteem.

But that perception isn’t based in reality. So what might be driving this unfounded stereotype?

How is it not based in reality? I've known a number of women who had a lot of casual sex, and something that was true for most of them is that they had unpleasant sex with men they didn't find attractive. Why do that unless you have self-esteem issues?

Some women who have made being whores their brand have even admitted that they didn't get off on it. Catherine Millett started having group sex at 16 but didn't have her first orgasm until 26 when a boyfriend gave her a vibrator. There was another "slutmobile" who worked for Gawker back in the day who basically admitted the same thing. Many of these women are barely even capable of orgasm. They're having a lot of shitty sex for really questionable reasons.

I see these women as pathetic rather than "whores". Have some fucking self-respect.
 
This article severely underestimates how many women would pass over slutty men. Casual sex shows an inability to delay gratification, and a lack of self-control. Two important husband skills. Slutty men may judge slutty women more harshly than they judge themselves, but the chaste judge all sluts equally.
 
Question- is the whole 4chins legend of promiscuous women retaining genetic information from their previous partners true, or just pseudoscience?
 
I dunno, opinions ITT are all over the place and not saying any are right or wrong. A "survey" doesn't hold water to my own life experiences.

I've been with a lot of women. The conclusion I reached boils down to love does not equal sex. Both men and women view sex differently (I know, duh). Very few woman were in the game for sex just for the sake of sex. Most wanted the emotional gratification of being close, feeling wanted and desired, while men (self included) were more than happy with sex just being sex without a lot of emotional attachment.

It's why fuck buddies are a thing. A woman gets her emotional needs satisfied and the man gets his sexual needs satisfied. No commitment involved. Nothing to do with low self esteem on either behalf, just a mutually beneficial relationship. I don't see either party as a "slut." Just not the way it works.

Questions surrounding how many others your partner has had in their life are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things if you're looking for Mr. or Mrs. Right for a long term relationship or marriage. What does come into play is how you relate to your partner. Do you find them attractive, are you friends that can relate to each other openly and honestly about anything, and a big one - do you trust them?

Purely sexual relationships, no matter how good the sex, never last because at least one of the elements just mentioned aren't there.

Meh, I'm old and out of the game anyway. Just celebrated 23 years of marriage with wife #2 (13 years with wife #1). But the years between the two were a lot of fun and quite the education on sex, love and relationships.
 
The vast majority of attractive or high status men and women are ackchually locked down in a long term relationship or marriage by 25. The high quality men and women I know also had pretty low numbers of partners overall as well. Everything past that point are scraps.
 
You know, these women are right. I think we should not only encourage casual sex, but open and public sex, where people can stick their dicks into cigarette receptacles and between the boards of park benches freely instead of sending the police to harass me.
 
Why are these hot take hipster "journalists" so intent on pushing bullshit like this anyway?
To ex-post-facto justify their poor choices in life as not their fault but rather the fault of society , or to make everyone else make the same poor choices through peer pressure and then say "you can't criticize me, or you're a hypocrite sine you did it too!"

It's why the left seeks to normalize a lot of questionable/destructive/deviant behaviors.... so THEY can feel better about their failings since they were obviously "normal all along"
 
When it comes to the product of sex they argue "my body, my choice." When it comes to casual sex the unequal treatment regarding responsibility is called unjust. When the sex happens while drunk they say it is the man's fault.

Life is truly unfair.
It’s always good to remind ourselves that feminism has nothing to do with equality but to absolve women of any responsibility whatsoever. They dindu nuffins, dey jus good grils.

I agree that being a huge whore is bad for both sexes this article pushes absolution of responsibility for women.
 
There's a lot of tangential dancing around the real issue in this thread: the male disgust response.

From a male perspective, promiscuity in a woman would only not be an issue if you didn't want a substantial relationship with that woman (and you could somehow ensure you didn't catch anything from her). If you primarily value a woman as a sexual object, you probably don't care that she's, ahem, "sexually free." Because for your specific purposes and intentions, all you want her to be is that way.

But if that same woman gives off vibes that she expects you to stick around, those positive feelings can turn into revulsion quickly. As in, "Uh, that wasn't the deal. She's fun, but why would I pick her as my long-term partner over any other woman who doesn't sleep around like she does?"

Men normally don't expect women to be virginal after a certain age. But just as women want to be the special one he settles down for, men want to be the special one she loosens her sexual morals for. If you're letting every other guy hit it, your value for a serious relationship is going to be very low. No high value guy looks at a promiscuous woman and thinks, "Yeah, I want her to be the mother of my children. I'll invest all my resources and be shackled to that. That's what I deserve out of life." And the men who do are usually desperate or have a weird fetish.

Decry it as a double standard, but complain to the evolutionary process. Older women used to tell younger women this stuff, but at some point along the way someone decided they didn't want it to be true, so they started to ignore reality and hen-peck men who remind them of that reality. The reality still didn't change.

Of course, everyone is an outlier in many different ways, thankfully. Some men genuinely don't care. But not a whole lot of them. If you're whoring it up and planning to find a high quality one of those later, prepare to do some searching. Or you could just so what whores usually do and lie.
 
Women want to have their cake and eat it, but keep running face-first into cold, hard reality.
"Pretty Woman" was a bullshit movie peddling a bullshit fantasy. Even the high-end escorts and mistresses understand their place in the world.
The original scripted ending* had Gere's character dropping her off on the same place he found her. Even in fantasy, that have your cake and eat it too bullshit didn't fly.

*According to a Cracked article from years ago.
 
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