🐱 ‘I Still Felt Incomplete’: Detransitioned Men, Women Describe How Frighteningly Easy It Was to Get Trans Surgeries, Hormones

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Multiple men and women who have detransitioned described how easy it was for them to get transgender surgeries and hormones in a new CBS segment—and how the surgeries or treatment negatively impacted them.

As lawmakers across the country introduce and pass bills focused on gender transitions, Lesley Stahl interviewed multiple medical experts and former or current transgender people who expressed fear that transgender surgeries and hormone treatments, often irreversible, are too easily attainable.

The CBS host said the program “interviewed more than 30 detransitioners, who say they also had experienced regret, including these four, who hadn’t met before now.”

“I can’t believe that I transitioned and detransitioned, including hormones and surgery, in the course of, like, less than one year,” one young woman said. “It’s completely crazy.”

“We cannot turn a blind eye to the needs of those trans people who have gotten less than adequate care or even poor care,” says Dr. Erica Anderson. She says the trans community as a whole needs more and better healthcare, not bans on treatment. https://t.co/LwCEqtK4Jtpic.twitter.com/jDEKyRbVup
— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) May 23, 2021
“For years now, those opposed to gender ideology masquerading as medicine have predicted that this harmful movement would lead to countless people regretting the ‘transitions’ they had been pushed into,” American Principles Project President Terry Schilling told The Daily Caller News Foundation Monday morning. “Unfortunately, after long being ignored, this concern has become a reality—so much so that even the legacy media feels they can no longer disregard the voices of detransitioners.”

“This growing issue is precisely the reason why states like Arkansas and Tennessee are taking steps to ensure children are not forced down this path at a young age,” he added. “And as the plight of detransitioners becomes more visible, we hope many other states will follow.”

Grace Lidinsky-Smith​

Grace Lidinsky-Smith told Stahl that she experienced gender dysphoria and was seriously depressed in her early 20s and began researching transgender communities. Lidinsky-Smith said she saw many transgender people “being so happy and excited about doing this wonderful, transformative process” to “become their true selves.”

“I was like, have I considered that this could be my situation, too?” she said. “I just had this sense that … if I could inhabit life as, like, a trans man, as a man, then I wouldn’t feel so self-conscious. I was thinking that it would make me feel very free.”

“The trans community is facing an epidemic of violence… at least 44 transgender people [were] killed last year,” says the HRC's Alphonso David, citing the key issues facing trans people: violence, suicide, health care, and legislation limiting trans care. https://t.co/aFUqKHI7t7pic.twitter.com/k5KeiLa7Tv
— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) May 23, 2021
Lidinsky-Smith said she found a gender therapist online who had a few sessions with her. The therapist affirmed Lidinsky-Smith’s desire to transition, but Lidinsky-Smith said the therapist didn’t “really go into what my gender dysphoria might’ve been stemming from.”

Beginning the process was easy, according to the segment—Lidinsky-Smith signed an informed consent form and then got a prescription for testosterone.

“They asked me, ‘So, why do you wanna go on testosterone?’” Lidinsky-Smith recalled. “And I said, ‘Well, being a woman just isn’t working for me anymore.’ And they said, ‘OK.’”

“Just four months after she started testosterone, she says she was approved for a mastectomy, what’s called ‘top surgery,’ that she told us was traumatic,” Stahl said in a voiceover.

Lidinsky-Smith described having a “really disturbing sense that like a part of my body was missing, almost a ghost limb feeling about being like, there’s something that should be there.”

As the field of transgender care grows and clinics pop up to meet demand, are professional guidelines being followed to assure patients are carefully assessed before receiving hormone treatment and surgery? We asked psychologist Dr. Laura Edwards-Leeper: https://t.co/zpbz3XXPlipic.twitter.com/tfUfS728b8
— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) May 23, 2021
“And the feeling really surprised me but it was really hard to deny,” she added.

Lidinsky-Smith stopped using testosterone, went back to the clinic, and complained to the doctor that the process she had gone through didn’t follow World Professional Association for Transgender Health guidelines.

“I can’t believe that I transitioned and detransitioned, including hormones and surgery, in the course of, like, less than one year,” she said. “It’s completely crazy.”

Garrett​

Another young man who detransitioned said he felt he “didn’t get enough pushback on transitioning,” went in for two appointments, and then received a letter approving him for “cross-sex hormones.”

“Two visits?” Stahl asked. “That’s it?”

“Uh-huh,” the young man, who the segment identified as Garrett from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, said.

Garrett “went from taking hormones to getting his testicles removed” in just three months, the segment reported, not following what current guidelines call for “continuous use for a year.”

The young man also later got a breast augmentation, according to CBS.

“But, instead of feeling more himself, he says he felt worse,” Stahl explained.

“I had never really been suicidal before until I had my breast augmentation,” Garrett said. “And about a week afterwards I wanted to, like, actually kill myself. Like, I had a plan and I was gonna do it but I just kept thinking about, like, my family to stop myself. It kind of felt like, how am I ever going to feel normal again, like other guys now?”

Doctors Weigh In​

One doctor who has helped hundreds of young people transition, Dr. Laura Edwards-Leeper, told CBS: “It greatly concerns me where the field has been going.”

“I feel like what is happening is unethical and irresponsible in some places,” Edwards-Leeper added.

“Everyone is very scared to speak up because we’re afraid of not being seen as being affirming or being supportive of these young people or doing something to hurt the trans community,” the doctor said. “But even some of the providers are trans themselves and share these concerns.”

Dr. Erica Anderson, of the University of California San Francisco, who is also transgender, suggested that stories about those who detransition demonstrate the need for more health care for the transgender community rather than a ban on transgender surgeries and procedures.

“I think we cannot turn a blind eye to the needs of those trans people who have gotten less than adequate care or even poor care,” Anderson said. “My heart goes out to them. And their stories are important. And we can’t deny them.”

“There are many trans children who are helped by the kinds of interventions that we're talking about here that would be prohibited by these laws,” says Dr. Erica Anderson about proposed legislation banning treatments to assist youth in their transitions. https://t.co/QKMqu9KNk9pic.twitter.com/2dp2lssTDa
— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) May 23, 2021
“I think the kinds of things we advocate for don’t hurt trans people,” said Lidinsky-Smith. “Like, we want there to be more help from therapists with dysphoria. We want there to be longer-term tracking of health outcomes. Everyone benefits from that.”

Author Abigail Shrier was one of the first to sound the alarm on the ease with which some young people have transitioned. Shrier, the author of “Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters,” which “examined spikes in transgenderism among teenaged girls who formerly displayed feminine traits and tendencies,” praised those who spoke out in the CBS interview.

“It takes enormous courage to speak out as a detransitioner – as @HormoneHangover did in this ’60 Minutes’ episode clip,” Shrier said, referring to Lidinsky-Smith. “She will no doubt face torrents of hate. But she just may save thousands of girls.”

It takes enormous courage to speak out as a detransitioner – as @HormoneHangover did in this "60 Minutes" episode clip. She will no doubt face torrents of hate. But she just may save thousands of girls. https://t.co/XjA8sLO3fV
— Abigail Shrier (@AbigailShrier) May 24, 2021
 
At the risk of powerleveling by admitting I know a bit too much about this shit, when I was younger, there was actual, real, stringent requirements for transitioning. You couldn't even get hormones until you demonstrated you were living happily as the gender you wanted to be - and surgery was an even higher hurdle.

You had take a class on how to live appropriately as the opposite sex at one point in time and the goal was to pass much as possible. It really was intensive. Trans-advocates and their allies rallied to get all those hurdles removed and now we're facing a generation of detransitioners who can't undo the damage they've done.

I don't want to seem overly dramatic, and at the risk of this sounding like "Old man yells at cloud" level, back on PoE we had this featured creature "Jennifer Diane Reitz" or JDR. JDR was a fucking mess from stem to stern, there's absolutely no way without starting an entire forum here to go in to how awful the guy was, but one of his points of pride, he thought was a real jewel in his crown, was that he wrote an entire website on how to subvert doctors back in the 90s and early 00s before they started carving people who can even spell "trans" up for fun and profit. The extensive background screening process, just to get started on hormones, the more-or-less standard question and answer stuff, he wrote all about exactly the things you should say to get by the doctors and get to the sweet, sweet titty skittles and then under the knife. As crazy as it might sound, I can't help but think his information got spread far and wide by the mid 00s, early 2010s and was used to get past conscientious doctors who were actively trying to stop people from doing this as a DADDY LOOK AT ME thing (which is largely what it is now).
 
The problem is that every professional organization defaults to "LISTEN AND BELIEVE". There's simply far too much money in it now, and people with mental problems, not GID, are transitioning. The stringent requirements of old were basically just differential diagnosis, which is eliminating all other conditions. GID was the last variable to eliminate, because it was rare and basically you can't go back from it. So now, not only do you have people with GID not getting appropriate care first (because even if you have GID, transitioning is not for everyone), you have people with major psychological issues and NOT GID going through this process, which is fucking disasterous.

Why do you think troons are in constant states of crisis? Why does it never ever end for them? Because they don't have GID. They have other mental illnesses that are going untreated and being actively made worse with hormonal treatment. Because they need constant affirmation. They need everything to be trans. They're parasitic because they're so insecure with themselves they infest everything because they need everything around them to affirm their existence. They've actually taken over gay and lesbian organizations and have more money than both combined. They invade all spaces, they need constant validation and people are just tired of their shit.

They cry constantly about victimization while being the most protected group in the Western world. They HATE detransitioners because it shines a VERY bright light upon all of their own insecurities and failures.
 
They cry constantly about victimization while being the most protected group in the Western world. They HATE detransitioners because it shines a VERY bright light upon all of their own insecurities and failures.
Fun aside from this article. After Kiera Bell won her case in the UK the NHS appealed, which frankly should mark whoever made the decision to do so down for a special place in hell. The appeal is due next month unless I am remembering wrong.

Now I do not follow this stuff closely but I have not heard much about new research. I may have a catch up in the suitable Farms threads to see if much has been brought up but I am almost optimistic that the appeal may go worse for them than the first loss did. In particular the fact that the EHRC exited Stonewall's diversity scheme recently should be sounding some serious alarm bells.

Seeing an article like this ahead of that makes me more so and I am genuinely hopeful there's going to be a Kids Company-esque scandal in the near future that will result in some more serious oversight so people start getting the help they need rather than a knee jerk diagnosis of "must be transgender, no other possible explanation."
 
>lie to everyone and say you're going to kill yourself if you don't get your neovagina
>get it
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They cry constantly about victimization while being the most protected group in the Western world. They HATE detransitioners because it shines a VERY bright light upon all of their own insecurities and failures.
No fucking shit.
“The people who experience transition regret are subject to an utterly undeserved stigma. We’re very often bullied, and insulted, and silenced whenever we try to share our experiences online, and it’s because people who discuss transition regret are often accused of having our stories and our experiences weaponized to harm our trans brothers and sisters. That’s not what I want,” Watson added.
No, but that's what they THINK you want, and unfortunately, what they think is all that matters. In other words:
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What part of "do no harm" is so hard to fucking understand.

It's bad enough in the plastic surgery field without getting doused in genderfluids, but put a baying tranny mob at the gates of the hippocratic oath and magically all these concerns go out the window and raising them is transphobic.

If you're getting life altering hormones in two appointments, and plans made to remove your breasts in under 4 months, you aren't seeing a therapist, you're seeing a pusher. They're clearly not even trying to "make you better", they're just pushing you into the gender to suicide pipeline.
 
It's really fun to observe the female to male transition at the hormone point. One minute they complain that "You don't just listen to me, you're always trying to fix stuff when I talk to you!" only to flip to "Ugh, is there a point to this story? I don't know who any of these people are".

Hard to feel bad for the de-trans when you see how they treat their family trying to warn them. When dad tells you it's not worth the trouble, that you're ruining your life, and you tell him "fuck off if you don't support me no questions asked I'm sending these chats to your boss and we'll see how much u like working at wendys"..... well, be grateful they're still talking to you.
 
Hopefully, it's people starting to wake up that a lot of the current trans movement is either grooming or teenagers-young adults trying to be popular and/or rebel against mom and dad.

It's legit rough for people who actually have gender disphoryia and whom transition would actually be a healthy treatment. There used to be way harder and more strigent regulations to insure it wasn't just bullshitting your doctor. Nowadays it's literal bullying and threatening to go after their medical license if they don't get pills asap. It reminds me of the pill shopping during the worst of the opioid crisis a few years ago.

It's usually only exacerbating underlying mental health issues and causing lasting damage to people. Many of them don't realize you effectively sterilize yourself and make yourself prone to a bunch of different aliments later in life. (For example, brittle bones and osteoporosis.)
 
Oh no the mentally ill finally figured out that treating dysphoria/dysmorphia/whatever distinction they want isn't to feed the delusion.

Whoever fucking knew, oh right, the entire psychological community pre-gender reassignment surgery.
 
Keep in mind these people more than likely either ignored outright or actively avoided any and all info that could convince them that being trans wouldn't fix everything in their lives.

I pity them but this is just like the emo/goth phase of the 2000s where your friends tell you it's cool so you try to "be cool" to get acceptance

Only difference is if you went through an emo phase you probably just have some cringe-inducing yearbook photos as consequences. Falling for this trendy hip new way to live is lifelong.
 
Keep in mind these people more than likely either ignored outright or actively avoided any and all info that could convince them that being trans wouldn't fix everything in their lives.

I pity them but this is just like the emo/goth phase of the 2000s where your friends tell you it's cool so you try to "be cool" to get acceptance

Only difference is if you went through an emo phase you probably just have some cringe-inducing yearbook photos as consequences. Falling for this trendy hip new way to live is lifelong.
Thats pretty much how I view it as well.

Its a social contaminant, like the emo thing, suicidal idealation, anorexia/bulemia, and any number of similar trends. For most of these trends, adults kept their heads on right, humored the emo thing at best (but wouldn't let their kids to to the extremes), actively discouraged things and got their kids therapy for things such as anorexia, etc.

There are people from said social contaminants who didn't get better, whose mental illnesses wern't treated properly, or who cause permanent damage to their own bodies (ie, anorexia, bulemia, or failed suicide attempts causing this). The difference is, none of this was encouraged, adults tried their best to alieviate this behavior, and the amount of teens who heroed themselves tended to be kept to a minimal.

You don't embrace an anorexic person's delusion, but you do a troons.

Now, there are other social contaminants or subcultures, such as furries, gangster kids, emos, etc. People do tend to grow out of them, and while they all have their drawbacks, somehow, troon culture just seems to combine the worst elements of everything. Its got the permanent body damage anorexia had (but worse, because not only are your bones going to be fucked, but with all the hormones and plastic surgeries, that shit is not going to age well), its got the hypersexualism of the furries, and the sense of narcisissm of the average highschool sjw. It's also something that, should you transition, you can't "Grow out of". It's like having a swastika painted on your forehead, even if you try to detransition, people will know.

At this point, I don't have much hope in stopping the current trend, sans a major scandal, probably involving young kids. I just wish harm could be minimized until then, but currently I despise troons even more than furries, and thats saying something.
 
It's legit rough for people who actually have gender disphoryia and whom transition would actually be a healthy treatment.
I don't think amputation of healthy body parts, on top of taking hormones that give you bone hurt and predispose you to cancers or sepsis (by way of atrophying gonads) could ever be "healthy"-- to speak nothing about the fact that the only thing about these people that corresponds to the "true gender" they supposedly are is the fact that they feel that way.
 
Keep in mind these people more than likely either ignored outright or actively avoided any and all info that could convince them that being trans wouldn't fix everything in their lives.

I pity them but this is just like the emo/goth phase of the 2000s where your friends tell you it's cool so you try to "be cool" to get acceptance

Only difference is if you went through an emo phase you probably just have some cringe-inducing yearbook photos as consequences. Falling for this trendy hip new way to live is lifelong.
You also didn't have politicians pushing for taxpayer funded Hot Topic gift cards because otherwise the emo kids would kill themselves or uniform exemptions in the military for them.
 
As a faggot this is why I fully support LGB Drop the T. All the reports that show more hostile attitudes toward the LGBT community almost always are skewed heavily toward the T.

While I am not a parent, I can totally see why. Even if your kid experiments with the same sex they are still physically the same. Still the same name and genitals. No silly fucking pronouns.

If they find they like the fucking that actually produces life then so be it. While some ladies may be a little hesitant to marry a dude that had a cock up his ass it is not true of lesbian. Still, for the dudes all they say is that they are a little bi. No need to mold that mass of wounded deformed flesh back into what they once had. Just a few phrases, I am a little bi but I found a really hot lady.
 
Thomas Harris predicted these behaviors decades ago. He also predicted they'd evolve into the worst kinds of psychopathic behavior.

Sex change advocates remind me of Hannibal, when Dr. Lecter gives Mason Verger drugs and tells him to cut his face off because it'll make his orgasm better. Verger complies, and while the dogs are eating his face, an accident with his autoerotic asphyxiation rig breaks his neck. He eventually realizes not having a face is an impediment to social interactions, and he can't have an orgasm without artificial stimulation. (Apropos, this occurred in the climax of his storyline.) Our doctors hand out different drugs, and amputate different tissues, but it often results in similar social isolation and sexual privation.

Harris also predicted troons trying to get around gatekeepers in Silence of the Lambs. It's how they identified Buffalo Bill, he was an early transtrender and had been kicked out of multiple sex reassignment programs. He had an underlying mental illness that he denied or couldn't cope with, and thought becoming a woman would make him feel better. This idea was implanted in his head by pornography, a soft core reel that he would watch obsessively. Since no one would help him transition, he decided to do it himself. Many of our own mentally ill are following a similar path, but with access to more agreeable doctors, they don't collect skins from fat girls. I hope.
 
I hope every last one of these sues the Hell out of their therapists, doctors who signed off on it, organizations like Mermaids who pushed it on them, mothers who pushed their sons to wear dresses and every other fucker.

This doesn't stop until there are consequences. And who better to bring those consequences than the victims.
 
I hope every last one of these sues the Hell out of their therapists, doctors who signed off on it, organizations like Mermaids who pushed it on them, mothers who pushed their sons to wear dresses and every other fucker.

This doesn't stop until there are consequences. And who better to bring those consequences than the victims.
Everyone involved in organisations like mermaids should end up in prison not just sued. They are manipulating children into causing permanent damage to themselves, lobbying government to protect their sick little grift and getting a sick little thrill out of their sociopathic grift.
 
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