🐱 What If We Just Stopped Calling the Cops?

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On May 25th a reckoning with systemic racism was reignited. It's still here — and so are we.


JeAnnette Singleton heard gunfire outside her home in Warren, Ohio, one night in August 2020. Two days later, she saw bullet holes in her and her son's cars. She was scared. But she knew she wouldn't call the police.
Singleton, a 60-year-old licensed therapist and social worker, is Black. So is her 29-year-old son. And just a few months earlier, she’d seen yet another example of what could happen to a Black American when the police were called even for the most innocuous of crimes. The footage of George Floyd pleading for his mother and his life while under the knee of former Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin left an indelible mark on her mind. Floyd had allegedly used a fake $20 bill at a local convenience store the day he died.


Singleton wanted someone to investigate the bullet holes. Yet she had to consider the optics. Officers might look at the damage and turn to her son, who just happens to wear his hair in locs. She worried they would assume he was a drug dealer or a gang member. They could hurt him, she thought, or more likely do nothing at all.
In the end, Singleton said, “I didn’t report it, and I hated it.”
Singleton’s personal experiences further shaped her decision to not call the police that day: Her brother, Che Taylor, was killed by Seattle cops in 2016. Ohio police also once filed charges against Singleton’s son simply because a white man accused of stealing was in a car registered to someone of the same last name—even though her son had never been to the town where the alleged crime occurred and looked nothing like the suspect.
“It’s very scary,” Singleton said. “Scary enough to say, ‘I’m not calling the police, because they could do anything, and it could go bad real fast.’”
For decades, many Black Americans have believed that cops’ presence will either make a situation worse—or won’t have any impact. And the solution has sometimes been to not call the police at all, even in circumstances where they felt unsafe.

“Police do not create safety. Policing is largely reactionary. They come onto the scene after the fact.”

But it’s not just communities of color anymore: White people are now occasionally rethinking whether it’s a good idea to rely so heavily on law enforcement, especially if summoning the police could potentially harm someone. And entire cities have considered whether police officers are the best response to certain kinds of offenses.
Floyd’s fatal arrest last May seems to have hardened that perception. Even the teenage corner store clerk expressed regret over having taken the counterfeit $20 bill from Floyd, which later caused another employee to call the police. "If I would have just not taken the bill, this could have been avoided,” the clerk, Christopher Martin,said on the witness stand during Chauvin’s murder trial. An owner of the store, Cup Foods, decided after cops killed Floyd that from then on he and his employees would only call the cops to report violence, according to the New York Times.



That’s the same mindset Leah Knox, a 36-year-old sales operation analyst from Greensboro, North Carolina, took when someone pulling out of a gas station hit her car in October.


The driver appeared to be a Latino teenager, who was also very stressed and scared. Sensing his fear, she didn’t want to put any more pressure on him by calling the cops. So Knox told him that if he could exchange his insurance information with her and admit fault, they both could move on without getting the police involved. He cooperated completely, and his insurance came through and paid for the repairs.
Although some of her family members were shocked that she didn’t call the cops, Knox said she’ll probably do the same if she gets in another accident. She doesn’t want to call the police anymore unless it’s over something “imminently violent, where I wouldn’t know what else to do,” she said.
“I’m a white, mid-30s woman, lower-middle-class,” she said. “Most of my run-ins with police haven’t been great, but this past year has really opened my eyes to what other people go through.”

While the dialogue about when it’s appropriate to call the police and if they really keep people safe isn’t new, it’s a conversation that some white communities seem increasingly willing to join.


Misha Viets van Dyk, the national chapter network organizer for Showing Up for Racial Justice, which organizes white communities for racial and economic justice, said their organization saw a “giant wave” of white people concerned about police accountability this past year.




“As people learn about their own background or the backgrounds of people around them, they see more and more reasons why putting their trust into this institution of policing is one that harms us," Viets van Dyk said.
A Gallup poll conducted after Floyd was murdered last summer found that Americans’ confidence in the police had slid to a record low of 48 percent, the first time in nearly 30 years without a majority.
Being a “Karen”—a white woman who calls the cops on a Black birdwatcher for telling her to leash her dog, a Black driver for temporarily parking in a reserved spot, or a Black neighbor following a permit dispute—has also become more of a concern in the past year.
Still, the gap between Black and white people’s faith in the police is larger now than it’s been historically, according to the same Gallup poll. After Floyd’s murder, only 19 percent of Black adults reported they fostered “a great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in the police, down from 30 percent. For white adults, trust only dropped from 60 percent to 56 percent.


‘Police do not create safety’​



But if not the cops, who are people supposed to call when they’re in need? Places like New York City, Portland, and Anaheim, California, have toyed with at least one solution: Social workers or other professionals could respond to certain reports of people experiencing mental distress or homelessness, rather than the cops. Other cities have also championed community-based violence prevention programs to mediate disputes and support crime survivors.
That doesn’t mean proposals for reform always go over smoothly. Plenty of police officers continue to say that communities are only hurting themselvesby defunding police departments to boost other social services. And some police chiefs have cited the rise in violent crime during the coronavirus pandemic or serious drop in law enforcement staffing as a pressing reason to protect police budgets, even though many officers continue to spend much of their time responding to nonviolent calls and dealing with traffic offenses.


Still, the “defund the police” movement, which broadly calls for shrinking police departments’ budgets so local leaders might instead fully invest in alternatives and preventive solutions, persists, despite not being all that politically popular.
Austin, Texas, for example, slashed its policing budget and poured some of the leftover funds into providing services for homeless people living in permanent supportive housing.
“The things that create safety are also the things that create strong individuals, strong families, strong communities,” said Dr. Amara Enyia, the policy and research coordinator for the Movement for Black Lives. “And those things are about investments in education, in economic developments, in housing, in mitigating public health hazards. Those are the things that create safety.”
“Police do not create safety,” Enyia added. “Policing is largely reactionary. They come onto the scene after the fact. ”
Marie Reimers, a white, 28-year-old legal aid attorney, believes that too. She was at home in Detroit on March 23 when her dog started barking and going berserk. She tried not to overthink it: Maybe she was being paranoid. Maybe it was directed at the cat, she thought.

“I know from experience, from education, from other people’s experience that I have been gifted, that most often when the police come, there are more problems—not less.”

But Reimers slowly realized it wasn’t her imagination. An intruder had broken in. And calling the police for help wasn’t an option. Police scare Reimers more than any home intruder could. Officers severely beat her when she was working as a legal observer at a racial justice protest in the city last summer. Involving the cops goes against her politics, too, she said.
So, as an unknown person wandered around her first floor, Reimers barricaded her bedroom door on the second floor and started to text friends to let them know what was going on. And for reasons that she still can’t explain, she also posted about what was happening on Twitter.


“There is currently someone robbing my house. I am upstairs safe and fine but not sure what to do? I was hoping they would just leave. They haven't,” Reimers tweeted. She added: “If any of you call the cops I will murder you. I do not want cops at my house.”
Instead, Reimers called a friend to pound on her door and scare the intruder off. But someone had called the cops anyway, and officers still arrived at her address. The person who had broken in, however, was able to escape without harm or arrest. Later, Reimers realized they hadn’t taken anything and had just rearranged some furniture.
Reimers now believes the intruder was a local homeless woman who has a mental illness and had come by and dropped off gifts on her porch before.
“When I realized that, I was even more thankful that I didn’t call the police,” she said.


‘I don’t want him dead’​



Years ago, Jennifer Lewinski, 44, was in a relationship that became abusive. She couldn’t call the cops in her town of Asbury Park, New Jersey, to report that violence. Although numerous barriers keep women from reporting domestic abuse, as a Black woman and an activist, Lewinski feared the police would hurt her or her boyfriend. He was also on parole, so an arrest could have ruined his life.
“Is he going to go back to jail? Are they going to beat him up? Are they going to shoot him?” Lewinski said of her thinking at the time. “Even though he’s hurting me, he’s still a person that I love and I don’t want him dead. And that’s something you have to think of when you call the cops on Black people: ‘Is what they’re doing, should it be a death sentence?’”


By the time Lewinski and someone else were forced to call law enforcement in 2015, the conflict between the couple had seriously escalated: In an attempt to protect herself, Lewinski stabbed her boyfriend in the arm after she said he put her in a chokehold. She went to jail for three days and wound up with a felony charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on her record.


If there’d been an alternative to the cops for addressing her domestic abuse—a chance to call someone earlier—Lewinski would’ve taken it. Partly because of that, she’s trying to create a solution for other people in similar situations.
After her arrest, Lewinski co-founded the Asbury Park Transformative Justice Project. The group is hoping to formally establish so-called “community-run safety units,” staffed by volunteers and social workers, so residents have someone they can call for de-escalation when they don’t want to involve the police. And some people in Lewinski’s community are already relying on her and her colleagues for help.
Recently, someone called Lewinski’s group because they thought their neighbor might be in a domestic violence situation and didn’t want to rely on traditional law enforcement. Lewinski and a volunteer therapist went and knocked on the neighbor’s door to see what they could do. Nobody answered, but they were able to leave a note saying they didn’t want to call the police and were able to help.
That’s an option Lewinski wishes she’d had. Her arrest did nothing to solve the actual problem at hand, she said. After she got out of jail, Lewinski went back to her abuser for a time, until she was eventually able to leave. And to her knowledge, he still hasn’t gotten counseling or resources that might help him deal with his anger or abusive tendencies.
“We’re taught that they [police] will help you,” Lewinski said, “but I know from experience, from education, from other people's experience that I have been gifted, that most often when the police come, there are more problems—not less.”
 
lmao :story: you're worried your kid is going to get shot by dah po po so you don't call the cops despite there literally being bullet holes in his car in your driveway?
 
“There is currently someone robbing my house. I am upstairs safe and fine but not sure what to do? I was hoping they would just leave. They haven't,” Reimers tweeted. She added: “If any of you call the cops I will murder you. I do not want cops at my house.”
Too stupid to live.
 
>identify where these people who wont call the cops live
>break in, rob them, steal all their shit
>dont even have to worry about leaving evidence or identifying information because they won't report you anyway

Ahem.
"Crime be goin' up! Why da po-leese not be hepin' our preshus baybehz? Dey be rayciss!"
crime rates won't even be going up, because a crime that is not reported is never counted or tracked.
 
Singleton wanted someone to investigate the bullet holes. Yet she had to consider the optics. Officers might look at the damage and turn to her son, who just happens to wear his hair in locs. She worried they would assume he was a drug dealer or a gang member. They could hurt him, she thought, or more likely do nothing at all.
In the end, Singleton said, “I didn’t report it, and I hated it.”
Didn't seem too concerned about "Muh optics" when you let your son dress and act like a useless gangbanger in his 'locs' and looted Nikes.
Recently, someone called Lewinski’s group because they thought their neighbor might be in a domestic violence situation and didn’t want to rely on traditional law enforcement. Lewinski and a volunteer therapist went and knocked on the neighbor’s door to see what they could do. Nobody answered, but they were able to leave a note saying they didn’t want to call the police and were able to help.
... So their entire "solution" is to be less fucking effective than the Jehovah's Witnesses?
 
Then you get what you deserve. Don't want to use the police's service, then don't use it. Just don't ruin it for those of us who do.
The driver appeared to be a Latino teenager, who was also very stressed and scared. Sensing his fear, she didn’t want to put any more pressure on him by calling the cops. So Knox told him that if he could exchange his insurance information with her and admit fault, they both could move on without getting the police involved. He cooperated completely, and his insurance came through and paid for the repairs.
I got into an accident recently and the police said "nah, just file a report on our website and we'll review it" because they don't bother to investigate accidents anymore. I guess it's good since my car could still drive home and I didn't need to wait for Officer Donut Muncher to show up and look things over. Other guy I'm sure felt the same way. I think there really is something to the idea that the police don't always need to respond to some random shit.

Now, this individual in the article is lucky since certain "Latino" individuals are very likely not to have car insurance and thus fuck you over if you happen to be involved in a collision with them.
 
I love how there's no larger sense of responsibility in these people. You may be fine with getting all of your shit stolen, your car shot up, getting beaten, raped, or murdered, but what about the next person who's going to get victimized by that piece of shit because you chose to do nothing?
 
That’s the same mindset Leah Knox, a 36-year-old sales operation analyst from Greensboro, North Carolina, took when someone pulling out of a gas station hit her car in October.
Calling the police after a minor car accident is a very 'Karen' thing to do, rather than just exchanging insurance details and going on. Is this a regular thing in the US, calling the coppers after every minor scrape? If it doesn't result in one of the vehicles being seriously damaged and causing a significant traffic obstruction, there's no real reason to call them in.
 
Calling the police after a minor car accident is a very 'Karen' thing to do, rather than just exchanging insurance details and going on. Is this a regular thing in the US, calling the coppers after every minor scrape? If it doesn't result in one of the vehicles being seriously damaged and causing a significant traffic obstruction, there's no real reason to call them in.
I've had a couple of fender-benders, but the only time I called the police was when I got rear-ended on the freeway during rush hour. Standing on the side of a busy freeway exchanging insurance info and inspecting damage is a good way to get clipped or run over, so an emergency vehicle on scene with flashing lights is a good idea. Aside from that, there's no reason to call the police for a non-injury traffic collision.
 
They already don't, it's why a lot of cities have ShotSpotter and even then it takes an hour for cops to show up. Personal responsibility is dead, sticking up to someone gets you shot by their gang, and shooting in self-defense is vigilantism.

Calling the police after a minor car accident is a very 'Karen' thing to do, rather than just exchanging insurance details and going on. Is this a regular thing in the US, calling the coppers after every minor scrape? If it doesn't result in one of the vehicles being seriously damaged and causing a significant traffic obstruction, there's no real reason to call them in.
There are many reasons up to and including the status of the other driver(underage/unlicensed, drunk/stoned, nobody there).
 
“Police do not create safety. Policing is largely reactionary. They come onto the scene after the fact.”
Is this supposed to be some profound revelation? I was all for stop, question and frisk(and was even subject to it on more than one occasion) but I doubt that is this person's point.
The driver appeared to be a Latino teenager, who was also very stressed and scared. Sensing his fear, she didn’t want to put any more pressure on him by calling the cops. So Knox told him that if he could exchange his insurance information with her and admit fault, they both could move on without getting the police involved.
Again this is nothing revolutionary. People have been doing things like this for quite some time. If there is no contest in what happened then yeah I guess do not call the cops but let me tell you why you should:

A couple of years ago I was making a left turn. I had the light. A dumb bitch in a SUV starts running the red. We narrowly avoided a major accident but there was no avoiding the collision entirely. My car was damaged. She refused to engage with me at all. I was being very nice and trying to find out if her or any of the children(there were many of them) in the vehicle were injured.

A cop just happened to be coming by and after noting the scene asked me to move to a nearby parking lot.

Long story short...too late...The dumb bitch later tried to claim that I ran the light and the accident was my fault. She would have succeeded in at least making dealing with her insurance more painful if the police had not arrived, noted the scene, and if the person behind me had not waited to talk to the cops.

She also did not want to deal with the cop. Guess the Pokemon anyone?

Reimers now believes the intruder was a local homeless woman who has a mental illness and had come by and dropped off gifts on her porch before.
“When I realized that, I was even more thankful that I didn’t call the police,” she said.


‘I don’t want him dead’​

Should we mark down that name so we will know when the homeless man guts her?

PL again here but having lived in a shitty area of NY for a few years I have had homeless people living on and around my stoop. At first I tried to be the cool guy and not involve the police but eventually the guy started being a little too weird around my then gf and I had to start insistently calling the cops when he would show up until he finally got the hint.

Although numerous barriers keep women from reporting domestic abuse, as a Black woman and an activist, Lewinski feared the police would hurt her or her boyfriend. He was also on parole, so an arrest could have ruined his life.
What barriers? There are dozens of methods of reporting abuse. I like how they just slide in that he was on parole. An arrest could ruin his life? Well maybe he should not beat his girlfriend then...
“Is he going to go back to jail? Are they going to beat him up? Are they going to shoot him?” Lewinski said of her thinking at the time. “Even though he’s hurting me, he’s still a person that I love and I don’t want him dead. And that’s something you have to think of when you call the cops on Black people: ‘Is what they’re doing, should it be a death sentence?’”
Holy shit. He is black so I will just take the beating.

This bitch is deranged.
By the time Lewinski and someone else were forced to call law enforcement in 2015, the conflict between the couple had seriously escalated: In an attempt to protect herself, Lewinski stabbed her boyfriend in the arm after she said he put her in a chokehold. She went to jail for three days and wound up with a felony charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on her record.
Uh no she alleges she was in a choke hold. If it was determined as fact that what she did was self-defense she would not have been charged let alone convicted. Me thinks Vice is doing some selective reporting here.
If there’d been an alternative to the cops for addressing her domestic abuse—a chance to call someone earlier—Lewinski would’ve taken it. Partly because of that, she’s trying to create a solution for other people in similar situations.
There was an alternative to the cops. FUCKING LEAVE. You do not want to call the cops fine leave. If you stay with someone who is abusing you and decide to stab a nigga that is on you not the police no matter how you perceive their treatment of blacks.

This is just everything is the police's fault the article and of course it is because Vice.
 
Good make the boys in blue's job easy, with no dipshits like this calling the cops maybe the police can catch a break for once.
 
Dis Nigga said:
Police do not create safety. Policing is largely reactionary. They come onto the scene after the fact.
Hey wow it's almost like people don't stick around after you tell them they're not welcome.

Okay, but on a less sarcastic note... this is, of course, true. It will always be true. It's true by nature, almost to the point of being a tautology. Law enforcement ENFORCES THE LAW. That means they have no reason to be around unless a crime has occurred, is occurring, or is in imminent danger of occurring. (Aside from standard patrols, etc.) The alternative to this... is pre-crime laws.

Y'all niggas want pre-crime laws? Those racially equitable or whatever the current approved terminology is? No? Then shut the fuck up.
 
“Police do not create safety,” Enyia added. “Policing is largely reactionary. They come onto the scene after the fact. ”
Marie Reimers, a white, 28-year-old legal aid attorney, believes that too. She was at home in Detroit on March 23 when her dog started barking and going berserk. She tried not to overthink it: Maybe she was being paranoid. Maybe it was directed at the cat, she thought.


But Reimers slowly realized it wasn’t her imagination. An intruder had broken in. And calling the police for help wasn’t an option. Police scare Reimers more than any home intruder could. Officers severely beat her when she was working as a legal observer at a racial justice protest in the city last summer. Involving the cops goes against her politics, too, she said.
So, as an unknown person wandered around her first floor, Reimers barricaded her bedroom door on the second floor and started to text friends to let them know what was going on. And for reasons that she still can’t explain, she also posted about what was happening on Twitter.


“There is currently someone robbing my house. I am upstairs safe and fine but not sure what to do? I was hoping they would just leave. They haven't,” Reimers tweeted. She added: “If any of you call the cops I will murder you. I do not want cops at my house.”
Instead, Reimers called a friend to pound on her door and scare the intruder off. But someone had called the cops anyway, and officers still arrived at her address. The person who had broken in, however, was able to escape without harm or arrest. Later, Reimers realized they hadn’t taken anything and had just rearranged some furniture.
Reimers now believes the intruder was a local homeless woman who has a mental illness and had come by and dropped off gifts on her porch before.
“When I realized that, I was even more thankful that I didn’t call the police,” she said.
And then everybody stood up and cheered.
Why yes, she has been a member of the NLG (communist front) since L-school, how did you guess?
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And then everybody stood up and cheered.
Why yes, she has been a member of the NLG (communist front) since L-school, how did you guess?
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Someone should head to this bitch's house and just take everything not nailed down. She should feel glad that her material objects and money are going to someone in a lower economic class than herself. Isn't that what she wants? What's she gonna do anyway, call the cops? Lol
 
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