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Once again ------- a professor Not citing their sources? huh. Archive won't load it so there's only the direct url link
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show me the data. show it to me. at least the replies seem to have some sense.
 
Meiwaku said:
Daily reddit troons
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> I've been stealth at work for years

Lel, my mans looks like one of those freaky cosmetology dummy heads plopped on Tom Brady's torso. Despite the cropping of the image I can see all your manly shoulder chonk there, hon.

I will give some credit to the troons who get their eyebrows shaped, and he seem to have done his makeup at least in the style of a real life insta-thot. It's not enough to drag you from the trenches of the Uncanny Valley tho.
 
Meiwaku said:
Graulations or a minor dehissance isnt uncommon with nightmare holes. It depends upon the method used with the complications that come from it as well as the self care from the troon.

Hard agree on the girl part. Female socialization is a bitch.

I had a study i read that was 25% unhappiness rate with amholes. I feel some of this is "are you agp coomer? Are you depressed? Did you get electro for your pubes because if not you will get hair inside your gape." The bare minimum is needed for SRS. Usually troons that get other feminizing surgeries first do better with SRS just in my first hand knowledge.
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To the average person, a stinkditch or fleshpole is going to be a huge disappointment.

When medical people say "it heals well" it is implied "for a permanently open wound in the middle of scar tissue which surely the patient was informed about".

Kujo Jotaro said:
I wonder what the wives that help their husbands transition think after they inevitably leave them? Do they feel horror at what they participated in? Guilt about encouraging the loved ones delusions to a point where they willing mutilated themselves? It seems like it's a loose loose situation either way.
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In my very limited experience, they don't have the specialist knowledge or insight to actually perceive much.

Most see it as ups and downs of married life, and they do not see they have agency in it, like it is some kind of natural disaster that hit them.

That's on both sides, btw. The troon believes they are constantly under some imperative to complete transition ASAP.

baguette tradition said:
The swede study I was referring to has not been conducted by kiwi farmers, nor was it sampled with "people complaining on the internet". Google it up if you want to learn more accurate troony trauma science.
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The swede study you drew your own conclusions from, does not state what you think.

"...suggests increased mortality from 10 years after sex reassignment and onwards. In accordance, the overall mortality rate was only significantly increased for the group operated before 1989."
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Emphasis mine.

The authors make no comment on whether regret or any particular motivation was a factor in the suicides, or even record whether cross sex hormone treatment continued at the same levels prior to surgery.

In a review of previous studies they include in the introduction, only one death from post surgery complications is noted.

I don't know why you (or the troons for that matter) seem to believe genital surgery should prevent suicides ten years after the fact.

Mortality rates post surgery is a thing. In a decent size hospital, you will see one post surgery death a month. Hell, even suicides post surgery is a thing (PDF). These are known factors independently of troon genital surgery.

The comparison of death rates, to me at least, do not tell me that surgery is a significant trigger for troon suicides.

There is no study afaik that compares troons who had general surgery unrelated to genital surgery vs troons who only had genital surgery. To prove genital surgery does harm, such a study would be the smoking gun.

They might be worthless for directly alleviating symptoms of troonism, but that frankly is outside the scope of a farm post sperg.

Circling back to the original question of "why do health insurers greenlight what appears to be pointless procedures?", one does not need to look further than Jahi McMath, whose insurer (Medicaid, iirc) decided Jahi needed surgery rather than a CPAP machine for snoring.

Jahi was a child at the time of surgery (and subsequent brain death), presumably she would have lived to at least 65 years of age otherwise.

Medicaid did the math(lol) and figured there were 2 options:

1. A CPAP machine costing $3000 a pop every 5 years (regardless of whether Medicaid is capable of actually providing this, this is Jahi's legal entitlement) indefinitely;

2. A $10,000 one off surgery (this could be much cheaper, I am not from clapland and I do not know of Medicaid's bargaining power) .

It is obvious which comes out cheaper assuming Jahi lives to be an adult, and stays on Medicaid for her life.

A private sector insurer might consider the possibility of 3. Deny Jahi coverage and gamble on having to pay legal fees (about $20,000).

Plugging this back to troon specific arguments, a troon indefinitely on GnRH agonists and cross sex hormones has huge risks for every cancer sproutable by the overtaxed endocrine system the longer they are on hormones.

Cancer treatment is expensive and something most health insurers cannot deny coverage for due to optics/the law. Chopping off pre-cancerous genitalia is cheaper than cancer treatment.
 
Underestimated Nutria said:
First -- did you read me correctly? I said that after the ice age women's brains reportedly underwent a much larger decrease than men's brains. Since we're more or less cognitively equal now, I speculated that it's reasonable to assume that women of the time probably had the advantage over men.
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Interesting connection to the theory of goddess worship being the first religion, only to be supplanted by god worship.
 
Protistology said:
Interesting connection to the theory of goddess worship being the first religion, only to be supplanted by god worship.
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Oooga Booga people (early humans) probably and maybe worshipped women because they could 'carry' mini humans. Back then minds would have been broken so women were seen as 'god-like' figures.

Now everything can be explained with science, so nobody is god-like.
 
DumbDude42 said:
socially it's actually pretty close. they won't literally kill you, but they will unperson you, ostracize you, shun you, pretend you don't exist and have never existed.

for most of us here this woke-shaming is something we can laugh at from the outside, but if you're unfortunate enough to actually live inside a woke bubble, it's literally your entire life. it's not just online, your IRL friends and acquaintances will punish you for apostasy as well. might go as far as bitch to your employer about you being a bigot and transphobe, depending on how woke the company is you might get fired over it.
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Point taken - I work in a woke bubble, so I do understand the concept. But I feel like women can get out of these situations by saying cryptic shit like, "abuse is never OK" and quietly exiting stage left. It's not necessarily a clean exit, because the troon ex-partner will screech, but it's a "woke" enough reason to leave with your head held high, and can shield you from some of the backlash. Woke folks LOVE a victim story, legit or not. And these women have been legit abused by their partners.
 
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Hey how long do you think it'll take the transes to realize they're all setting themselves up to be lifelong cashcows of the capitalist medical industry? Even if some or most of the supposedly one-off procedures are covered by insurance, they'll still be paying for lifelong care in hormones, surgery revisions, and all the lovely negative side effects that come with long term puberty blocker/hormone use or botched surgeries. They love to circlejerk about communism and solidarity but at the end of the day they're all self absorbed consoomer trash in a material and idealistic sense.

President Jeb Bush said:
Now everything can be explained with science, so nobody is god-like.
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Gotta love how the troon lobby holds the cognitive dissonance of both thinking too highly of science (ie. thinking the technology is actually there to change ones physical sex) and also disregarding most physical and social sciences as somehow outdated and tRaNsPhObIc.

....gee, its like the entirety of transgender ideology is contradictory and rotten to its core. But I'm sure its totally not going to blow up anyones faces and make actually marginalized groups look bad by association, right? Right?

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Pedal said:
Once again ------- a professor Not citing their sources? huh. Archive won't load it so there's only the direct url link
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show me the data. show it to me. at least the replies seem to have some sense.
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What an evil man. These drugs make you DISABLED because it fucks your bones and teeth up. Also it's a drug that sterilizes children! This crazy sick fuck is calling for mass sterilization and child abuse.
 
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Another brainwashed child on r/AskTransgender...

This one seems especially deep in the hole.
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Post history full of asking Breadtube subreddits to "debunk" videos and articles critical of troons. Reeks of confusion and desperation.

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What kind of hellworld do we live in where a 13-year-old knows about "autogynephilia" and is (probably) concerned they might have it? :suffering:
I want to believe this is just some liar on plebbit pretending to be a child, but I think it's actually legit. (:_(
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Falling Star said:
Sorry for the extra post, but r/AskTransgender is extra looney today.

The "femboy" meme has gone too far. I blame Discord groomers.

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It's posts like this from tweens that get me the most. I hate reddit so, so much. These kids are SO close too, but won't leave their bubble so wont fully consider what the hell they're doing. YES DUDE. BE THE BEST BISEXUAL FEMBOY YOU CAN BE. These subreddits scream at the idea of someone actually accepting themselves. That's the worst outcome to them. Disgusting.
 
Negligible shite:

I was kind of surprised that when the whole J.K. Rowling thing happened, all three of those Harry Potter kids decided to lash out. It just seemed rather slimy to me. I would have expected just a tiny bit of recentment towards them from normal people. Whatever. I detest those snotty wankers.
 
Rotter said:
Negligible shite:

I was kind of surprised that when the whole J.K. Rowling thing happened, all three of those Harry Potter kids decided to lash out. It just seemed rather slimy to me. I would have expected just a tiny bit of recentment towards them from normal people. Whatever. I detest those snotty wankers.
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Do you mean the three Harry Potter actors? I didn't see this as lashing out, just reaffirming and pledging their loyalty to woko haram in order to be spared the wrath of the troonquisition. There's quite a lot of guilt by association in those circles and people like that are fully expected to ex-communicate the blasphemer.
 
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Do you mean the three Harry Potter actors? I didn't see this as lashing out, just reaffirming and pledging their loyalty to woko haram in order to be spared the wrath of the troonquisition. There's quite a lot of guilt by association in those circles and people like that are fully expected to ex-communicate the blasphemer.
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Yes. The three actors. I guess they were afraid. They also have loads of money though. If just one of them would have had the bollocks to speak out. That's all I ask.
 
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What an evil man. These drugs make you DISABLED because it fucks your bones and teeth up. Also it's a drug that sterilizes children! This crazy sick fuck is calling for mass sterilization and child abuse.
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unforch, I do believe I have obtained meself a personal cow. Poss because of the professor status (and you're talking to the dude who dropped out of community college second semester,) so MOTI rates for me will be understood. Went back to check the whole profile though and....:

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mad at cookies

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"let children fuck up their bodies. the end"
thankfully a lot of replies are along the lines of "sure, let's also just get rid of age of consent!!!!!!!????? any other minor status????" just to show how dumb this take is.

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Your last name is PETERSON, though.:story::story:
 

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Underestimated Nutria said:
Evolution can also put different selective pressures on men and women -- we could have wound up way more different than we have. It could have put selective pressure on women to become bigger and smarter and men to become smaller and dumber; it didn't, but it could have. Human males and females are pretty close to the same size -- probably a sign that unlike gorillas with their much greater sexual dimorphism, men aren't in a huge degree of competition with one another to get huge and beat one another up and steal each other's women. We're not markedly different in intellect either -- maybe because there was an advantage in men and women being able to learn each other's work when required but more likely so that neither sex would fall to a disadvantage socially. Yet there are areas (spatial intelligence, an asset in hunting and navigation) where very few women can keep up with men; and women have a small but distinct advantage in verbal intelligence.
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I remember a theory was recently proposed about women and their sexual behavior driving our subsequent evolution into a sapient species, and that is why we are so intelligent compared to our great ape cousins. Women are picky about who they mate with, unlike chimp and gorilla females, who when in ovulation will mate with any available male; the silverback and the alpha chimp try to chase the other males away to get more mating opportunities for themselves, but the females are inherently promiscuous; they don't discriminate.

This approach works when the species is constantly surrounded by an abundance of food that can be found in the rain forests year round, but it's not a workable strategy when food is scarce and the members of the pack need to ration it. Also worth mentioning is that our ape cousins pay a heavy price for their bulk and strength. A silverback gorilla needs 11,000 kcal a day to sustain its bulk, which means he has to spend 5-8 hours everyday eating.
 
tomb raider said:
yet another example of trans "lesbians" obsessing only over their own attractiveness, femininity, and perceived sexual worth.
but let's say a trans woman completely passes (which is incredibly rare), or is walking down the street and their sex is unknown.
would a woman attracted to women possibly see them as cute or attractive for a minute? maybe....? but here's the thing.

a) that's not going to turn into sex or a relationship. ever. it's a fucking stranger on the street. it's over in a minute anyway.
b) it is a deceptive costume beheld for a limited time. congrats on fooling a few people that you have a vagina. which is false.
c) women do not have "checklists" for maleness, it's visually obvious 99% of the time, and painstakingly hidden 1% of the time.

how does that have any kind of implications for trans women actually being female, lesbians, or good partners? it doesn't.
and this is even after a huge stipulation (that some trans women can both pass 100% and be alluring to a female lesbian)
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Add to that the VAST majority of trans women that put the real effort into passing are gay, and want to attract men.
Lesbians are stuck with the autistic AGP ogres who apparently don't have mirrors.
 
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