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Living in the glorious empire of Europia, it's kind of funny how often I bump into trannies on dating platforms, but not only do they pass, they often have actual female haircuts and not just "my flat brown hair is long, am womanly". They also gloss over the fact they're trans as if they might as well have written "I read in my spare time".

The internet being primarily American really does corrupt a lot of people and their world views, and it's blatantly obvious once you start hearing these issues brought to life on the other side of the planet. Though, at this point, I don't know if I'm just tolerating of transgendered people because they're fucking everywhere, or may have some kind of absurd attraction to the self-insight required to come to that conclusion (in a sane way).

Who am I kidding, they're just good at hiding their degeneracy.
I hope you don't mind me commenting too much on this.

First of all, I'm not sure I fully understand what you're trying to convey, so forgive me if I misread things.

If you're upset that trannies aren't advertising that your dinner and a movie ends with girl dick, I'm pretty sure there are more than a few trannies who agree with you. Blaire White comes to mind, as she has made it pretty clear she doesn't towe the "it doesn't matter" line. She's even listed reasons it matters to let someone know what they're signing up for beforehand. I know she has a cow thread here, but that doesn't mean she doesn't make sense at times. So, IMO stealth girl-dick is a no-no.

As a homo, if I met a guy who was the love of my life and he turned out to have a clam betwixt his legs I'd call it a deal breaker, and I'd want to know before hand to avoid that heartbreak altogether. I have needs and wants too. Guys dealing with Trans women face extra frustration in that regard because they're supposed to be "extra-considerate" towards "women" , so they are kind of left in a bizarre reactional limbo, which is not a good mix.

For these reasons, I hold dating platforms that made it a taboo to express "preferences" in particular contempt. Nothing good will come of it.
 
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I'm pretty sure there are more than a few trannies who agree with you.

Yeah, there are some (like the aforementioned Blair White), but there are just as many, if not more, who believe there is nothing with lying to a beau about their "parts" and trans status, and actively encourage other trans people to do so. This was actually part of the reason why Blair made videos on the subject; to discourage other young trans people from engaging in that kind of behavior.
 
Yeah, there are some (like the aforementioned Blair White), but there are just as many, if not more, who believe there is nothing with lying to a beau about their "parts" and trans status, and actively encourage other trans people to do so. This was actually part of the reason why Blair made videos on the subject; to discourage other young trans people from engaging in that kind of behavior.
It's kind of hard to gauge the more/less part of the equation since trannies have usually been a pretty "underground" group until recently. Still I think the core of the matter is something that we probably agree on, and that's the idea that trannies need to be upfront about whether you'll be eating "Surf" or "Turf".
 
I hope you don't mind me commenting too much on this.

First of all, I'm not sure I fully understand what you're trying to convey, so forgive me if I misread things.

If you're upset that trannies aren't advertising that your dinner and a movie ends with girl dick, I'm pretty sure there are more than a few trannies who agree with you. Blaire White comes to mind, as she has made it pretty clear she doesn't towe the "it doesn't matter" line. She's even listed reasons it matters to let someone know what they're signing up for beforehand. I know she has a cow thread here, but that doesn't mean she doesn't make sense at times. So, IMO stealth girl-dick is a no-no.

As a homo, if I met a guy who was the love of my life and he turned out to have a clam betwixt his legs I'd call it a deal breaker, and I'd want to know before hand to avoid that heartbreak altogether. I have needs and wants too. Guys dealing with Trans women face extra frustration in that regard because they're supposed to be "extra-considerate" towards "women" , so they are kind of left in a bizarre reactional limbo, which is not a good mix.

For these reasons, I hold dating platforms that made it a taboo to express "preferences" in particular contempt. Nothing good will come of it.

Gay men are the next target. TERFs are so 2000s.
 
Gay men are the next target. TERFs are so 2000s.

That's going to go swimmingly for the T. It'll either totally kill the community by splitting it up properly, or cross the point of no return and eject everybody still marginally sane back into supporting themselves. Both are good options, the Gay Community and Pride as concepts have failed to serve its own for years after legalization. We don't need it anymore.
 
Gay men are the next target. TERFs are so 2000s.

The problem is twofold;
First, gay men are still men and won't fold as easily as lesbians or women. Troons could usually count on exploiting the female tendency to buckle when confronted by an aggressive man, even one in a dress. They won't have that advantage against most gay men.

Secondly, gay men are motivated not by social cohesion but by COCK. Gay dudes have been so cockhungry that for centuries they would risk torture and execution for man-sex. The second Troons turn from 'mild annoyance' to 'actual obstacle' to the accepted degenercy is when the schism turns into a Holy War.
 
The problem is twofold;
First, gay men are still men and won't fold as easily as lesbians or women. Troons could usually count on exploiting the female tendency to buckle when confronted by an aggressive man, even one in a dress. They won't have that advantage against most gay men.

Secondly, gay men are motivated not by social cohesion but by COCK. Gay dudes have been so cockhungry that for centuries they would risk torture and execution for man-sex. The second Troons turn from 'mild annoyance' to 'actual obstacle' to the accepted degenercy is when the schism turns into a Holy War.

This is more true than anyone not gay might think: cock is the gay man's true and only religion.

Now allow me to share a story about troons and the rest of the community. I really don't like putting labels and judging an entire category of people based on the actions of a few individuals, but troons are making it SO difficult to everyone who gives them a nail of attention.

A while ago I joined what was a gay men's hiv support and prevention group on the internet. Raising awareness and helping out guys looking for a nearby hospital/std testing center, this kind of stuff. Of course being a gay group there were the daily pics of cocks and asses, boys will be boys.

Then one day, the first troon arrived, a ftm. I was immediately worried, knowing well from the farms and personal experience what it meant, but still I was willing to give xir/xer/helicopter the benefit of doubt. Sexual health and all, what damage could be done? And ftms usually pass quite well, so I thought all the mental illnesses wouldn't be there. Boy how wrong I was.

Within two weeks, the troon managed to argue and have intense, visceral online fights with pretty much everyone. One of the nicest guys in the group, a nurse from my region, was attacked for daring to ask if the troon wanted to consider pregnancy at some point. The Italian language has feminine and masculine words, and his mistake was using "incinta" (pregnant) rather than the masculine word "incinto", because obviously ftm troons are men even if they have womb, ovaries and menstruate. Couple of days later, he left the group.

Another few days go on and the troon managed to alienate even more people: one guy dared to decline an invitation to the troon's apartment, obviously because he's a transphobe and not because the troon, in xir own words, actually didn't even live in Italy but abroad; another asked why xir joined an Italian group if xir lived abroad, that's another transphobic attack leaving the troon literally shaking in fear. Both guys left the group right after.

Then the troon starts complaining about how everyone was a transphobe for not sending xir their own dick picks by PMs, because gay men are obviously doing it all the time. The troon now spams the forum with pics of leg muscle turned into a 5cm troon dick, because that's what gay men want to look at. More and more accusations of transphobia because nobody is commenting them.

At this point I quit the group. Few months later, I stumble on a former member on grindr, he informs me the group was disbanded after it was flooded with pictures of gore and what looked like cp. The owner and main moderator just got sick of it and pulled the plug.

Because of one mentally deranged troon, a young gay man might get hiv because he doesn't know about prep, or because he didn't know that a broken condom developing into hiv can be avoided by going to the hospital for a post-exposure treatment. All the help we were providing to our community, gone.

And this is why I am completely fed up with troons. Their narcissism, their pathological need for validation and attention, the lies they're telling themselves and others all the time. The way they can override and destroy everything they touch. And now they're even on fucking grindr calling you names if you dare not to want to touch their disgusting meat tubes.
 
So on a scale of 10-10, how fucked are the LGB going to be when the queer & troon backlash begins?
To the degree that we will see a lot less of the types who are particularly fairy guys, nasal twinks, and pretty much anything that stands out in terms of hairdo, so goodbye Queers, A(ttentionseekingbehaviour) and B(orderline). Althought some of the latter may be smart enough to cut it out before they take a beating. I think my homosexual female buddies would have more plausible deniability? I would reckon it would not immediately go back to "getting dicked straight" horror.

So I do feel bad for fellow rear gunners who cannot reliably "go dark", because of their innate gender-nonconforming mannerisms. And then there is the Types like Dr. Harrop who cannot help themselves, but sperg even when faced when pitchforks.
 
So on a scale of 10-10, how fucked are the LGB going to be when the queer & troon backlash begins?
It won't bother me or affect me in the slightest. I don't associate with the community, I don't go to Pride shit, I'm not a walking stereotype sissy, I don't have a gay voice. Most people just assume I'm straight until they find out I'm just a dude who likes dudes and doesn't make it a focal point of my personality, and I'm happy to keep it that way. Whatever happens to the Tumblr type fags is on them.
 
I've probably said this before and I apologize in advance for the necromancy but something's been on my mind.

Is it weird that even though I'm technically bisexual, I'd honestly feel more comfortable from just identifying as gay?

Like, I've dated both women and men and I'll admit I find both attractive but I honestly just feel a lot more comfortable being in a relationship with a man on an emotional level. Plus I'll admit I lean more towards the gay side of things when it comes to who I find attractive.

I've currently got a boyfriend and we've been dating since the end of last year and it's honestly a lot better being with him than my previous two girlfriends. I'm not sure if that's an indication of something or if it's just because both my exes were batshit insane and generally insufferable.
I feel obliged to be truly honest with my boyfriend/girlfriend in all honestly. I wouldn't want to make them feel uncomfortable and that they were lied to. I thought I was gay for many years until I was 17 and I realized that I liked men and women, but I was more physically attracted to men and more romantically attracted to women. I'd like to get married to a woman, have kids, and share a photography career together in the future.
 
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Is there any merit to dividing sexuality and romantic attraction from each other or is it just a bunch of pretentious woke bullshit?

I'm wondering because technically I'd be considered bisexual (with a lean towards men) but homoromantic.

My boyfriend and I were talking about that the other day and I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts or opinions about it.
 
Is there any merit to dividing sexuality and romantic attraction from each other or is it just a bunch of pretentious woke bullshit?

I'm wondering because technically I'd be considered bisexual (with a lean towards men) but homoromantic.

My boyfriend and I were talking about that the other day and I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts or opinions about it.
I think it has only a benefit when explaining your own personal tastes. Obviously you can be [sexuality] while also primarily liking [type of person], but taking it outside of that and trying to force it as some new category is practically just them trying to force a new meme.

But then again, I also tend to think alphabet-style labels have crossed a line and I mostly refuse to use them. It's easier to just say give a sentence as explanation than use a single term and hope that the assumptions it causes are correct.
 
Is there any merit to dividing sexuality and romantic attraction from each other or is it just a bunch of pretentious woke bullshit?

I'm wondering because technically I'd be considered bisexual (with a lean towards men) but homoromantic.

My boyfriend and I were talking about that the other day and I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts or opinions about it.
I think there is some merit to that idea. Hell, it's something I've been learning about myself fairly recently.

I'm sexually attracted to men, however I can see myself being romantically attracted to women. A girl I work with makes no bones about having a crush on me, and I kinda like her as well, which surprised the hell out of me once I finally stopped with the whole "we're just friends" thing. I'd never want to hop into bed with her (she also knows I like cock) but it's to the point where everyone else we work with thinks we're boyfriend and girlfriend with how we act and treat each other. I'm still romantically attracted to guys as well as sexually attracted to them, but I don't think it's too out of the ordinary to crush on or develop feelings for someone you never thought you could.

No, I don't think it's pretentious woke bullshit (if I'm understanding you correctly) I don't know if I should just keep calling myself gay because I only fuck dudes, bisexual with a strong preference towards men, homosexual but heteroromantic (bleg...) I think it's an interesting topic of conversation at the very least.
 
No, I don't think it's pretentious woke bullshit (if I'm understanding you correctly) I don't know if I should just keep calling myself gay because I only fuck dudes, bisexual with a strong preference towards men, homosexual but heteroromantic (bleg...) I think it's an interesting topic of conversation at the very least.
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How about this?
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I already made a post about something similar on a news thread about the erosion in acceptance of LGBTQ+ people among the younger generations. I still stand by what I said at the time.

My growing distaste for LGBTQ+ as a whole primarily stems from the fact that the barrier for "acceptance" has become so loose, so fluid, and so imprecise to the point where I can't even be bothered to keep up with anything anymore. Fuck it, why bother trying to keep track of what I should be accepting of if it violates basic common sense?

You mean to tell me that I should just be blindly accepting of predators like Jonathan Yaniv by virtue of their trooning? You mean to tell me that I should just be okay with Desmond Napoles and his parents blatantly sexualising him because "drag and sexuality aren't intrinsically linked?" You mean to tell me that I'm a transphobe for thinking that trans women who bitch about not getting sex are no better than incels? You mean to tell me that I need to suck it up when I see children watching grown ass adults flaunt their kinks in the public eye because "kids can handle kink at Pride?" Get the fuck out of here with ALL of that degenerate bullshit.

If acceptance of LGBTQ+ means that this level of bullshit is going to become widespread and actually acceptable on a societal level, then I can't wait for the resurrection of the goddamn caliphate (/sneed).

EDIT: Here's also a wise word from Imam Khameini. Muzzies reeee but if so many countries have 'ass-backward' views on gay rights, then MAYBE it's for good reason...View attachment 820532
 
I think there is some merit to that idea. Hell, it's something I've been learning about myself fairly recently.

I'm sexually attracted to men, however I can see myself being romantically attracted to women. A girl I work with makes no bones about having a crush on me, and I kinda like her as well, which surprised the hell out of me once I finally stopped with the whole "we're just friends" thing. I'd never want to hop into bed with her (she also knows I like cock) but it's to the point where everyone else we work with thinks we're boyfriend and girlfriend with how we act and treat each other. I'm still romantically attracted to guys as well as sexually attracted to them, but I don't think it's too out of the ordinary to crush on or develop feelings for someone you never thought you could.

No, I don't think it's pretentious woke bullshit (if I'm understanding you correctly) I don't know if I should just keep calling myself gay because I only fuck dudes, bisexual with a strong preference towards men, homosexual but heteroromantic (bleg...) I think it's an interesting topic of conversation at the very least.
How far can romance progress without anything sexual being involved? Could the same type of 'supposed to be lifelong' bond be achieved without sexual intimacy? Is that the appeal of it? I'm not trying to undermine what you have, I'm just interested in all the new dynamics there are these days with dating/sex/relationships n all that.
 
How far can romance progress without anything sexual being involved? Could the same type of 'supposed to be lifelong' bond be achieved without sexual intimacy? Is that the appeal of it? I'm not trying to undermine what you have, I'm just interested in all the new dynamics there are these days with dating/sex/relationships n all that.
I dunno. Ask some lesbians how they do it after the bed death seeps in.
 
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