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What's wrong with me that I never gave a fuck about pyooberteeeee. Wherever I go, there's individual accounts by people who've had a bad time and also well-meaning, GC and/or pro-sanity people stating, "~~Everyone~~'s puberty is stressful, <this doesn't mean you should troon out>". What's wrong with everyone else. I don't remember if mine was early or late or on time. Menstruation was fun the first, like, half a dozen times or so (whoa science!) A tampon brand's ambassadors gave a lecture at the school and I aced their quiz on female anatomy and grabbed several boxes of free tampons. The only uncomfortable episode I remember, there was a girl complained to me that she couldn't wear a bra for some bullshit reason, and I sighed along but was grossed out. Like, keep that shit to yourself, I never paid attention to your bra or lack thereof and I'm not going to.
Mazel Tov you have a healthy relationship with your body!

Thats the goal!

Also, be fair, this is the Farms, you’re gonna select for weirdos here.
 
What's wrong with me that I never gave a fuck about pyooberteeeee. Wherever I go, there's individual accounts by people who've had a bad time and also well-meaning, GC and/or pro-sanity people stating, "~~Everyone~~'s puberty is stressful, <this doesn't mean you should troon out>". What's wrong with everyone else. I don't remember if mine was early or late or on time. Menstruation was fun the first, like, half a dozen times or so (whoa science!) A tampon brand's ambassadors gave a lecture at the school and I aced their quiz on female anatomy and grabbed several boxes of free tampons. The only uncomfortable episode I remember, there was a girl complained to me that she couldn't wear a bra for some bullshit reason, and I sighed along but was grossed out. Like, keep that shit to yourself, I never paid attention to your bra or lack thereof and I'm not going to.
Guy here. Honestly, puberty was mostly normal. The only really humiliating part I remember was that my voice didn’t get that much deeper. That being said, I can see a super traumatizing puberty (whether through genetics and hormones or through rape) being a cause for gender dysphoria. For the ones that aren’t sex pests, I mean.
 
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I actually saw someone say this a while back and I had a think about it. Drag =\= Blackface. Reasons being:

No one since Shakespeare ever thought to themselves “I need to cast a woman, but women suck, so I’m gonna cast a man dressed like a woman”. In fact trans women have gotten female roles, but not drag queens

also, unlike blackface performers, drag queens have traditionally been pretty pro-women. Like, I’ve seen misogyny from trans women online, but I’ve rarely seen it, if at all, from drag queens. So I can’t really compare them to old blackface performers who were the direct opposite of “yay black people”

I’ll take my puzzle piece now.
 
Guy here. Honestly, puberty was mostly normal. The only really humiliating part I remember was that my voice didn’t get that much deeper. That being said, I can see a super traumatizing puberty (whether through genetics and hormones or through rape) being a cause for gender dysphoria. For the ones that aren’t sex pests, I mean.
Today the line is quite blurred between genuine dysphoria and pure autogynephilia.
 
Today the line is quite blurred between genuine dysphoria and pure autogynephilia.
I do t even think it has to be a fetish. To anorexics have a food fetish? I don’t think so, but they have a really healthy fixation on it. One of my critiques of psychology is that they get way to complicated when it comes to sex/sexuality/whatever. I think it’s all less complicated than people think.
I think what some feel as dysphoria is a not-uncommon part of growing up that some people blow way out of proportion. If that does happen, then of course they are gonna be obsessed with their genitalia. Anorexics are obsessed with food, but their not fetishists, they’re obsessed because they are dealing with something in a really bad way.

(mind you, I do believe that there are a small number of legit trans folks out there and always will be, I just don’t think that many we see online are legit)
 
I do t even think it has to be a fetish. To anorexics have a food fetish? I don’t think so, but they have a really healthy fixation on it. One of my critiques of psychology is that they get way to complicated when it comes to sex/sexuality/whatever. I think it’s all less complicated than people think.
I think what some feel as dysphoria is a not-uncommon part of growing up that some people blow way out of proportion. If that does happen, then of course they are gonna be obsessed with their genitalia. Anorexics are obsessed with food, but their not fetishists, they’re obsessed because they are dealing with something in a really bad way.

(mind you, I do believe that there are a small number of legit trans folks out there and always will be, I just don’t think that many we see online are legit)
It doesn't have to be, but it is. That's why most transwomen are actually straight and call themselves "transbians". Or the fujoshi transmen who want to live out their yaoi manga fantasy.

You cannot compare them to anorexics in this case, because the fetishists don't actually suffer from dysphoria, they suffer from having their delusions broken and frame it under the guise of having dysphoria.

Remember, this is 2020 where over 60% of those using the "trans" label are fetishists.
 
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Lol, this idiot actually thinks this will somehow be possible any day now. How ever will the terfs cope?!

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I love that ever since they took away senpai bigpapi's subreddit, he's been going on the troon subs to speak the truth. Godspeed, bigpapi. :semperfidelis:
 
Recent habbenings regarding transwomen in women’s sports!

As you know, this October, World Rugby elected to ban trans women from elite women’s game due to injury risks. I believe this decision and the woke media outrage following it has been touched upon in this very thread already, so I won't get into it because I don't give two shits about rugby.
However, it’s important to mention, because this decision has snowballed into Tulsi Gabbard pushing for a bill that will ban all transwomen from women’s sports.

The reactions are predictable:
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https://twitter.com/trans_icon_mika/status/1337410769630138369 ( archive )

No such thing as male and female.
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https://twitter.com/JPEGMacDonald/status/1285153980813914112 ( archive )

Y’all misogynists for acknowledge the inherent biological difference between males and females.
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https://twitter.com/CathyReisenwitz/status/1337565781006028800 ( archive )

No comment.
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https://twitter.com/Azure_Husky/status/1337559773894516737 ( archive )

Sorry, simply being fat doesn’t give you an advantage in most sports.
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https://twitter.com/Dessany2/status/1337530579261083648 ( archive )

Trans women = black people #5678
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https://twitter.com/LchanPlays/status/1337697028219039744 ( archive )

Aaaand Godwin's lawmakes this a wrap.
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https://twitter.com/ACorollaries/status/1337577340545757185 ( archive )

So, what does science say?

Let’s have a look, shall we? In fact, let me direct you to the Twitter thread on one of these papers, made by one of the authors ( archive ).
Even the quote re-tweets are suspiciously empty of people calling her a TERF. I’m legitimately amazed at the lack of abuse this woman has received from the wokescolds.

Transgender Women in the Female Category of Sport: Perspectives on Testosterone Suppression and Performance Advantage by Hilton & Lundberg, 2020
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3
  1. Even young boys outperform young girls; thus the performance gap is not solely down to pubertal testosterone.
  2. The performance gap between males and females becomes significant at puberty and often amounts to 10–50% depending on sport. The effect is most notable in terms of muscle mass and strength.
  3. Suppressing total serum testosterone levels to below 10 nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to and during competition will only minimally reduce the muscular advantage enjoyed by transgender women.
Effect of gender affirming hormones on athletic performance in transwomen and transmen: implications for sporting organisations and legislators by Roberts, Smalley & Ahrendt, 2020
  1. In 1.5 mile run performance, trans women remain significantly faster than cis women, even after three years of testosterone reduction.
  2. It starts 21% faster, and then TW do slow down, but remain 12% faster than CW in the third year. Testosterone suppression/reduction does not remove male advantage.
http://boysvswomen.com also logs the results from pitting the results of male high school athletes against female olympians.

But let's not go kidding ourselves.
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Lol, this idiot actually thinks this will somehow be possible any day now. How ever will the terfs cope?!

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I love that ever since they took away senpai bigpapi's subreddit, he's been going on the troon subs to speak the truth. Godspeed, bigpapi. :semperfidelis:
Not to PL but
1: we already know how to select for male/female embryos. Centrifugation of sperm, IVF , etc. it’s not often used in the west, usually it’s used by couples who really want biological kids but have some really funky X-linked genetics, so this allows them to have healthy female babies (who may be carriers) instead of sick male babies.

My guess is that they are talking about CRISPR which has has an interesting future, but is unlikely to make a huge difference in this case. You’re talking about fucking up a Y chromosome to make a person a woman, but bu the time you would be able to do this (assuming the technology is available) you’re still in no better place than hormones and puberty blockers. XY women have a syndrome and messed up reproductive organs. https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/

I don’t even know how you clip in a whole damn Y into women. Then you’re getting XXY which is it’s own fucking syndrome as well https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/klinefelter-syndrome/

Like, you’re still just turning a healthy person into a person with a medical syndrome that usually requires medical intervention to allow the person to live a normal life. I doubt folks who are XY women or XXY men would with their syndromes on anyone. And, interestingly, these folks tend to conform to the gender that their organs suggest. XY females tend to consider themselves women (which they are) and XXY men tend to view themselves as men (which they are)

things get weird around truely intersex/hermaphroditic people, but that’s a whole other can of worms.
 
This study I hadn't seen before, it is supposed to show something that brain function and puberty blockers but reading the abstract, you can't help but laugh. A follow up study is definitely in order, subjects ought to be the researchers though since they evidently need their greater brain function checked.
What about it? What did you object to? Reading through it tomorrow, my concentration is spent for tonight. Also for anyone interested, the paper in question.
 

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My guess is that they are talking about CRISPR which has has an interesting future, but is unlikely to make a huge difference in this case. You’re talking about fucking up a Y chromosome to make a person a woman, but bu the time you would be able to do this (assuming the technology is available) you’re still in no better place than hormones and puberty blockers. XY women have a syndrome and messed up reproductive organs.
I'm aware of all that, but I don't think that's what he's talking about. Babies will be "self-selecting" their sex? Lol no. And we're not going to be re-writing the entire genome in vivo so that adult men can have their Y chromosome replaced. This person isn't speculating on realistic scientific advancements, he's just dreaming of ridiculous hypotheticals that he imagines will "trigger the terfs."
 

It’s almost like men who play or have played sports care about things like fairness and sportsmanship and maybe even honor, a bit.

And all these genetic modification fantasies they have are just where the escalation of the fetish has to go when it’s run out of porn and material reality isn’t working out for them.
 
I think what some feel as dysphoria is a not-uncommon part of growing up that some people blow way out of proportion. If that does happen, then of course they are gonna be obsessed with their genitalia. Anorexics are obsessed with food, but their not fetishists, they’re obsessed because they are dealing with something in a really bad way.
Some of it is peer pressure. The comparisons to troon Twitter and a cult are spot on. Some of it is maladaptive coping with an unpleasant puberty, especially for kids who realize they might be gay. For others, it's a way to deal with childhood sexual abuse; the kind associates their breasts and/or junk with trauma.

Of course, a big one is the way "dysphoria" has become so broad as to encompass any anxiety or discomfort with your gendered appearance. By that standard, any teenager with an awkward puberty would have dysphoria. The way that "dysphoria" has become a magic word that shorts circuits all of psychiatry doesn't help either.
 
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Trans people must be painfully aware that most of us don’t see them as the sex they identify as.
If a someone who looked like a woman said to me, “by the way, I used to be a man though” my reaction would be; “I wish you the best of luck in your future dating endeavours”.

Most trans people must have come across an interaction like that on the dating scene.

People want to appear nice, so they say platitudes like; “trans women are women/trans men are men.” Everyone claps, and no one fucking believes it. All the tranners are then left rubbing themselves, thinking that we're all blind.
 
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Trans people must be painfully aware that most of us don’t see them as the sex they identify as.
If a someone who looked like a woman said to me, “by the way, I used to be a man though” my reaction would be; “I wish you the best of luck in your future dating endeavours”.

Most trans people must have come across an interaction like that on the dating scene.

People want to appear nice, so they say platitudes like; “trans women are women/trans men are men.” Everyone claps, and no one fucking believes it. All the tranners are then left rubbing themselves, thinking that we're all blind.
Lies are easy to believe when your self-worth is tied to believing them.
 
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Trans people must be painfully aware that most of us don’t see them as the sex they identify as.
If a someone who looked like a woman said to me, “by the way, I used to be a man though” my reaction would be; “I wish you the best of luck in your future dating endeavours”.

Most trans people must have come across an interaction like that on the dating scene.

People want to appear nice, so they say platitudes like; “trans women are women/trans men are men.” Everyone claps, and no one fucking believes it. All the tranners are then left rubbing themselves, thinking that we're all blind.
I mean, even with best intentions, assuming you believe Trans X are X, even then the vast majority are gonna be a real ugly X.
Nothing against ugly folks of course, but most cis ugly folks know it and don’t go around demanding shit and acting like children when they aren’t treated special. Unfortunately what makes a handsome man makes an ugly woman and visa versa. So a whole live of being desired is followed by a life of being ignored at best. Must be rough.
 
Short rant:

Trans people must be painfully aware that most of us don’t see them as the sex they identify as.
If a someone who looked like a woman said to me, “by the way, I used to be a man though” my reaction would be; “I wish you the best of luck in your future dating endeavours”.

Most trans people must have come across an interaction like that on the dating scene.

People want to appear nice, so they say platitudes like; “trans women are women/trans men are men.” Everyone claps, and no one fucking believes it. All the tranners are then left rubbing themselves, thinking that we're all blind.
I don't really think they care if we believe it deep down or not as looking back on the thread it seems that troons care more about the control they have
 
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