Super Smash Bros. Community

[Neurotic Loser]

If Nintendo allows the use of roms and emulations not owned by them for a competition that makes PROFIT off the game being played, it could be used in court to allow other third parties to make their own roms and emulations for profit. That is why they shut that shit down. Nintendo is retarded when it comes to DMCAs (see recent controversy over the DMCAs of Hyrule Warriors) but, they have to protect their IPs or risk losing them.

 

[HiddenFist]

Gone for a while and the thread turns into an argument about the company's shitty practices and their autistic manchildren.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Gone for a while and the thread turns into an argument about the company's shitty practices and their autistic manchildren.

When people say that this thread needs a "Plagued" tag they aren't kidding.

 

[Buffalo Chicken Sandwich]

While a lot of Nintendo's decisions may be pure bullshit

I was going to go point by point to respond, but I'll just agree with this part.
I agree smash is not the only target nintendo has had. I never said they were, I even tried to say that smash being targeted isn't mutually exclusive to other nintendo issues. Smash is certainly one of the larger thorns in their side
The main takeaway I'm trying to convey is that I hope nintendo stays out of competitive smash and lets the community do it's thing.
You guys can go back to patting nintendo on the back for flexing copyright law.

 

[José Mourinho]

The main takeaway I'm trying to convey is that I hope nintendo stays out of competitive smash and lets the community do it's thing.

I'll ask you two questions:

1. If Nintendo right now decides to make a Melee port for the Switch, do you think it will be competitive viable?

2. What do you think Nintendo should do to the Melee community instead?

 

[Buffalo Chicken Sandwich]

I'll ask you two questions:

1. If Nintendo right now decides to make a Melee port for the Switch, do you think it will be competitive viable?

This is actually funny, but no. I think that Nintendo would most likely use the "most recent" version of melee which would be the PAL release and that has a host of issues ranging from gameplay changes to possible framerate issues. And Nintendo has begrudgingly accepting things like gamecube controller adapters and new batches of controllers, but I feel like they would drag their feet trying to make an honest effort of a melee reboot.

2. What do you think Nintendo should do to the Melee community instead?

In a perfect world they would have a realistic relationship with their fans like other fighting game communities do, They could re-release melee on switch with full rollback online, match making the whole 9. Hiring members of dolphin/slippi/smash to add input. Or they could do something else like having a reasonable licensing fee for running a large tournament. They could help tournaments with adding their name to it and just generally seeing smash as a positive and not a looming negative.

Or they could just act like competitive smash doesn't exist, and things would continue pretty much just how they have, with fewer headaches.

 

[0 0]

This is actually funny, but no. I think that Nintendo would most likely use the "most recent" version of melee which would be the PAL release and that has a host of issues ranging from gameplay changes to possible framerate issues. And Nintendo has begrudgingly accepting things like gamecube controller adapters and new batches of controllers, but I feel like they would drag their feet trying to make an honest effort of a melee reboot.

I'm not particularly invested in this argument, but PAL's framerate issues is just due to PAL televisions, and you can force it to run at the standard 60hz anyway. Suggesting a company would port over outdated and region-specific hardware issues is a bit of a stretch. But most notably, the gameplay changes aren't issues, they're either rebalances such as buffing the criminally horrible Kirby or fixing obvious bugs which would've been patched out in a heartbeat on a modern system, such as the angles for spikes not being able to be meteor canceled or characters having throws which just don't work against specific weighs.

There's a perception that Melee is broken in an incredibly specific way for it to be considered competitive-viable, which is a sentiment most users have brought up in this very thread. Claiming that these minuscule corrections would ruin its chances at being viable for competition only exacerbates this perception.

 

[Ozma (ZeTrannyJanny)]

What I'm trying to say is that the average consumer has no real reason to play Melee over Ultimate unless they want to see the roots of the franchise. Anything that Melee offers Ultimate does and then some.

Did you forget about the same faggots that bought the snes and nes classics despite the fact it was a shitty emulation device with old ass games?

 

[Buffalo Chicken Sandwich]

Suggesting a company would port over outdated and region-specific hardware issues is a bit of a stretch.

I am not "suggesting" that they would do that. They just do that.

Earlier this very year, they released Super Mario 3d All-Stars. The version of SM64 they used is the Shindou version. This version just happens to be the "most recent" version of the game. But it also has patched out quite a few bit glitches used by the speedrunning community, namely backwards long jumping. This one choice that nintendo made guaranteed their re-release of SM64 not viable for speedrunning.

But most notably, the gameplay changes aren't issues, they're either rebalances such as buffing the criminally horrible Kirby or fixing obvious bugs which would've been patched out in a heartbeat on a modern system, such as the angles for spikes not being able to be meteor canceled or characters having throws which just don't work against specific weighs.

But the community doesn't play on this version. And the buffs they did are minuscule to say the least, and the nerfs of removing the spikes from falco and marth are possibly the most radical changes. Would completely change the whole meta for any non-european player. And as smash is one of the few "american e-sports" where the strongest players have always been here, that would be significant.

You can think it's "a bit of a stretch" but you're selling their shitiness short.

You Doug Bowser boys gotta step it up, maybe add a citation or two in your next post telling me how wrong I am. When Doug Bowser sends his people, he's not sending his best.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Did you forget about the same faggots that bought the snes and nes classics despite the fact it was a shitty emulation device with old ass games?

The snes and nes console are a classic with a wide assortment of enjoyable games. Of course people were going to buy those despite them already being available online.

The problem with Melee, at least in my opinion, is why would anyone want to play that over say Brawl or Ultimate?

 

[Ozma (ZeTrannyJanny)]

Snes and nes consoles are a classic with a wide assortment of enjoyable games. Of course people were going to buy those despite them already being available online.

The problem with Melee, at least in my opinion, is why would anyone want to play that over say Brawl or Ultimate?

Simple, it's still a smash game, and nostalgia. When people get nostalgic over smash they will wither mention brawl or melee. Ultimate right now is still full price after 2 years and that doesn't sit well with people. I won't care for a remaster at all, just at least an option it play gc games digitally. Even then with saying "Why would anyone want to play that over say Brawl or Ultimate", I can say the same for Call of Duty games or fuck mario itself. Also brawl as fun as it is is still very slow

 

[Buffalo Chicken Sandwich]

The problem with Melee, at least in my opinion, is why would anyone want to play that over say Brawl or Ultimate?

This has been explained to you multiple times already in this thread. Fundamental gameplay mechanics are radically changed from melee on, and some people highly prefer how melee works.
Your dedication to being this retarded is actually becoming impressive.

 

[Overcast]

I miss when Smash was just an offline game you played with other kids at home or wherever an n64 or GameCube was hooked up.

Things were so much simpler back then.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Simple, it's still a smash game, and nostalgia. When people get nostalgic over smash they will wither mention brawl or melee. Ultimate right now is still full price after 2 years and that doesn't sit well with people. I won't care for a remaster at all, just at least an option it play gc games digitally. Even then with saying "Why would anyone want to play that over say Brawl or Ultimate", I can say the same for Call of Duty games or fuck mario itself.

Bit of a false equivalence there. Yeah, people still play CoD, but you don't see many of it's players playing the older entries past the recent few seeing as they mostly play CoD for the online.

For Mario's case, yeah Nostalgia plays a factor, but Nintendo also changes it up every entry so not every game plays exactly the same.

All Melee has too it, aside from the ingame features, is that it's so broken that people found all these crazy exploits to perform with it.

Also brawl as fun as it is is still very slow

Oh yeah. Guess there's also that.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Like I can see why what Nintendo did is unfair, and not trying to white knight them but did the people who plan this tournament really think Nintendo which is infamous for sending cease and desist letters for anything that involves an emulator or form of piracy would not do anything with whatever this tournament was. It was like the time they sent a Cease and Desist Letter to someone who made a Pokemon fangame that mass-advertised it everywhere on the net.

 

[José Mourinho]

It was like the time they sent a Cease and Desist Letter to someone who made a Pokemon fangame that mass-advertised it everywhere on the net.

A ROM hack actually.

 

[Pipi420]

I'm not particularly invested in this argument, but PAL's framerate issues is just due to PAL televisions, and you can force it to run at the standard 60hz anyway. Suggesting a company would port over outdated and region-specific hardware issues is a bit of a stretch. But most notably, the gameplay changes aren't issues, they're either rebalances such as buffing the criminally horrible Kirby or fixing obvious bugs which would've been patched out in a heartbeat on a modern system, such as the angles for spikes not being able to be meteor canceled or characters having throws which just don't work against specific weighs.

There's a perception that Melee is broken in an incredibly specific way for it to be considered competitive-viable, which is a sentiment most users have brought up in this very thread. Claiming that these minuscule corrections would ruin its chances at being viable for competition only exacerbates this perception.

I think they big thing that would steer people away from a PAL HD version is Fox's recovery, upsmash, and the Falco/Marth dair nerfs. I think even in PAL regions the NTSC version is standard for tournaments. Though the days where people would fly to PAL region only for the game to be slightly different were pretty fucking funny. I would agree the PAL version is better but turning Falco and Marths dairs into meteor smashes is kind of lame.

 

[Mr. Awesome Man]

I just want to say, all the fucking losers who keep spamming Nintendo's Twitter timeline with #freemelee are kinda pissing me off. It's like they genuinely believe that spamming the same hashtag on every tweet Nintendo makes is helping get the word out to the higher ups, when all it's really doing is making the Smash community look even more pathetic then they've already made themselves out to be (as if that's even possible at this point).

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I just want to say, all the fucking losers who keep spamming Nintendo's Twitter timeline with #freemelee are kinda pissing me off. It's like they genuinely believe that spamming the same hashtag on every tweet Nintendo makes is helping get the word out to the higher ups, when all it's really doing is making the Smash community look even more pathetic then they've already made themselves out to be (as if that's even possible at this point).

Like I said before, "#FreeMelee" will be just as, if not less, effective as "#FreeFortnite". The only thing this drama is doing is making the Smash community (mostly on the melee side) look like a bunch of children throwing a tantrum.

 

[Buffalo Chicken Sandwich]

Like I said before, "#FreeMelee" will be just as, if not less, effective as "#FreeFortnite". The only thing this drama is doing is making the Smash community (mostly on the melee side) look like a bunch of children throwing a tantrum.

This "tantrum" got Nintendo to back off from a similar situation in 2013, and the scene didn't suffer because for it, it grew.
The FreeFortnite example couldn't be more different as it was the company themselves trying to go around the google/apple app stores. Just because some idiots supported something that sounds similar doesn't mean they are.
All Nintendo has to do is go a reasonable alternative for melee. Because all the do now is say no.

And once more, because people in this thread read really slow, but check this out
Of course Nintendo has the right to C&D copyrighted IP
They have no obligation to help smash(or any game) for any reason
It's their company and they can run it however they want.

But that doesn't make them immune to criticism, suggestion, correction, critique, or just general complaints. Which is what you Bowser Boys seem so hung up on. Yes of course they can legally C&D stuff and DMCA shit down, normally those types of people who campion that don't end up on the farms tho.

Edit; heres something interesting that just happened. The website https://smash.gg/ was made entirely by and for fans of smash bros to allow tourney brackets to be more readily available. It has bee a hit for years and is the standard signin from small locals to big national events.
It has worked so well that Microsoft just purchased it so that they can use if for Halo tournaments. This is a small example of another company "getting it" and how Nintendo can just leave perfectly good work the community has done has a hinderance.