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[Omsko1029]

I'm not sure where to place Daddy Blanchard, but he's thirsting for attention:

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https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1328155311937622021

https://archive.md/0rB9I

He's going to be triggering the 41% quicker than KiwiFarms if he keeps up his trolling

Still the worst part of this is that they didn't even bother to correct "Dinally" in the title of their post. Who does that?

 

[Dave.]

I do think you're right, though on that note, would you feel okay with a person starving or cutting themselves to death? I'm not asking to be contrary, I'm just nosey, I suppose. I draw the line at it involving children. I find it appalling we are allowing women - and sorrynotsorry, it is invariably the Mothers driving it, look at Desmond and Jazz and countless others - cramming a trans identity on their children, Children should not be put on puberty blockers, seeing as how we now know more about the long term effects and harm and they are not mentally capable of making that decision, and it sure a hell should not be the choice of a parent. It's not medically necessary, being trans is a mental disorder and it should be treated with aggressive therapy and if needed, removing the child from the parent pushing the trans identity on them.


And you cannot change gender. You can surgically mutilate your body to have secondary sex characteristics and take drugs to interfere with your endicrine system and replacement hormones for the ones you suppress. But you cannot "change gender". A troon is still chromosomally XX or XY (intersex people are incredibly rare, most are spontaneously aborted in urtero because even nature knows that shit needs fetus deleetused).


If grown adults afforded the rights of other adults, and with the mental capacity to function in society want to do that to themselves, then whatever, their funeral. But we need to stop pretending we're helping them. We're helping them by surgically altering their bodies to treat a mental disorder, and as we say with lobotomies, ultimately we caused far more harm than good with that, as was proven in the longer term. I'd even argue, lettting people troon out is a form of lobotomy. it keeps them quiet and docile and pliant for a few years while the doctor shop and take hormones and chase the lie that the surgery offers, but after a few years, the grave harm and damage becomes obvious, they realise they cannot come back from it and that's why 41%. We can carry on doing it, but ultimately we're saving up harm for the future because we lack the spine to say no in the short term.

I definitely draw the line at children as well and as for the starving part, no, but it comes down to “what can you realistically do?” If it’s someone you don’t know. Maybe I’m a sociopath for thinking that way, but if it was someone I did know I would most definitely intervene.

But what’s your opinion on people who are satisfied with the transition and are happier afterwards? Do you believe there’s more going on behind their head then what’s being lead on? There are some people who have transitioned and are happy with the results and do go on to live relatively decent albeit flawed lives with caveats. What are your thoughts on them?

 

[Fliddaroonie]

I definitely draw the line at children as well and as for the starving part, no, but it comes down to “what can you realistically do?” If it’s someone you don’t know. Maybe I’m a sociopath for thinking that way, but if it was someone I did know I would most definitely intervene.

But what’s your opinion on people who are satisfied with the transition and are happier afterwards? Do you believe there’s more going on behind their head then what’s being lead on? There are some people who have transitioned and are happy with the results and do go on to live relatively decent albeit flawed lives with caveats. What are your thoughts on them?

I don't want to carry on clogging up the thread too much, but the trans people I know who have had the surgery and are happier for it (or indeed, happy they did it) are people who didn't see it as a magical cure-all for their problems, and who went ahead with it after a lot of careful thought. And who could begrudge another person happiness? I just think we need to be more realistic about it and the surgery, make sure people truly understand what they are doing and the consequences, and that they're not just doing it on a whim/because of a fetish. In doing that, we'd also be ensuring the people who have it are the ones most likely to benefit the most from the procedures and treatments and that's always a consideration with other medically necessary procedures - does the benefit outweigh the harm? (and medical procecures are, invariably, harmful to various degrees).

Feel free to DM me about this if you want to talk more about it, I just don't wanna clog things up or go too OT here, so apologies if that's what I've done.

 

[JokahBaybee]

Quelle suprise!

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

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Quelle suprise!

So troon memorial day is now troon awareness week. How long until November is troon awesomeness month (like June (or is it July) is LGBTQWTFBBQ month now)? Isn't making the LGBTQWTFBBQ month in the summer all about them enough?

 

[bluegenius8585]

A quick question for this thread, so as it stands right now, transgenderism surgery through HRT and gender reassignment is posing a multitude of health complications to the point of being a total hazard for some people. Would it morally incorrect to have the process illegalized and/or banned completely until the safety and complications are addressed? Should we do more research into reassignment and see if there's a more safer and more concrete procedure to provide to people who make this choice?

Possibly, I mean some of the issues are just starting to come out at the moment, the Tavistock centre is facing the music, detrans people are getting more attention (and blowing the whistle on some of it) and so on and so forth.

 

[Bleeding Heart]

So, @pogmilf, the NB girl who accuses Mia @cuntrifle/@dlckhaver/@libfucker of sexual assault is currently busy defending Mia. Because the evil TERFs who are misgendering him are worse than rapists...

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Interestingly, you could argue both arguments are about self-preservation for her. Number one should obviously be protecting yourself and others from a sexual assaulter, but you could say she is desperately protecting her own “nonbinary identity” by defending dickhaver. Mental illness is a hell of a drug.

Also, I enjoy calling him dickhaver. It sounds like an insult but it was the username this brave transwomyn chose himself.

"My cunt producing more liquid than a fucking tap"
This is the first time I hear of a woman getting horny from crossdressing.

A lot of FTMs get more sexually aggressive due to testosterone, it's just that no one pays any attention to it since they can't really hit their intended target (gay men).

Periods. This biological woman was talking about their periods. In a really fucking weird way, but still.

My personal opinion is yes and no because there's a distinct possibility that someone going through a dysphoric episode is probably also going through a phase and the reassignment surgery currently is irreversible which is probably why suicide rates are so 50/50 right now because of regret. So yes in the sense that it's irreversible and there's a trend that shows that transgenderism might either be a phase or a complete mental disorder. However, no, in the sense that is it fair to restrict what someone should do with their body? If someone wants and is making the choice to transition, should they have the freedom to do so without the government interfering? Is it possible to perform more complex procedures to change someone's gender into something more accurate? That remains a mystery and, according to science, it's impossible to change a chromosomal makeup which is the key behind gender development. So I guess I'm conflicted right now.

We don't let people with body integrity disorder amputate healthy body parts, why do we allow transgender people to do that? When we see people cause harm to their body because of mental issues, we intervene and don't let them continue suffering mentally or causing themselves additional physical ailments. Whether we include dysphoria among mental illnesses or not, I have not seen a transgender person who doesn’t suffer from other mental illnesses both before and after transition. Also, we don't let minors change their body permanently, such as getting tattoos, because they can't consent, why are trans kids different? These doctors are breaking their oaths in so many ways.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

"My cunt producing more liquid than a fucking tap"
This is the first time I hear of a woman getting horny from crossdressing.

As opposed to what Blanchard says, horny women who do it for the fetish exist. - and this is an explanation for most of Tumblr content pre porn ban.

 

[How Do You Do Fellow Kids]

As opposed to what Blanchard says, horny women who do it for the fetish exist. - and this is an explanation for most of Tumblr content pre porn ban.

Indeed, I've known quite a few female fetishists. The thing about them is that unlike male fetishists, they're not overly exhibitionist about it - there's no aggressive drive to involve other people. It all mostly stays fantasy and largely takes the form of writing erotica/fanfic. Whether it's fe/male socialization differences or innate, women are largely shy about revealing their perversions.
Well, at least they were until troonism gave all of them a socially accepted outlet.

 

[fetid_sewer_rat]

Just found some bullshit on my lunch break, this is currently the top post in r/actuallesbians: GIRLDICK YOU GUYSE

full of 'lesbians' either seeking validation that someone could love their ugly troon selves or assuring that girldick 'tastes great' teehee totally lesbian thing to say!

Also I had a good hearty chuckle at these results of a demographic survey the sub did a while ago

 

[Safir]

Jacqueline Charlotte Dufresnoy - Moderately famous in france for havin a sex change. worked at a nice club called 'The Carousel' under the name "Coccinelle".
what was in the HRT back then niggas???

Self-selection.

Would it morally incorrect to have the process illegalized and/or banned completely until the safety and complications are addressed?

Unless cosmetic surgery such as which women have is banned, no, it's unfair to ban one type of self-mutilation and permit others.

Should we do more research into reassignment and see if there's a more safer and more concrete procedure to provide to people who make this choice?

No. Trooning out should have the same restrictions as permanent sterilization methods and should not get any taxpayer money. (No such restrictions should apply to treating health consequences of trooning out, but insurers should be allowed to "discriminate" as they do with e.g. people who practice extreme sports.)

Legal sex change should be banned other than to correct an actual medical or clerical error. All research should be left to the private butchers.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Yes, that's what I meant.

I was asking for the thread's opinion. My personal opinion is yes and no because there's a distinct possibility that someone going through a dysphoric episode is probably also going through a phase and the reassignment surgery currently is irreversible which is probably why suicide rates are so 50/50 right now because of regret. So yes in the sense that it's irreversible and there's a trend that shows that transgenderism might either be a phase or a complete mental disorder. However, no, in the sense that is it fair to restrict what someone should do with their body? If someone wants and is making the choice to transition, should they have the freedom to do so without the government interfering? Is it possible to perform more complex procedures to change someone's gender into something more accurate? That remains a mystery and, according to science, it's impossible to change a chromosomal makeup which is the key behind gender development. So I guess I'm conflicted right now.

Setting aside the suicide rate, reassignment surgery literally does nothing for a person other than mutilate their genitals. Functionally they gain nothing, and in most cases they lose basic functionalities. I don't see how anyone who isn't literally deranged can look at the results of any srs surgery and say they'd be pleased with them. The doctors who perform this shit are probably all sociopaths or troons themselves, I don't see how a normal human being could convince themselves they're doing these people any good otherwise.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

I swear to God FtMs are the least threatening people on the planet. Even the manlets.

I harvested some great bits from r askgaybros yesterday, I never thought I would be delighted to see men telling women to fuck the fuck off but here we are. Will post them shortly.

Yeah lol for all their female souls they never seem to understand how lesbian dating is just female sexual behavior amplified by 2. That's literally where the U-Haul meme comes from.

Yep. Women immediately set up home together, men ‘cottage’ in public toilets and stick their dicks through glory holes.

And utterly wreck your body. Fun "trivia": Male to Female have an increased risk for blood clotting... higher than natal women. Also this risk increases with subsequent years of taking HRT estrogen.
At least it is now being acknowledged: https://www.pcori.org/evidence-updates/estrogen-use-risk-for-blood-clots-strokes-among-transgender-women#:~:text=this Evidence Update-,Findings,several years after starting estrogen.

Bonus candid Pic from that website (just brilliant):
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Just watch the Doc " The Trans train", they tell a Swedish HSTS and he was stunned as his doctor never told during FU appointments after the publication of this study. Really on the ball of Transgender Healthcare there.

Good news from Sweden: https://genderreport.ca/the-swedish-u-turn-on-gender-transitioning/

(I mentioned it in the Gender Quacks thread yesterday https://kiwifarms.net/threads/srs-and-grs-surgeons-and-associated-horrors.76786/page-23#post-7761451 )

A quick question for this thread, so as it stands right now, transgenderism surgery through HRT and gender reassignment is posing a multitude of health complications to the point of being a total hazard for some people. Would it morally incorrect to have the process illegalized and/or banned completely until the safety and complications are addressed? Should we do more research into reassignment and see if there's a more safer and more concrete procedure to provide to people who make this choice?

Questions are being raised. There is a wave of female detransitioners on the horizon and I think we will see somewhat of a return to a Harry Benjamin style ‘gatekeeper’ model where comorbid conditions have to be ruled out first. Or at least, I think this will happen in countries with a socialised system. People will still transition, of course, but they will go abroad to less ethical doctors (eg Susie Green of Mermaids took her son to the US for puberty blockers because the U.K. didn’t offer that back then).

I definitely draw the line at children as well and as for the starving part, no, but it comes down to “what can you realistically do?” If it’s someone you don’t know. Maybe I’m a sociopath for thinking that way, but if it was someone I did know I would most definitely intervene.

But what’s your opinion on people who are satisfied with the transition and are happier afterwards? Do you believe there’s more going on behind their head then what’s being lead on? There are some people who have transitioned and are happy with the results and do go on to live relatively decent albeit flawed lives with caveats. What are your thoughts on them?

Lots of older transsexuals (as in transitioned ages ago, not the old AGPs who start titty skittles in their 60s) are actually fairly sad humans. They’ve never really fitted in and even if they have a happy relationship they never have the children/grandchildren that provide much of our emotional life in middle and old age. Some of them forget they transitioned due to dementia and live nightmare lives where everyday they wake up to the distress of missing penis and care home workers are obliged to call them by their legal lady name, even though the person themselves has mentally reverted to their biological sex.

The best place to discuss this kind of stuff is probably the gender doctors thread. Someone posted their yesterday about a cancerous neovag that killed it’s owner - there is no way to test for/examine a surface cancer that has been erroneously tucked inside a body. They couldn’t even use the ultrasound probe that is used for gynae stuff because neovages close up on themselves and the probe wouldn’t fit.

so even if a person is satisfied with their own transition, it still doesn’t mean it was ethical in the long term.

Leanne Mills had a successful transition, by all objective measures. He very bravely spoke out publicly in order to warn the current crop of very young transitioners.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/im-still-man-says-transsexual-2375238

(I actually hesitated over calling Leanne ‘he’ because I really do respect this human and don’t want to imply otherwise. However, for the sake of clarity of written communication and in pushback at woke language policing and the creep of newspeak, I chose the pronoun that describes Leanne’s sex. If Leanne should ever come across this, I want it to be clear that while I do indeed enjoy laughing at terrible troons, I also have sympathy for vulnerable people who were sold a lie and respect for those who are trying to expose those lies, sometimes at considerable personal cost, eg Miranda Yardley).

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

Indeed, I've known quite a few female fetishists. The thing about them is that unlike male fetishists, they're not overly exhibitionist about it - there's no aggressive drive to involve other people. It all mostly stays fantasy and largely takes the form of writing erotica/fanfic. Whether it's fe/male socialization differences or innate, women are largely shy about revealing their perversions.
Well, at least they were until troonism gave all of them a socially accepted outlet.

I would say that the fic *is* the drive to involve other people...consensually. In fact, beyond consensually, all the way to “they actually have to initiate and sustain the involvement all by themselves.”

There are almost no females whose enjoyment of sex could endure the knowledge that their partner finds them repulsive. That there is absolutely no attraction or desire there whatsoever. But the male use of prostitutes and my knowledge that men on the whole are not in fact 100% autistic retards indicates to me that there are plenty of men whose enjoyment of sex is not negatively impacted at all by the knowledge that their partner finds them repulsive and that there is absolutely no attraction or desire there whatsoever. In fact, a non-trivial % of males seem to actively enjoy that sort of thing. Whether that’s natural or induced insensitivity...well.

This is not, I believe, because women are innately kinder and more sensitive etc.

Spoiler: Effortpost

I believe it is because there is no reason in nature that the other party’s desire for you needs to be taken into consideration. I don’t think even the most intelligent and social animals do, though bonobos and such do seem to have a concept of preventing bigger and older bonobos from hurting younger ones. But by and large a drive to reproduce does not care about the feelings of the other party.

So I believe this is simply a case where males have not had that socialized out of them like women have. Women are socialized to eroticise - above all else - being *desired*. So you can see how even a hint of a lack of desire would throw the whole thing off. That is not to say there aren’t plenty of undesirable women deluding themselves, of course there are. But this is why females will never be buyers of sex. A prostitute exhibits a provable lack of desire, because she would not be doing it without the money. End of. And I do NOT believe as I said that men are such retards that they don’t know that. So being desired by the sex object has to be non-essential. Nice to have perhaps, but not required.

When I look at MTFs, I see all this internet and porn induced obsession with being *desired*. You look at them pre-trooning and sure most are heinous but some are attractive, and not all the latter are homosexual. Femaleness seems to embody desirability to them. Therefore to be female is to be desired, and thus to be desired, one must be female. If the MTF’s sexual response patterns have been triggered somehow to highly eroticize being desired, too much porn plus too much internet in general plus the declining role of fathers being available to model manhood to them, then perhaps his wires cross in such a way that makes him think “I want to be wanted thus I must be a woman, because women are desirable. To be happy I must be desired and thus I must be a woman.”

But some men are desirable too, so why wouldn’t they instead strive to be more desirable men? MTFs all seem to be obsessed with being pursued. There isn’t a cultural narrative available that provides examples of female pursuit of males being anything but either a joke or creepy as fuck. So perhaps these thwarted narcs think hey I’ll become a woman, and because women are desired, that will mean that lesbians will want me and pursue me. But of course they do not, because they’re lesbians but also because the troon has it wrong. Women are not pursued by men because they are women. Women are pursued by men because men are men. This is why we see homosexual males getting pursued by other homosexual males. The nature of any pursuit between actual females is simply very infrequently going to look anything at all like male pursuit of females. Or of males, in fact. Because the drive is different. The key with male pursuit of females and why it is culturally visible and privileged above all else is that there we have *nature* at work. Males acting on the instinct to reproduce, and also the age old instinct to not care if the female doesn‘t want it...just modernized into wearing her down, or a friendlier interpretation, proving his interest is real by the pursuit.

I know this is long but you can see how the desire to be DESIRED in an undesirable heterosexual male, or the desire to be desired so much he is PURSUED in a heterosexual male who is desirable, just in a masculine way that therefore does not invite pursuit but rather sets the expectation that HE will pursue the female...I can see how porn can twist that into troonery. Exacerbate that with autism and there you have the male troon.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

As opposed to what Blanchard says, horny women who do it for the fetish exist. - and this is an explanation for most of Tumblr content pre porn ban.

It’s a myth that Blanchard denies this. He has even coined a term to describe it ‘autohomoeroticism’.
He says it’s not quite the equivalent of autogynephilia - the women who do it aren’t turned on by the idea of being men or own masculinised bodies, they don’t stand in front of a mirror wearing a strap on beard and boxer shorts, furiously masturbating. The fetishy FtM troons are specifically turned on at the thought of participating in gay sex and living a gay male life style.
of course, the reality of gay sex isn’t quite what they idealised it to be - hook up culture is BRUTAL (‘no femmes, no fatties, no asians‘) and if you already have a wobbly enough sense of self you will cry over being misgendered, then you really aren’t going to cope well when you hear what a gay man thinks of your vagina.

r/askgaybros yesterday (most of the LGBT subs have been troon cucked, but askgaybros refuse to bend the knee)

The Question:

The typical responses:









Even the ‘yes’ responses are an enlightening insight into male sexuality:



Compare with what happened when the same person posted a similar question on r/transytalk






Gay man, Duncan, wrote an interesting medium article hypothesising on how come some gay men aren’t completely revolted by FtM bodies (he’s definitely in the ‘urgh, fuck no’ camp, personally):

https://medium.com/@duncanhenry78/sexuality-revisited-my-grand-unified-hypothesis-3ddc0c05798f

More about Autohomoerotic Gender Dysphoria here (article co authored by Blanchard and Bailey - you have to scroll quite far down for the relevant section)

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

by J. Michael Bailey, Ph.D and Ray Blanchard, Ph.D This is the second in a series of articles authored by Drs. Bailey and Blanchard; see here for their first piece. Many parents who are part of th…

4thwavenow.com

 

[bluegenius8585]

It’s a myth that Blanchard denies this. He has even coined a term to describe it ‘autohomoeroticism’.
He says it’s not quite the equivalent of autogynephilia - the women who do it aren’t turned on by the idea of being men or own masculinised bodies, they don’t stand in front of a mirror wearing a strap on beard and boxer shorts, furiously masturbating. The fetishy FtM troons are specifically turned on at the thought of participating in gay sex and living a gay male life style.
of course, the reality of gay sex isn’t quite what they idealised it to be - hook up culture is BRUTAL (‘no femmes, no fatties, no asians‘) and if you already have a wobbly enough sense of self you will cry over being misgendered, then you really aren’t going to cope well when you hear what a gay man thinks of your vagina.

r/askgaybros yesterday (most of the LGBT subs have been troon cucked, but askgaybros refuse to bend the knee)

The Question:
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The typical responses:

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Even the ‘yes’ responses are an enlightening insight into male sexuality:
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Compare with what happened when the same person posted a similar question on r/transytalk

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Gay man, Duncan, wrote an interesting medium article hypothesising on how come some gay men aren’t completely revolted by FtM bodies (he’s definitely in the ‘urgh, fuck no’ camp, personally):

https://medium.com/@duncanhenry78/sexuality-revisited-my-grand-unified-hypothesis-3ddc0c05798f

More about Autohomoerotic Gender Dysphoria here (article co authored by Blanchard and Bailey - you have to scroll quite far down for the relevant section)

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

by J. Michael Bailey, Ph.D and Ray Blanchard, Ph.D This is the second in a series of articles authored by Drs. Bailey and Blanchard; see here for their first piece. Many parents who are part of th…

4thwavenow.com

As a bisexual buy no I wouldn't either. I mean T- does something to the vagina and ends up making it dry and apparently weird and lumpy (according to reported effects of tester one) so I'll pass

 

[soulless guarantee]

FYI there is a thread in Deep Thoughts for general transgender discussion that might be more suitable for the longer discussions happening here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/general-transgender-discussion-thread.63637/

 

[Stilgar of Troon]

It’s a myth that Blanchard denies this. He has even coined a term to describe it ‘autohomoeroticism’.
He says it’s not quite the equivalent of autogynephilia - the women who do it aren’t turned on by the idea of being men or own masculinised bodies, they don’t stand in front of a mirror wearing a strap on beard and boxer shorts, furiously masturbating. The fetishy FtM troons are specifically turned on at the thought of participating in gay sex and living a gay male life style.
of course, the reality of gay sex isn’t quite what they idealised it to be - hook up culture is BRUTAL (‘no femmes, no fatties, no asians‘) and if you already have a wobbly enough sense of self you will cry over being misgendered, then you really aren’t going to cope well when you hear what a gay man thinks of your vagina.

r/askgaybros yesterday (most of the LGBT subs have been troon cucked, but askgaybros refuse to bend the knee)

The Question:
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The typical responses:

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Even the ‘yes’ responses are an enlightening insight into male sexuality:
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Compare with what happened when the same person posted a similar question on r/transytalk

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Gay man, Duncan, wrote an interesting medium article hypothesising on how come some gay men aren’t completely revolted by FtM bodies (he’s definitely in the ‘urgh, fuck no’ camp, personally):

https://medium.com/@duncanhenry78/sexuality-revisited-my-grand-unified-hypothesis-3ddc0c05798f

More about Autohomoerotic Gender Dysphoria here (article co authored by Blanchard and Bailey - you have to scroll quite far down for the relevant section)

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

by J. Michael Bailey, Ph.D and Ray Blanchard, Ph.D This is the second in a series of articles authored by Drs. Bailey and Blanchard; see here for their first piece. Many parents who are part of th…

4thwavenow.com

Based gays - gaydens BTFO. Love it.

 

[Father Brown]

A quick question for this thread, so as it stands right now, transgenderism surgery through HRT and gender reassignment is posing a multitude of health complications to the point of being a total hazard for some people. Would it morally incorrect to have the process illegalized and/or banned completely until the safety and complications are addressed? Should we do more research into reassignment and see if there's a more safer and more concrete procedure to provide to people who make this choice?

It just shouldn't be offered or presented as a form of medical treatment. There is obviously insufficient evidence to justify any hormonal or surgical interventions and the only reason anyone half-pretends (many admit in a great many words that the evidentiary support is a little lacking) otherwise is because of massive activist/ideological capture of various medical bodies.

Trooning out is like getting a face tattoo or some other form of questionable body modification and should ideally be treated as such. Maybe some form of regulation would be reasonable to prohibit say the mentally incapable from being operated on but even then I think it would still be preferable for surgeons/hormone providers to self-regulate and just have some basic ethical standards like fixed waiting periods as well as not providing services to the mentally unstable. Ironically, tattooists are a pretty good model here, since most of them won't give face/neck tattoos to people who are obviously fucked in the head or who aren't extensively tattooed already.

IMO, it should only really be outright banned for minors since they cannot be said to give consent. As an aside "being mature for your age" or some such rubbish misses the main point of consent itself. Namely, it is tied primarily to the ability to assume responsibility for one's decisions. This is why you can only go fuck a child and be found innocent in court on the grounds that "she was mature for her age" in a pedo's imagination.

Spoiler: Consent sperging

This isn't an arcane point either, the inability to later feel as though you were responsible for your actions, that someone else 'modified' you, strikes me as the major source of trauma in this whole phenomenon. Just like how victims of child sexual abuse often only suffer years after the event when they develop an understanding of what happened to them, so too will the children who were given hormones or top surgery etc. when/if they come to view what was done to them under the guardianship of medical authorities as unjustifiable medical experimentation. All in the name of some fiction that you are everyone around you convinced you to believe. Most people can't own that as just a dumb thing you did if it happened when you were a minor.

Yet tragically, it's something that every one of this children will probably eventually have to face when no one can believe, even implicitly, in the notion of "trans-ness" as some Real/innate ontological state. This is true even if you are someone who takes well to hormones/surgery because legitimating beliefs are incredibly important; you need to be able to justify the why and the what you are both to yourself and others. People care an immense amount about this and the inability to do so is often very painful. You see this really clearly with AGPs, who are almost invariably aggrieved by any suggestion that their desires are in any way the consequence of an over-indulged fetish since they subconsciously intuit this as not a socially valid justification for their actions and pretenses. Hence, the obsessive effort by a lot of AGPs (see: TMWWBQ, Colin 'Katy' Montgomerie's burning hatred for 'Amy' Long Chu) to first attack and discredit any suggestion of either the existence of the phenomenon or its relevance to them. Followed by the attempts re-imagine themselves as having actually always been GNC or somehow having 'always known' which is supposed to then provide that much need social justification.

 

[Retrograde Mercury]

I would say that the fic *is* the drive to involve other people...consensually. In fact, beyond consensually, all the way to “they actually have to initiate and sustain the involvement all by themselves.”

There are almost no females whose enjoyment of sex could endure the knowledge that their partner finds them repulsive. That there is absolutely no attraction or desire there whatsoever. But the male use of prostitutes and my knowledge that men on the whole are not in fact 100% autistic retards indicates to me that there are plenty of men whose enjoyment of sex is not negatively impacted at all by the knowledge that their partner finds them repulsive and that there is absolutely no attraction or desire there whatsoever. In fact, a non-trivial % of males seem to actively enjoy that sort of thing. Whether that’s natural or induced insensitivity...well.

This is not, I believe, because women are innately kinder and more sensitive etc.

Spoiler: Effortpost

I believe it is because there is no reason in nature that the other party’s desire for you needs to be taken into consideration. I don’t think even the most intelligent and social animals do, though bonobos and such do seem to have a concept of preventing bigger and older bonobos from hurting younger ones. But by and large a drive to reproduce does not care about the feelings of the other party.

So I believe this is simply a case where males have not had that socialized out of them like women have. Women are socialized to eroticise - above all else - being *desired*. So you can see how even a hint of a lack of desire would throw the whole thing off. That is not to say there aren’t plenty of undesirable women deluding themselves, of course there are. But this is why females will never be buyers of sex. A prostitute exhibits a provable lack of desire, because she would not be doing it without the money. End of. And I do NOT believe as I said that men are such retards that they don’t know that. So being desired by the sex object has to be non-essential. Nice to have perhaps, but not required.

When I look at MTFs, I see all this internet and porn induced obsession with being *desired*. You look at them pre-trooning and sure most are heinous but some are attractive, and not all the latter are homosexual. Femaleness seems to embody desirability to them. Therefore to be female is to be desired, and thus to be desired, one must be female. If the MTF’s sexual response patterns have been triggered somehow to highly eroticize being desired, too much porn plus too much internet in general plus the declining role of fathers being available to model manhood to them, then perhaps his wires cross in such a way that makes him think “I want to be wanted thus I must be a woman, because women are desirable. To be happy I must be desired and thus I must be a woman.”

But some men are desirable too, so why wouldn’t they instead strive to be more desirable men? MTFs all seem to be obsessed with being pursued. There isn’t a cultural narrative available that provides examples of female pursuit of males being anything but either a joke or creepy as fuck. So perhaps these thwarted narcs think hey I’ll become a woman, and because women are desired, that will mean that lesbians will want me and pursue me. But of course they do not, because they’re lesbians but also because the troon has it wrong. Women are not pursued by men because they are women. Women are pursued by men because men are men. This is why we see homosexual males getting pursued by other homosexual males. The nature of any pursuit between actual females is simply very infrequently going to look anything at all like male pursuit of females. Or of males, in fact. Because the drive is different. The key with male pursuit of females and why it is culturally visible and privileged above all else is that there we have *nature* at work. Males acting on the instinct to reproduce, and also the age old instinct to not care if the female doesn‘t want it...just modernized into wearing her down, or a friendlier interpretation, proving his interest is real by the pursuit.

I know this is long but you can see how the desire to be DESIRED in an undesirable heterosexual male, or the desire to be desired so much he is PURSUED in a heterosexual male who is desirable, just in a masculine way that therefore does not invite pursuit but rather sets the expectation that HE will pursue the female...I can see how porn can twist that into troonery. Exacerbate that with autism and there you have the male troon.

I know of at least one case where a man killed a prostitute because she didn't hide her disgust but idk. (I can't for the love of god remember their names) lots of prostitutes say they have to pretend to be absolutely in love with whatever perverted shit their clients do.