US Georgia Schools Reopen To Packed Hallways And Students Testing Positive For COVID-19 - 'We know the football team has tested positive for covid already.....but we're not actually going to make masks mandatory in school knowing we have infected students'

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Georgia Schools Reopen To Packed Hallways And Students Testing Positive For COVID-19

Reopened schools in Georgia’s Paulding and Cherokee counties drew negative attention this week after viral photographs appeared to show students packing hallways with little regard for social distancing or mask-wearing.

The most prominent images were taken on Tuesday by a 10th grader in North Paulding High School who posted them on social media and described the hallway situation as severely jammed.

Other viral images showed students from Cherokee County’s Etowah High School and Sequoyah High School standing in close proximity for senior photos with nary a mask in sight.

Prior to schools reopening on Monday, North Paulding High School’s principal, Gabe Carmona, sent a letter to parents alerting them that members of the football team had contracted COVID-19, not specifying the numbers or the severity of their cases.

According to BuzzFeed, Carmona also addressed the viral images on Wednesday, reportedly stating over the intercom that students who publicly criticized the school on social media could face disciplinary action.

Two students — including the 10th grader who posted the images of the crowded hallway — told BuzzFeed they were suspended for sharing photos online, with school administration citing violations of the school’s phone policy and posting pictures of minors without consent as reasons for the punishment.

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A photo taken Aug. 4, 2020, by a student at North Paulding High School in Dallas, Georgia, shows students crowding hallways while fewer than half wear masks. (Photo: Handout/AP)

Paulding County Superintendent Brian Otott also addressed the images in a statement, arguing that they were being criticized “without context” and saying the crowds only lasted for a “brief period” when students were transitioning between classes.

“Wearing a mask is a personal choice and there is no practical way to enforce a mandate to wear them,” Otott said. “What we will do is strongly encourage all students and staff to wear masks.”

Paulding County schools have both in-person and “virtual academies” available during the fall semester, and according to Atlanta media outlet 11Alive News, 70% of the county’s 31,000 students have returned for in-person learning, with 9,000 in online classes.

A notice on the district’s websites says that while students and staff are encouraged to wear masks during in-person schooling, face coverings will not be mandatory because “the school district recognizes that wearing a face mask is a personal choice for families.”

A reopening plan on the Cherokee County School Board website reveals a similar strategy, with both in-person schooling and a digital learning program in place. Regulations require “all employees to wear face coverings in situations where social distancing cannot be achieved,” while students are “strongly encourage[d] and recommend[ed]” to wear masks.

The plan indicates that the school district “will provide every student with two reusable cloth masks upon request.”

On Tuesday, school officials at Cherokee County’s Sixes Elementary School announced that a second-grader had tested positive for COVID-19, forcing the student’s class of 20 students to undergo a two-week quarantine.

A message from Superintendent Brian V. Hightower said that the district was “going to take positive cases seriously” and shut down schools if necessary.

“We need to fight that good fight together: social distance when we can, and mask up when we can’t; wash our hands, and be kind,” Hightower said. “We are stronger together.”

Atlanta pediatrician Frita Fisher, an advocate of mandatory masks and social distancing in the classroom, told 11Alive News that reopening Georgia schools with shaky social distancing measures and without making masks mandatory for all students was “very frustrating and unsettling.”

“It’s upsetting because we are sending our kids to school knowing that we are putting them at an increased risk for spreading coronavirus among themselves and to the community,” Fisher said.

This story has been updated to reflect that students sharing photos of North Paulding High School’s crowds received suspensions.

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So.... The school knows there are infected students, opens the school anyway and explicitly allows those students to be in school, while not making masks mandatory even for those people they know are infected......all the while suspending people who post proof of people gathering in crowds at said school or criticizing the school

Oh yeah, this will end well. The faculty may as well be wearing tshirts that say 'sue me' on them, cause if it gets around the school and a bunch of kids end up in the hospital parents are going to lose their shit. God help the school board if someone dies
 
to be fair, i think his case is a case of wishful thinking. it is left up to the states and local authorities, yes, but maybe this should've been handled federally, even though i recognize the whole "states rights" thing. i mean you're right but it kinda sucks when there isn't one solid plan that everyone can adhere to.

edit: saw your reply, will reply here as to not doublepost. i'm no expert, and frankly i don't feel like looking this up, so if you want to be the bigger man (huehue moobs) then feel free to do so, but do we happen to know the rate of infection on these other viruses? i mean i'm sure we do, but i'd be interested to see the rate of infection of each one, which may explain why other viruses/diseases didn't fuck shit up.
Lol if that happened, you'd see the msm and all of these governors get in a huge fit about states' rights. TBF, I'm sure there would be a few R's who would be preaching the virtues of a federal mask mandate.
 
to be fair, i think his case is a case of wishful thinking. it is left up to the states and local authorities, yes, but maybe this should've been handled federally, even though i recognize the whole "states rights" thing. i mean you're right but it kinda sucks when there isn't one solid plan that everyone can adhere to.

edit: saw your reply, will reply here as to not doublepost. i'm no expert, and frankly i don't feel like looking this up, so if you want to be the bigger man (huehue moobs) then feel free to do so, but do we happen to know the rate of infection on these other viruses? i mean i'm sure we do, but i'd be interested to see the rate of infection of each one, which may explain why other viruses/diseases didn't fuck shit up.

SARS and Bird Flu infected more people than Coronavirus, as did Hong Kong Virus. West Nile, Norwalk, and Zika had worse symptoms and worse permanent after effects.

Thank you for admitting your ignorance since your only point of reference was Spanish Flu.
 
Right, but that's generally how the MSM gets away with things as well. You can almost never catch them in an outright lie, they just leave out certain facts that are detrimental to the angle they are trying to push. Sadly, AP has started going this route.

I forget if Reuters has too off the top of my head.

really makes you wish that we still had the fairness doctrine...

oh, yeah, no, they don't lie, per se. i mean they can't. it would be libel if they lied about something that could fuck up someone's reputation. but at least there's something we can agree on, which is that generally msm isn't reliable, and apparently neither is AP. i'd like to think reuters is not shit. i mean people used to treat it like the last fucking bastion of news.

i mean there's also bbc, which people claim isn't biased (if you're in the US) because they have no stakes in shit, but i dunno.

i'd be interested in finding real genuine news that isn't biased propaganda, though. if you know of anything like that, let me know, man.
 
How the fuck did a thread about Georgia opening up schools as usual get side-tracked to the Flynn Investigation?

Remember when "if everyone just stays home for two weeks this shit would get under control?"

That was months ago. Sure glad the government through the economy away and got shit under control!
TBF Georgia was only locked down for two weeks and they have started the school year relatively on time.

(Which is why so many people want to see Georgia fail. It cannot be allowed to become the Sweden of the South, because then the narrative is ruined and the wrong-thinkers will have more ammo for wrong-thinking.
Its also why when we opened up back at the end of April, people were salivating on Twitter for there to be deaths in Georgia as "punishment" for opening back up
)

Right, but that's generally how the MSM gets away with things as well. You can almost never catch them in an outright lie, they just leave out certain facts that are detrimental to the angle they are trying to push. Sadly, AP has started going this route.

I forget if Reuters has too off the top of my head.
They all do that. Fox News & Co. included.

Journos aren't taught to understand science, but they are taught how to tell laymen what to think of scientific findings.
 
How the fuck did a thread about Georgia opening up schools as usual get side-tracked to the Flynn Investigation?


TBF Georgia was only locked down for two weeks and they have started the school year relatively on time.


They all do that. Fox News & Co. included.

Journos aren't taught to understand science, but they are taught how to tell laymen what to think of scientific findings.

wait does that always happen?

if you want to get technical, fox news isn't even categorized as news. it's entertainment. though i'd argue at this point it's all entertainment, it's just that fox news is more honest about it.
 
You're literally accusing people of being conspiracy theorists while outright claiming there is a conspiracy to manipulate the statistics.

This is probably a waste of keypad-fingering, but fuck it here we go:

Let me preface this by explaining that Coronaviruses are not like HIV (retrovirus), Herpes (DNA virus) or Shingles (DNA virus) - they are a simple RNA virus. They hijack individual cells but they do not alter the host's DNA like Retroviruses (which are an advanced form of RNA virus which can reverse-transcribe its RNA to alter the host's DNA) or true DNA viruses. Simply put, this means that Coronaviruses infect, do the damage, and then are done and gone without permanently changing the host. So, any long-term damage that comes from COVID must happen within that infection window of four days to two months. It is also worth noticing that there is no evolutionary advantage to causing long-term damage for a basic RNA virus, therefore any and all damage is "incidental" rather than "intentional".

Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) is the primary vessel for long-term damage because it basically deprives your other organs of oxygen. ARDS is also a major culprit in the "hyper-coagulation" reported in a small number of cases which causes blot clots, strokes, heart attacks, etc. (source). It is important to note that ARDS is strongly linked to hospitalizations, specifically ICU admissions:
(Archive)

Now unfortunately ideal information about what true percentage of COVID cases require hospitalization and/or ICU admission is surprisingly hard to come by in a both reliable and condensed, direct number. However, we can make some estimates about hospitalization and ICU rates using existing data.

Based on early data from the CDC, the hospitalization rate of COVID-19 is 20-31% (with an associated fatality rate of 1.8 - 3.4%)
(Raw Source)
If we use theses number, we can generate a rough-guess range for the number of people vulnerable to "long-term affects" of COVID-19 by cross-referencing them with numbers for infection mortality rate (IFR) (where IFR is our proxy for unreported asymptomatic/mild cases).

For a good meta-analysis (taking data from 32 peer-reviewed articles), I'll be using the following paper:
(Archive)

By comparing more plausible estimates of IFR to the previously estimated IFR, we can get a percentage of what the true hospitalization rate would look like.
For example, 1.31 is about 73% of 1.8, therefore hospitalizations would reflect only 73% of their previous estimate, while 0.27 is just 15% of 1.8, therefore hospitalizations would reflect about 15% of their previous estimate.
HOWEVER, something to consider is that deaths are "eating from the same plate" as are long-term effects, hence the subtraction of the IFR rate from the correct hospitalization/ICU numbers
CDC 20% Hospitalization (1.8% IFR)CDC 4.9% ICU (1.8% IFR)CDC 31% Hospitalization (3.4% IFR)CDC 11.5% ICU (3.4% IFR)
Ioannidis Max IFR (1.31%)14.6% (- 1.31 = 13.29%)3.5% (-1.31 = 2.19%)11.7% (-1.31 = 10.39%)8.3% (-1.31 = 6.99%)
Ioannidis Median IFR Epicenter (0.27%)3% (-0.27 = 2.73%)0.74% (-0.27 = 0.47%)2.2% (-0.27 = 1.93%)0.81% (-0.27 = 0.54%)
Ioannidis Median IFR Normal (0.1%)1% (-0.1 = 0.9%)0.25% (-0.1 = 0.15%)0.62% (-0.1 = 0.52%)0.23% (-0.1 = 0.13%)

Now its important to note that while these estimations are rough, that they are still likely over-estimations for a number of reasons:
1) Data is from earlier in the pandemic and uses a smaller sample size
2) They assume everyone that either is hospitalized and/or has severe cases will end up with long term side effects, which is not a given. Because of what I said earlier about COVID being a basic RNA virus which does not permanently colonize the host like HIV, Herpes, Shingles, etc.; it can only damage in that short time frame which means that the estimated excess of severe cases far outweighs the few statistical outliers where mild cases resulted in long-term damage.
3) Asymptomatic/mild cases are a relatively dynamic variable, while hospitalization and death rates are largely static.

4) Preexisting/underlying conditions. These rates do not reflect how many people were already vulnerable (i.e. if you already have damaged lungs, ARDS is more likely to do more damage to the lungs; if you're already obese you are more likely to blot clot, etc.)

Personally, I'd put the most stake in the 0.47-0.54% estimates, simply because the Median IFR is going to be the better proxy than the best/worse case estimates; but either way in most circumstances long-term damage is far from the inevitable, impending and highly-likely monster its made out to be.

The government of Alberta (Canada) has been rather transparent about numbers of acute cases and hospitalizations, and we're about as densely populated as most places in the US. You could use the data from their website to extrapolate things from other places not as densely packed as NYC/NJ.

i mean really, if you just make masks mandatory, i think we'd see a dramatic decline in cases. it's true that eventually the economy has to open, and so be it. just one tiny thing would make a world of difference. we just need to get people onboard.

Stopping niggers from burning the cities would have drastically reduced cases, too.
 
So what about Hong Kong flu of 1969?

No masks, no lockdowns, no travel-bans. You know what people did? Went to woodstock.

SARS in 2004? No masks, no lockdowns, no travel-bans. Nothing happened.

Swine Flu? Bird Flu? Norwalk? Henta Virus? West Nile? BSE? Zika?

Why is this one so different?

Hint: It isn't.
Because China sperged out so fucking hard about it, and CV19 deaths totally weren't due to other factors, like the state of the Chinese medical system, Chinese air quality, or literally walling people inside of their apartment blocks so they could watch their families die.
 
So what about Hong Kong flu of 1969?

No masks, no lockdowns, no travel-bans. You know what people did? Went to woodstock
And two wonderful ladies died from the Hong Kong Flu. You insensitive bastard.

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This is a missed opportunity. Physical school buildings still have a very real requirement, but the nature of that requirement has shifted. We need teaching lab facilities, science classes, we still need people to learn to use tools that won't be available to them in the home environment necessarily. What we don't need is a 'class room'. English class is meaningless. Restructuring schools more as facilities then 'schools' might cut down the cost of maintaining the education system. The real menace is recognizing that school's been a publicly paid daycare for fifty years, and replacing that somehow.
This would be better for hands on learners, too. There's a lot of kids being doped up on Adderall that could thrive if you let them learn with their hands.
 
Singapore's pretty fucking high on that list dude and it's probably the most diverse country on it, after the USA and the UK. Canada is just below Singapore too.

Singapore:

Chinese: 74.3%
Malay: 13.4%
Indian: 9%
Other: 3.2%
 
Just using this thread to produce examples of American education, we might as well burn all the schools to the ground.
 
New York will also have its schools open and it seems most universities will have students on campus.
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I dunno, you're barely educating them now and you seem fine...
Even from that graph the US is right behind France, and a stone toss away from the UK. So I wouldn't call that "barely educating"
Kind of weird how high Poland is, though
 
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