💤 Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger (Thread 2: THE RECKONING)

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RWS Watcher said:
What was Nick's favorite topics of discussion with you (I can already take a guess, but it doesn't hurt to ask)? How often did he bring up the subject of pedophilia?

I'm curious about how consumed he was with his perverted fantasies in private before and after committing his crime.
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He mostly asked me for advice. He saw me as somebody who really had their shit together, and I think that was part of the whole "Mommy" thing. He asked me how to get Anna's attention again, and I was honest with him.... he wouldn't. When he started to show interest in a girl at his group therapy meetings I jumped on the chance to get him to ask her out or something. That was a thing for a bit. He would also ask me how to do every day tasks, like cook or clean or, like, be a person. Social cues and stuff like that. He did bring up pedophilia, but as I said before, I always shot it down. I tried to have a heart to heart with him about how my experiences have affected me, but it went over his head. He couldn't see how showing "love" to a child could be wrong.

So touching on a few posts before this, I really don't think he believes he did anything wrong. I imagine he's trying to tell his fellow inmates that he either didn't do anything, just like with us, or that he just loved his sister. Neither argument is going to get him anywhere. He isn't aware enough to keep quiet.
 
phoenix.pinion said:
Intelligence test sperging ahead...
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I like your general analysis, and would just note the main number in this psych evaluation is this:

Axis V: Current GAF: 30

Highest GAF in the past year: 30
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GAF is short for "Global Assessment of Functioning," and a 30 is interesting when compared to the other tests showing what might otherwise have indicated a reasonably high level of functioning. A changed GAF, especially if it had recently lowered, would indicate a recent deterioration. It's often used in things like disability hearings and when a general idea of where someone is at mentally is needed for legal purposes.

This pretty much indicates that Nick is a sick puppy and has been for at least a year.

GAF Scale

21 - 30 Behavior is considerably influenced by delusions or hallucinations or serious impairment, in communication or judgment (e.g., sometimes incoherent, acts grossly inappropriately, suicidal preoccupation) or inability to function in almost all areas (e.g., stays in bed all day, no job, home, or friends)
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Anyway, the super low scores are often someone actively suicidal and such a person would often be found institutionalized. A GAF of 30 that's persistently at that level is basically someone who is a complete mess.

Arguably, Nick is really even lower.

11 - 20 Some danger of hurting self or others (e.g., suicide attempts without clear expectation of death; frequently violent; manic excitement) or occasionally fails to maintain minimal personal hygiene (e.g., smears feces) or gross impairment in communication (e.g., largely incoherent or mute).
1 - 10 Persistent danger of severely hurting self or others (e.g., recurrent violence) or persistent inability to maintain minimal personal hygiene or serious suicidal act with clear expectation of death.
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I don't know if Nick's psych evaluation is up for grabs online - I imagine it is - but I'll check over it once I get home in two weeks. I'm on vacation right now oops.
 
AnOminous said:
I like your general analysis, and would just note the main number in this psych evaluation is this:



GAF is short for "Global Assessment of Functioning," and a 30 is interesting when compared to the other tests showing what might otherwise have indicated a reasonably high level of functioning. A changed GAF, especially if it had recently lowered, would indicate a recent deterioration. It's often used in things like disability hearings and when a general idea of where someone is at mentally is needed for legal purposes.

This pretty much indicates that Nick is a sick puppy and has been for at least a year.

GAF Scale



Anyway, the super low scores are often someone actively suicidal and such a person would often be found institutionalized. A GAF of 30 that's persistently at that level is basically someone who is a complete mess.

Arguably, Nick is really even lower.
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Indeed you are correct! Thanks for reminding me about that. I'd forgotten about that and I'm glad you brought it up. Unfortunately, the GAF is no longer a part of the DSM diagnostic scale as of the DSM 5 (released in 2013), so it's no longer used if a psychologist is using that diagnostic system. I think the APA generally believed that the GAF was too subjective of a measure all in all. However, you can get objective measures similar to a GAF that I use in my own assessments if I'm helping with disability or intellectual disability evaluations. You can get a standard score using tests like the Vineland or ABAS, which help you determine the individual's adaptive functioning. I have no doubt that Nick would score extremely low on something like this. His ability to function appropriately in the home, work, and social and general environment just clearly wasn't there.
 
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RWS Watcher said:
What was Nick's favorite topics of discussion with you (I can already take a guess, but it doesn't hurt to ask)? How often did he bring up the subject of pedophilia?

I'm curious about how consumed he was with his perverted fantasies in private before and after committing his crime.
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I know you were addressing Jessa, but...

Well, aside from the preoccupation with me and all that, a lot of our discussions, at least when we were friends, were just us sperging about cartoons and music and such. We also roleplayed a lot (though technically it was closer to collaborative script-format fanfiction than actual roleplaying, since neither of us picked specific roles, but details :P). Sometimes we'd talk about shit that was going on in our lives. Honestly, the general subject matter was mostly Normal Dumb Teenage Crap.

That said, a lot of it was super creepy in hindsight, due to the general...Nick-ish-ness of all of it. He was very fixated on us eventually meeting in person, to a degree that was obnoxious at best and scary at worst, and he did talk frequently about fetishes. I remember he brought his scat fetish up constantly. Pedophilia didn't come up super often with me, but it was frequently implied.

A little anecdote combining those two, incidentally: we were roleplaying once and I referred to a character--a preteen girl who was being severely bullied by her peers--"getting the shit beaten out of her." Nick proceeded to add that she literally got the shit beaten out of her. I remember objecting to that and being all "I meant it figuratively and what you're implying is super gross, like what the fuck," but I don't think I quite grasped the magnitude of things at the time, since we were obviously still friends then. And I do think he commented that the shit thing would be hot or something.

It might be in the chat logs somewhere. I'll share it if I find it, because that one incident, in hindsight, speaks fucking volumes.
 
The page on the State Correctional Institute at Waymart says they house 675 sex offenders there, along with other prisoners who have severe mental illnesses. My guess is that's a likely destination for Nick.

Not that a state correctional psych facility is likely to be a great environment for anyone; here in Mass., we're dealing with our state correctional psych hospital being found negligent in the death of an inmate a few years ago, and the reports on the conditions there are not pleasant.
 
That weird feeling of legit learning things in a Nick Bate thread.

You guys are pretty awesome for taking the time to analyze all of this for us. I don't know very much about law or psychology and this has been extremely informative. :)
 
MrsFrizzle said:
The page on the State Correctional Institute at Waymart says they house 675 sex offenders there, along with other prisoners who have severe mental illnesses. My guess is that's a likely destination for Nick.

Not that a state correctional psych facility is likely to be a great environment for anyone; here in Mass., we're dealing with our state correctional psych hospital being found negligent in the death of an inmate a few years ago, and the reports on the conditions there are not pleasant.
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That's my understanding probably where he will go but Graterford also has it, unsure on the other prisons in PA.
 
pbls said:
I'd prefer not to speak for Heather, because I haven't spoken to her for a while and I'm sure she wants to stay out of this. I do appreciate the pun, though.
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That's fine, and there was actually no pun intended.

He was diagnosed with that as well as Autism Spectrum Disorder/Aspergers. I am a million percent sure he has a whole bunch of other things, but none that can be pinpointed over thirty days... which is the evaluation process that they used. If we want a more detailed prognosis we would need something way more intensive, which maybe he can have access to in jail?
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I get the impression that might be more difficult to obtain, though I'm going off the sole case I'm familiar with, that being Madthad. I remember a significant amount of documentation came out regarding his sentencing (including the time he attempted suicide and called up FBI agents, telling them to come and kill him), just about everything worthwhile short of a psychiatric diagnoses, which was indeed conducted at some point, but it was apparently never made public. Which is a shame, because I had a morbid curiosity to find out exactly what could make someone that insane (even moreso with Nick of course, who is really truly worse than Thad.)

Anybody else familiar with obtaining anything like this?
 
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Bassomatic said:
Nick will not be in one of the lighter prisons, and depending where he'll be in a securer housing for protected inmates that has some "freedom" till he causes a ruckus (or is victim to one) or he'll be sent to a full lock down isolation unit. Really depends where he's sent.
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Hmmmmm.
I wonder if SCI Graterford is still in operation. I heard, back in the day, that Graterford was really scruffy and run down and the locals were unusually "rowdy" and "rambunctious" even by prison standards.
Such a shame he didn't try this shit down in Louisiana. Angola State Pen is notoriously horrid and our lovely coprophiliac kiddy-fiddler would have not have enjoyed his visit. Not even it in the slightest.
 
Anyone else keep looking on Twitter to see if he's made bail? On one hand, I'm glad he's locked up where he belongs. But an evil part of me is dying to hear what he'd say.
 
Mrs Paul said:
Anyone else keep looking on Twitter to see if he's made bail? On one hand, I'm glad he's locked up where he belongs. But an evil part of me is dying to hear what he'd say.
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No, I do. But it's the morbid sort, because I want hear how prison life is treating him and being online would probably violate any condition of his release, so retweeting it to the Lancaster police might be interesting.
 
LordCustos3 said:
Hmmmmm.
I wonder if SCI Graterford is still in operation. I heard, back in the day, that Graterford was really scruffy and run down and the locals were unusually "rowdy" and "rambunctious" even by prison standards.
Such a shame he didn't try this shit down in Louisiana. Angola State Pen is notoriously horrid and our lovely coprophiliac kiddy-fiddler would have not have enjoyed his visit. Not even it in the slightest.
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It's still around.
http://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Graterford.aspx#.VUhGurrbyjI
Yes, it's still considered the worst place to be in the PA prisons.
They planned on closing it and upgrading it (hey it's PA gov what can you expect?) I'm not sure what either plan came to but as of writing this it's open, lets hope a cold slab is free for Sick Nick.
 
Chan the Wizard said:
No, I do. But it's the morbid sort, because I want hear how prison life is treating him and being online would probably violate any condition of his release, so retweeting it to the Lancaster police might be interesting.
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Talking about the ongoing case would be a no no. But talking about how the prison stay was and what happened to him wouldn't be a part of his release. He'd have limits, like don't talk about Amber, but that's about it.
 
4Macie said:
Talking about the ongoing case would be a no no. But talking about how the prison stay was and what happened to him wouldn't be a part of his release. He'd have limits, like don't talk about Amber, but that's about it.
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People who have commited sex crime are offer forbidding from having cell phone and/or internet access I would not be shocked if Nick was given such a condition
 
Man, is it satisfying to watch the new TMBG Dial-A-Song videos knowing Nick will never see them...

Mrs Paul said:
Anyone else keep looking on Twitter to see if he's made bail? On one hand, I'm glad he's locked up where he belongs. But an evil part of me is dying to hear what he'd say.
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Oh don't worry. I feel the same curiosity. I don't know much about law but let's say Nick stays locked up, would it be impossible to interview him while he is there?
 
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