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How son of company director grew up to commit Tate horror


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Carers in charge of Tate pusher Jonty Bravery were instructed: ‘Never say no to him.’ The volatile teenager had a nasty habit of turning aggressive if he did not get his own way.

Staff assigned to the stocky teen around the clock said they were helpless to confront him if he stole from shops, and were not even allowed to wake him if he overslept.

The details of the way this emotionally disturbed teenager was supervised raise yet more questions about whether the terrible tragedy could have been averted.

At least two carers knew of Bravery’s plan to throw someone off a tall building, which they recorded. The Daily Mail has been handed the chilling recording by one of the carers, whom we are calling Olly.

He said: ‘This was a tragedy waiting to happen. I genuinely thought he was going to do it, because Jonty is the kind of person who, if he says he will do something, he will do it. He doesn’t say something without trying to do it.

‘Jonty was very challenging and complex. He could be nice but was also highly manipulative, and very difficult when not getting his own way. He was constantly trying to get out of the house, get access to females, get on to the internet.

‘If he didn’t get a specific item that he wanted, he had the potential to either steal the item or he would give the staff hell. Basically, we would just go back later and pay for whatever he stole.

‘You can’t say no to Jonty. It was written in his care plan. If you say no, it will trigger him to do the complete opposite of what you told him not to do. It would aggressively work him up, and the situation would get more out of hand.’

Perhaps it is little wonder that 18-year-old Bravery, with his autism and myriad personality disorders, was allegedly described by one care professional as ‘my most complex client’.

He was not always like that. Family photos reflect a happy upbringing, with primary school-aged Jonty smiling happily in costume with a cardboard axe in a school play. Another shows him being hugged by his father.

Bravery was born on October 2, 2001, at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital in West London. But his parents had separated by the time Jonty was three. His father Piers Bravery, 53, a Surrey-based company director who runs a printing firm, and mother, an ex-air hostess, both have new families.

Bravery, who struggled through early life attending various special needs schools, was said to have been jealous of their more ‘normal’ lives.

During his childhood, Bravery’s father campaigned passionately for more help for children with autism. He raised funds for a special needs centre that had been ‘incredibly caring and understanding to my son Jonty’. But as his son grew older, and bigger, he became more of a challenge for his family and teachers.

In 2017, Bravery was sectioned under the Mental Health Act, aged 16, and taken from his home. He spent six weeks in a mental health facility – but after that he was allowed to live semi-independently in a residential flat in Northolt, west London. He was the responsibility of Hammersmith and Fulham social services, and assigned up to six full-time carers. They worked in pairs to ensure – in theory, at least – he was never alone, day or night.

Bravery devoted himself to trying to outwit them. Olly told the Mail: ‘You could tell when Jonty was about to do something, because there were always signs when he was plotting – a lot of eye contact, a lot of aggression. Jonty’s aim was not to make your day tricky, but if you got in his way, he would make it tricky.


‘He was always scheming. We worked in pairs, not so much because Jonty was violent, but because he was highly manipulative and could easily manipulate a lone carer.’

The team of carers, who all worked for a private care firm that was contracted by Hammersmith and Fulham Council to look after Bravery, helped him with his domestic routine and taking his medication. If Bravery wanted to go out, there would be a ‘risk assessment’ and they would usually accompany him.

Bravery was articulate and intelligent, but ‘played dumb’ when it suited him. He had researched his own conditions online and deliberately exhibited the worst symptoms. Olly said: ‘He knew how to use autism, in terms of making it work for him.

‘Jonty had about four key aims. He wanted to get out of the house, access to the internet, access to his parents, access to females. I wouldn’t say it was a fascination, but he really liked women, especially when he was out, and you had to be very vigilant of what he might say or do around women. Everything was geared towards his aims and he would try to remove anything which caused a problem with achieving them.

‘His mindset was: you guys are in my way, so how am I going to get you out of my way? Cause you hell.’

Olly added: ‘He wasn’t unpredictable – he knew exactly what he was doing. He wanted you to quit, and then he would start again with your replacement.’

The carers had to ban Bravery from the internet after he used his iPad to try to stalk the family he no longer lived with. He had made it his ‘number one priority’ to get out of care and back to them.

Bravery’s techniques for manipulating his carers ranged from leaving ‘dirty protests’ around the flat, to wreaking havoc. A neighbour of the property in west London recalled how he would throw things out of his window and was often seen running naked around the estate after he had shaken off his carers.

He said: ‘I know he needs to have them with him at all times because he could hurt someone. He’s often managed to get away from them and I have seen him completely without his clothes running around the garden on many occasions.’

Another neighbour said that in the same week as the Tate incident, Bravery had kicked a hole in the door of his flat. ‘I heard him screaming, fighting with a carer. He was in a real rage,’ she said.

The teenager who threw a six-year-old off the top of the Tate Modern had revealed his murderous plan months earlier.

Yet astonishingly Jonty Bravery, who was in council care, was still allowed to visit the gallery alone.

The Mail has obtained a shocking recording of the autistic teenager vowing to ‘push somebody off’ a tall building – almost a year before Bravery hurled the French boy from the London landmark’s 100ft viewing balcony, nearly killing him.

Care workers – one of whom claims he alerted a senior colleague – were so alarmed by what Bravery was saying that they taped him as he calmly explained: ‘I’ve got it in my head, a way to kill somebody... and I know for a fact they’ll die from falling from the hundred feet.’ A Mail investigation into last summer’s horrific incident at Tate Modern reveals:

  • Bravery said he would kill so he could go to prison and get out of council care;
  • At the time of the attack, he was on bail after a previous arrest on suspicion of multiple assaults;
  • Stockily-built Bravery’s carers were instructed to ‘never say no him’;
  • One of them claims: ‘This was a tragedy waiting to happen.’
On August 4 last year, Bravery horrified tourists on the Tate tower’s viewing platform by suddenly lifting up the French boy, on summer holiday with his parents, and throwing him over a chest-high barrier. The boy’s mother gave a ‘primal scream’ as her son plunged 100ft.

The youngster was airlifted to hospital in a critical condition with fractures to his spine, legs and arms and a bleed on the brain. He remains in hospital, severely disabled.

In December, Bravery, 18, pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey to attempted murder.

Now, ahead of his sentencing hearing, the Mail in conjunction with BBC News has obtained a spine-chilling audio recording of Bravery outlining his plan to throw someone from a tall building.

Recorded by his carers in autumn 2018, Bravery calmly explains the plot taking shape in his disturbed mind, to go on a visit to central London ‘as if we’re having a normal day’ and ‘visit some of the landmarks’. He said: ‘It could be the Shard, it could be anything... as long as it’s a high thing. And we could go up and visit it, and then push one of... push somebody off it.’


He told his carers he was determined to kill someone because ‘I know for a fact, I’m going to go to prison, if I do that’.

Bravery, who was 17 at the time of the attempted murder, claimed being in prison would be better than being in council care.

The teenager, who has autism, an obsessive compulsive disorder, and a personality disorder, was a challenge for his family and had been moved into council care in 2017.


Hammersmith and Fulham council in London had responsibility for him, and it subcontracted the work to an experienced private care provider named Spencer and Arlington. Bravery lived in a flat provided by the council in Northolt, west London, where a team of up to six Spencer and Arlington carers, working in pairs, looked after him day and night.

In autumn 2018, Bravery admitted to one of his carers that he wanted to throw someone from a tall building. Concerned, the carer asked him to repeat it in front of a second carer, and that is when they recorded his confession.

Although neither of them was working with Bravery on August 4, 2019, they claimed he was allowed out that day entirely on his own to visit the Tate Modern, which has a ten-storey-high observation deck with open views over central London.

An independent serious case review has now been set up to find out exactly what went wrong.

Of the carers, who was interviewed by the Mail, says he alerted a more senior colleague to Bravery’s horrendous ‘tall building’ plot. He also claims to have played the shocking recording to someone else involved in Bravery’s care. They both deny this. Spencer and Arlington said in a statement that it had ‘no knowledge and no records’ of the claims being made.

The firm said: ‘We will continue to co-operate openly and with complete transparency with the serious case review and await its conclusions. We are confident the full facts will emerge from this process. We believe we have acted entirely properly in managing and reporting the provision of care for Jonty Bravery. However, with regards to the entirely speculative claim put to us that Jonty may have told carers of his plans, there is absolutely no evidence of this and nor is there any mention of this recorded in any care plan, case report or review from managers or from his carers, psychologists, or health workers reporting to us.’

It added it had nonetheless recognised ‘the gravity’ of the Mail’s claims and had reported them to the care watchdog and the serious case review.

Hammersmith and Fulham council said: ‘Our sympathies go out to the child and his family following what happened at Tate Modern.

‘An independent serious case review is now under way. It will look at what happened and the role played by all the different agencies involved.’

'I've got it in my head… a way to kill somebody': Chilling audio reveals the moment Tate pusher Jonty Bravery told carers he wanted to throw someone to their deaths from a high London landmark

A chilling recording of the autistic teenager who threw a six-year-old boy from the top of the Tate Modern reveals he told carers he wanted to do it almost a year before the tragedy.

Jonty Bravery, 18, shoved the French schoolboy off the museum's viewing gallery as horrified tourists watched on August 4 last year.

The youngster fell 100ft and was airlifted to hospital with a bleed on the brain and breaks to his spine, legs and arms. He is still in hospital, severely disabled.


But a shocking new audio clip reveals he told carers he wanted to push someone off a high landmark in central so he could escape care and go to prison instead.

He tells social workers: 'If I could do it right now, I would. I've got it in my head, a way to, a way to kill somebody.'

Asked why he was prepared to commit murder to get out of council care, he said it was because his iPad had been confiscated.

Recorded by his carers in autumn 2018, Bravery calmly explains the plot taking shape in his mind, to go on a visit to central London 'as if we're having a normal day' and 'visit some of the landmarks'.

He said: 'It could be the Shard, it could be anything... as long as it's a high thing. And we could go up and visit it, and then push one of... push somebody off it.'

Bravery told his carers he was determined to kill someone because 'I know for a fact, I'm going to go to prison, if I do that'.

He added: 'I've got it in my head, I have to, I have to kill somebody to go to prison, to be away from here…I just need to tell you….In the next few months – it has to be, the latest has to be by February, in my head, yeah - but ideally I want to do it before.'

The carer asks him: 'Has there been anything in particular that triggered this off?

The boy replies: 'Moving back here and my iPad going, yeah.'

The carer then asks: 'So if you were to get an iPad, for example, that would basically cancel everything,' to which Bravery replies: 'Yes!'

Bravery pleaded guilty to attempted murder at the Old Bailey in December and is awaiting sentencing.

Hammersmith and Fulham council in London had responsibility for Bravery, and it subcontracted the work to an experienced private care provider named Spencer and Arlington.

Bravery lived in a flat provided by the council in Northolt, west London, where a team of up to six Spencer and Arlington carers, working in pairs, looked after him day and night.

In autumn 2018, Bravery admitted to one of his carers that he wanted to throw someone from a tall building. Concerned, the carer asked him to repeat it in front of a second carer, and that is when they recorded his confession.

Although neither of them was working with Bravery on August 4, 2019, they claimed he was allowed out that day entirely on his own to visit the Tate Modern, which has a ten-storey-high observation deck with open views over central London.

An independent serious case review has now been set up to find out exactly what went wrong.


WARPED PLOT TO GET IPAD BACK

Bravery’s murder plot was partly a warped bid to get his confiscated iPad back.

He shocked carers by warning he would throw someone off a tall building – then suggested he would abandon the plan if they gave him back his gadget.

Bravery is autistic and was in council care. In his mind, the threat to kill someone was seemingly just part of a petty negotiation to get back the iPad, which his carers had been forced to take from him, and to escape the care system.

Carers recorded Bravery talking about the plot. When one of them asked what triggered it, Bravery answered: ‘Moving back here [into his care flat] and my iPad going.’ The carer asks: ‘So if you were to get an iPad, for example, that would basically cancel everything…?’ The teenager shoots back: ‘Yes!’

On December 6, he appeared with a scraggy beard at the Old Bailey via video link to plead guilty to attempted murder.

He is being held at Broadmoor high-security hospital and will be sentenced on February 17 after psychiatric reports.
 
Sounds a hell of a lot like it would have been better if he'd died
The act committed by this individual against our son is unspeakable.

Words cannot express the horror and the fear that his actions have brought upon us and our son. How can one explain to a child that someone deliberately tried to kill him?

How can he now ever trust mankind? How can he not see in every stranger a potential 'villain' who could cause him immense pain and suffering? Months of pain, fear and physiotherapy, hours and days spent without talking, without moving and without eating, away from his home, away from his friends and away from his family...

Questions about his future and his health remain unanswered, as well as these questions: 'Will I be able to walk again?', 'When are we going home?', 'Will I go back to school, see my friends again?'

What has our life become since the attempted murder of our six-year-old son? After going through the fear of losing him, and being unable to comprehend this gratuitous and senseless act, we are now faced with numerous psychological and material problems.

Our life is in ruins. Since the day of the attack, we have not left our son's side, following him to all the various hospitals where he has been treated. We spend our days in hospital with our son. Either one of us, or his grandmother, spends the night with him in his room on a camp bed or even a chair.

He is still in a wheelchair today, wears splints on his left arm and both of his legs, and spends his days in a corset moulded to his waist, sat in his wheelchair. He is in permanent restraint…

The nights are always extremely difficult, his sleep is very agitated, he is in pain, he wakes up many times and he cries. We have been so scared of losing him that now it is physically impossible for us to be apart from him more than a few hours, and only when we know a family member is with him…

He said to a psychiatric nurse who asked him about it that he would like to 'slap' the man who did this to him. We are extremely worried about the future. From what the doctors said, he has many years of physiotherapy ahead of him, and we have no prospects or plans for the future other than being by his side.

Our son is alive. He is fighting. And that's all that matters to us. What happened on the roof of the Tate Modern that day is unforgivable.
Source https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...00ft-Tate-Modern-balcony-jailed-15-years.html

Well at least his parents aren't going down the bullshit "It was an unfortunate incident and we forgive the attacker" route like is many do when they're asked at sentencing.

Now they need to sue the fuck out of the parents, the council, social services and anyone else who should have been doing their fucking job that day. It is not going to be cheap to adapt the house, get the best care etc for their child. Plus the morons who failed to do their job should get a good slapping too.
 
Well at least his parents aren't going down the bullshit "It was an unfortunate incident and we forgive the attacker" route like is many do when they're asked at sentencing.

Now they need to sue the fuck out of the parents, the council, social services and anyone else who should have been doing their fucking job that day. It is not going to be cheap to adapt the house, get the best care etc for their child. Plus the morons who failed to do their job should get a good slapping too.

They should, but it won't change anything. There will be a shame-faced "lessons must be learned" statement from the Caaahhhhncil and probably a cash settlement somewhere down the line, and possibly the head of Social Services will resign but lessons won't be learnt (see Victoria Climbié), and the British public sector is exactly the sort of environment where failing upwards is possible. Daily reminder that Marietta "Anal Wink" Higgs, after being thoroughly discredited in the aftermath of the Satanic ritual abuse hoax, continued working in social services until 2007 and then said that in her view she did nothing wrong and would have done it all again.
 
I think it's disingenuous to call this guy an autist; he's not retarded, he knows what he's doing, he's a straight up psychopath. I mean when I think of autist I think of people who are a bit socially off or have trouble communicating verbally at all; not doing shit like throwing kids out of windows!
I have an Ass Burgers and ADD diagnosis (which puts me on the Spectrum and gives me permission to tell autist jokes), but there's a difference between "please be patient with me, I need time and space to process shit", and using it as a get-out-of-jail-free card. I hate asking for special treatment from my Spergs because it makes me feel like a dysfunctional retard. I want to be normal and seen as normal, and if there's anything I can't stand, it's making excuses for myself.

So I agree. Hiding behind your "diagnosis" is really just a sign that you're a self-centered piece of shit or a sociopath.
 
A fellow potato posted on Reddit


So I know Jonty from primary school at Queens Manor. I was 2 years below him and I'm In year 11 now. I made a just to Reddit say what the media isn't. Jonty has special needs and autism. He is a middle-class boy and has a very hard working single father who tried his hardest to look after Jonty as best as he could. During break time, he hung around on his own always counting and linking things together. He had this crush on my best friend and always asked her to love him back and we played along knowing he had special needs. He tried his best to remember birthdays and names when he was younger. This was when his autism was mild. His autism got worse as his dad found it tough to look after him and he was sent away alone. He was neglected. I don't like ho people are making death threats as it's not 100% fair on him. He is at a point where he doesn't know right from wrong. There was no motive as he doesn't know right from wrong and finds it hard to control his feelings. I'm not justifying his actions because this is not a reason to throw a child off a building but can we please consider these things before we want to suggest posting insults out into the world. You don't know the full story and you are not entitled to voice insults when the media isn't giving full coverage to things like this.

[Queens Manor is a special needs school]

I'm not sure how and when his mother abandoned him, but it does seem like his father looked after him, but eventually he grew up to mega tard strength and needed multiple full-time tard wranglers. It doesn't seem like that is necessarily something a 'middle class' parent could afford by himself.

Spending the rest of your life looking after a mega-tard isn't that appealing, but as a single parent how could you even do it? You can't earn money and tard-wrangle simultaneously.
 
They should, but it won't change anything. There will be a shame-faced "lessons must be learned" statement from the Caaahhhhncil and probably a cash settlement somewhere down the line, and possibly the head of Social Services will resign but lessons won't be learnt (see Victoria Climbié), and the British public sector is exactly the sort of environment where failing upwards is possible.

Yeah, the entire system sucks but we can hope one day someone will wake up and brutally take a knife to the public sector but then everyone's nose is in the through at this point.

I could write a doctoral thesis (and probably hit the word limit) on just my experience of the failings of my local social services. Inept would be a compliment. One such example would be waiting til 4.55 on a Friday afternoon to report someone they were supposed to be caring for missing because they haven't seen them in 3 days because now it's the police's job and if they turn up dead it's because the police didn't do enough. Every. Single. Friday. If you were on the Friday evening shift you would be getting multiple "missing" people who social services reported.
 
Yeah, the entire system sucks but we can hope one day someone will wake up and brutally take a knife to the public sector but then everyone's nose is in the through at this point.

I could write a doctoral thesis (and probably hit the word limit) on just my experience of the failings of my local social services. Inept would be a compliment. One such example would be waiting til 4.55 on a Friday afternoon to report someone they were supposed to be caring for missing because they haven't seen them in 3 days because now it's the police's job and if they turn up dead it's because the police didn't do enough. Every. Single. Friday. If you were on the Friday evening shift you would be getting multiple "missing" people who social services reported.

Ugh. Lemme guess. They decided to do that because while they have a duty of care to their offspring, they also can't set rules or boundaries for the Vulnerable Young Persons in their charge (even though, being vulnerable, they would have far more need for such rules and boundaries than otherwise) because otherwise the turbo-idiots in Supporting People and their ultra-PC masters will cause a fuss.

Winston Smith, in his book Generation F, refers to how they have to go and pick up their offspring from anywhere and everywhere because of that duty of care but can't stop them from buggering off to fuck knows where in the first place.

Or, they didn't want to report it beforehand because then it makes them look bad for their next Department of Health and Social Care audit to have too many kids running off. When I was in legal aid, Caaaaaahhhhhncils would bend over backwards to reclassify homeless people as not homeless because otherwise it looks bad in their figures and they get shouted at for Not Doing Enough.
 
Lemme guess. They decided to do that because while they have a duty of care to their offspring, they also can't set rules or boundaries for the Vulnerable Young Persons in their charge (even though, being vulnerable, they would have far more need for such rules and boundaries than otherwise) because otherwise the turbo-idiots in Supporting People and their ultra-PC masters will cause a fuss.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Every single one I spoke to had the same line about it not being their fault, they've had tough pasts and need to be coddled.
 
15 years. Sounds a lot, right?

But he's officially a sped. So that doesn't mean he ends up in a proper pound-you-in-the-arse high security nick like Whitemoor or Shotts or Frankland, but probably Broadmoor or some other secure unit where he will continue to be treated with kid gloves by staff because his well off parents are just itching to use him as a way to file lolsuits against the prisons service and coin it in given their previous conduct while in supported accommodation.

Also, normally you spend 1/2 of the sentence on licence because bong prisons are massively overcrowded.

And then there's time off for good behaviour and this chappie is clearly manipulative enough to work the system for that.

And then there's time already served, about a year and a bit.

So... yeah, he'll be out by 2028, you mark my words.

Frankly they should have given life with only the possibility of parole after 20+ years inside. A couple decades in the Monster Mansion failing to preserve his anal virginity would change his attitude sufficiently.
No even though he's in Broadmoor now, according to the Guardian that despite the best efforts of various Psychologists he's going to actual prison.

The decision to send Bravery to jail came despite psychiatric experts telling the court he should be detained in a secure hospital.


I think Jonty may have fucked himself by scaring the Judge into believing that he was capable of killing again. UK Judges used to be pretty blase about releasing obvious psychopaths, knowing that no one they knew would ever encounter them.

However there's been a change in public mood and people have been more willing to criticise judges for making out of touch decisions. Hence why the Judge may have felt the need to play it safe.
 
Dude was getting a free apartment in London and free full-time help, all on the taxpayers’ dime. Pretty sure he also got free food and bills paid, though the article doesn’t give an itemized list of his benefits. Homeboy didn’t know how good he had it.

Agree. the 'prison' he wants to go to would be the best fucking wakeup to reality that he will ever need. Having his entire routine laid out for him and punishment if he fails to adhere to it. NONE of the bullshit he used to get his way with careworkers will fly in prison, and he will almost certainly be subjected to a LOT of prisoner discipline along with what the guards and admins lay down for acting like a sped in prison. His entitlement complex will vanish in the wind. If it dosen't, he'll likely end up 'accidentally' dead at the hands of his fellow inmates while the guards will be deliberately elsewhere.

Fuck me I PRAY he gets hard time. Not even the worst autism excuses murder.

The caregivers come in for a big slice of "you fucking idiots completely failed in your duty to protect both this sped from himself, and the public from this sped." as well.
 
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I find his sped friend's pleading not to insult Jonty pathetic. So what he had autism? Autism alone doesn't turn you into a cold-blooded murderer or there would be a lot more of this sort of thing out there. Single parenthood isn;t ideal either but this kid'd dad had money enough - he wasn't on benefits, he's a business owner ffs and Jonty had every opportunity his middle-class parent(s) could wrangle out of the local authority. He just sounds like - as others have said - it's less that he 'doesn't know right from wrong', but like many spoiled and young people with 'behavioral issues', he just doesn't care.

He clearly was a relatively high functioning autist too in some regards, at least from the tape recording he sounds articulate, if thoroughly nasty and self-absorbed, He clearly just has no emotional maturity - in fact he sounds like he has an age appropriate intellect and vebosity but the emotional range and control of a toddler. You know how toddlers act when denied something they want? Rage. Screaming. Tears. Threats. Hatred. Therein lies the problem when you treat a toddler with the respect accorded to adults who have emotional self-control and a sense of personal responsibilty. Doesn't work on people whose only drive is 'Gimme what I want or a break things."

He clearly had no fucks to give about anyone else's rights or emotions or quality of life, being prepared to run around flinging his own poo in his accomodations, He had alredy sexually assaulted a woman, attacked multiple carers, attacked police, and did it all knowing there was very little in the way of real punishment for any of it, because he is a sped, and speds these days are coddled and rewarded with endless accomodations and housing and grants and can lead unproductive lives on everyone else's dime.

Sped Jonty should have been shuffled into secure accomodation in some out of the way care place at age 18, not treated like someone who could ever cope with any semblence of freedom.
 
Just kill him.

Hard to argue with this. You have to wonder what possible purpose someone like this lad could ever have in the world apart from being a perpetual millstone around the neck of whoever gets charged with dealing with him. He's never going to be remotely functional or able to work, or even be trusted around anyone not able to physically restrain him. He seems to derive no joy from any part of life and gives none in return, only pain, What really is the point?
 
Agree. the 'prison' he wants to go to would be the best fucking wakeup to reality that he will ever need. Having his entire routine laid out for him and punishment if he fails to adhere to it. NONE of the bullshit he used to get his way with careworkers will fly in prison, and he will almost certainly be subjected to a LOT of prisoner discipline along with what the guards and admins lay down for acting like a sped in prison. His entitlement complex will vanish in the wind. If it dosen't, he'll likely end up 'accidentally' dead at the hands of his fellow inmates while the guards will be deliberately elsewhere.

Fuck me I PRAY he gets hard time. Not even the worst autism excuses murder.

The caregivers come in for a big slice of "you fucking idiots completely failed in your duty to protect both this sped from himself, and the public from this sped." as well.

He's going to actually be told no now. He should have been told no a long time ago.

I cannot imagine how hard it is to take care of a tard built like a gorilla who threatens to kill people. But he was allowed to get out of control and now a child is disabled for life.

What is the deal with tard strength though? Why do so many of them grow up to look like prehistoric silverbacks? Is it because the brain isnot developing much so the body gets all the nutrients? Is it a side effect of whatever syndrome they have?
 
I find his sped friend's pleading not to insult Jonty pathetic.

I find it disgusting and infuriating. He actually wasn't pleading, he said people didn't have the right to insult this subhuman piece of shit. This is the kind of shit why people hate entitled autists.

Sped Jonty should have been shuffled into secure accomodation in some out of the way care place at age 18, not treated like someone who could ever cope with any semblence of freedom.

He should have been given any behavioral treatment and discipline he needed well before the age of 18 instead of coddled and allowed to learn, during his formative period, that he could just do whatever the fuck he wanted at all times. It would have been better to do that then than let him grow out of the only time he could have been helped to be anything other than a worthless monster who would be better off dead.
 
He's going to actually be told no now. He should have been told no a long time ago.

I cannot imagine how hard it is to take care of a tard built like a gorilla who threatens to kill people. But he was allowed to get out of control and now a child is disabled for life.

What is the deal with tard strength though? Why do so many of them grow up to look like prehistoric silverbacks? Is it because the brain isnot developing much so the body gets all the nutrients? Is it a side effect of whatever syndrome they have?
The ones that aren't gorilla monsters can be controlled so they aren't out tossing children to their death.
 
Oh christ, the stories I can tell about social work and their efforts or “efforts” to be responsible for kids under 16. It took a number of years, but finally I just could not accept a work culture that is so utterly callous towards those it is responsible for.

There was a boy that appeared on my caseload. Eight years old. The police wanted him in secure accommodation (yes, this is the lockup for kids, yes there are kids who desperately need it) because he was such a danger to himself. The cops brought him up with me because social work had been stonewalling them for six months. Social work had never breathed a word to me about this lad, so I wanted to know what the deal was.

This child, this tiny little person, was prostituting himself for food to adult males at a bus station because his parents didn’t feed him. It rips me up inside even now to think about this kid.

Social work had removed him to a group home but refused to provide secure because “other kids need it more”. He walked out of the home almost every night because this was how he lived now, this is what he knew.

There was a stand up fight in a conference room. I won. The child went to secure, because in my words “this kid is going to end up dead in a bin somewhere, and I swear to god, I will resign and I will take a full copy of this child's file and hand it personally to the press and I will tell them, they better put your fucking name and picture on the front page that day, because you are responsible for this child‘s death”

And some time after that, I went off to do something else with my life because you cannot be the only person shoving the rock up the mountain.
 
I find it disgusting and infuriating. He actually wasn't pleading, he said people didn't have the right to insult this subhuman piece of shit. This is the kind of shit why people hate entitled autists.

Yeah, but it was a fellow sped school inmate talking so we can't expect high quality thought. Also, reddit. Have you seen some of the other 'poor Jonty' type comments in that thread. 'He was protesting against his lack of mental health help' .... excuses, excuses. Basically some of them think he can't be blamed, the poor dear. I can't believe he had no mental health evaluation or treatment given his background btw, or at least the opportunity of it. Maybe daddy didn't want him on meds? Maybe meds or therapy didn't work because you can't drugor talk anyone out of a personality disorder and you cannot make a patient comply with therapy if they don't want it or simply cannot understand why they may need it. People seem to think every lunatic is treatable, when they're not


He should have been given any behavioral treatment and discipline he needed well before the age of 18 instead of coddled and allowed to learn, during his formative period, that he could just do whatever the fuck he wanted at all times. It would have been better to do that then than let him grow out of the only time he could have been helped to be anything other than a worthless monster who would be better off dead.

Oh, I agree, but apparently disclipline is a dirty word in this sector and their 'advocates'. Tread on eggshells around any child and you will produce something unpleasant as they grow. Tread around eggshells on these individuals with 'complex needs' (phrase used by someone who encountered Jonty in the system) who is prone to aggression and maipulation, backed up by a parent who always takes their side and you get a monster. Anyone with a basic ability to understand how human beings work gets this, except those charged with actually dealing with them who seemingly prefer flights of fancy.

I do wonder how much his family background fed into his unpleasant, entitled, aggressive demeanour, but expect we won't find out. His dad used to be on twitter berating ministers for his son's issues. Parents like that will never be honest about their own failings.
 
People seem to think every lunatic is treatable, when they're not

Every indication from the news stories is this piece of shit was just allowed to do whatever the fuck he wanted at all times. There's no indication whatsoever they did anything, at all, to stop his behavior or even try to.

I do wonder how much his family background fed into his unpleasant, entitled, aggressive demeanour, but expect we won't find out. His dad used to be on twitter berating ministers for his son's issues. Parents like that will never be honest about their own failings.

If you produce a sped like this you should be sterilized.
 
His first meltdown in prison will be a sight to behold. He’s either gotten get beaten half to death by some overzealous agency hires or a few lads are gonna be filling socks with soap.
 
A whole lot of words and explanations to say this dude was a total and complete piece of shit.


He planned the murder out, stated his intent, carried it out, and did it all to get out of Counsel housing. Guy may be “disturbed” but he knew exactly what the fuck he was going to do and ensured he picked someone small enough he could pick up and carry (while possibly fighting off others) and that couldn’t fight him off.

I hate ppl like this. “Mentally disturbed” and “piece of shitaren’t mutually exclusive.
Agreed. one of my favorite Robert B Parker quotes is “if you call any crime of sufficient enormity ‘insane’ or ‘deranged’ then you are stating that no one can be held accountable for them, because no one in their right mind could do that. Sometimes you just have to say that someone is pure evil.
 
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