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That's the key, "most". Not all.

Before transgender became transtrender and therapists risked being mobbed for not caving in to every Tom, Dick and Harry with an undercut and a v-neck shirt and telling them that they're actually girls on the inside, gender dysphoria was an actual specified mental condition that some people -- very few people -- were diagnosed as having.

Like most mental conditions is has no known cure and all treatment is for symptoms rather than the cause. Counseling and therapy were the first line of treatment, and if nothing worked transitioning was the last line of treatment. And by "last" I mean last. Transition was meant to be the hail mary pass to prevent the person from commiting suicide within six months. And even then, it sometimes failed. Sometimes it succeeded, but in those cases you wouldn't know about it because the person would essentially stop being transgender and adopt the same mannerisms, look and habits of the general population. They wouldn't be noticed.

Just because the LGBT movement suddenly became a haven for pervs, predators and autists who were groomed into joining a body-modification cult ran by SJWs, doesn't mean that the people who would formerly be diagnosed with gender dysphoria stopped existing. They're still there, they're usually too embarrassed by the highly visible idiots on twitter to speak up, and even if they weren't they'd rather not out themselves as transgender. After all, the point is to blend in, not to stand out.

So yeah, most transgender folks on twitter? Total troons. How do you know? They put up they're transgender/NB/Apache Attack Helicopter right on their profile description. They're lolcows and they deserve mockery for doing what SJWs always do: appropriating a problem for themselves and hiding behind it like it gives them power. But some people out there, very few people, are genuinely diagnosed and treated as transgender. Usually by older therapists who somehow haven't fallen before social pressure and did their due diligence with it. Those people are sick and not bothering anyone else. We have much easier targets to mock than them.

Namely, the troons complaining that they can't get laid or posting Craigslist "come suk my beautiful girl dicc" ads on Twitter.
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the thing is, how do you tell an actual dysphoric from a larping trender? you can't, because diagnosing something like dysphoria relies 100% on what the patient tells you. you can't know if they're lying or not.

as long as society tolerates (and even encourages) the fetishists and trenders, there is incentive for people to lie about this stuff, which in turn makes accurate diagnosis of dysphoria impossible.
the solution for this situation is to remove all that tolerance and encouragement. by making being trans unbearable, all these incentives to lie are removed, and the only ones who still claim trans are the ones who really are compelled to do so by genuine dysphoria. no more liars, no more trenders, no more fetishists. and THEN, once the bulk of troons are gone, then you can actually start talking about taking measures to accomodate and treat those few genuine dysphorics.
 
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the thing is, how do you tell an actual dysphoric from a larping trender? you can't, because diagnosing something like dysphoria relies 100% on what the patient tells you. you can't know if they're lying or not.

as long as society tolerates (and even encourages) the fetishists and trenders, there is incentive for people to lie about this stuff, which in turn makes accurate diagnosis of dysphoria impossible.
the solution for this situation is to remove all that tolerance and encouragement. by making being trans unbearable, all these incentives to lie are removed, and the only ones who still claim trans are the ones who really are compelled to do so by genuine dysphoria. no more liars, no more trenders, no more fetishists. and THEN, once the bulk of troons are gone, then you can actually start talking about taking measures to accomodate and treat those few genuine dysphorics.
I get the idea, unfortunately that's never going to fly.

Refusing medical treatment to everybody, including those that require it, just to weed out the fakes is completely unethical. It's not happening.

What is going to happen, however, is that eventually there will be academic and medical pushback against transtrenders and enforcement of more stringent standards. And the trend, like most other trends, will pass. You already see how it happens today: a lot of people who end up identifying themselves as transgender and eventually just fade from the internet do so because they abandoned their transgender online identity and went back to present themselves as cisgender under new accounts. Hell, a lot of them are going to be here, in this very thread!

Being trans now is like being a hippy in the 60s. Give it 30 years or so and you'll see a lot of 50-year olds telling stories of how they were transgender "back in the 20s". Same deal, including the societal fuckups and the long-term health issues. Ever seen a boomer having an acid flashback? I have. It sometimes happens when they're trying to lose weight and it's funny as hell. Only in the case of troons for some of them their dicks just don't work.

Or won't be there at all.
 
I suggest you don't use the rational wiki as a source. It's run by a bunch of smug athiests from what I've heard.
Take a look at the page. It was written by seething trannies who hate Blaire. It's actually a pretty amusing read if you enjoy watching people chimp out. They think what they wrote makes Blaire look bad but I think it's the opposite.

Every claim is sourced, so the page seems pretty trustworthy.

Yeah, if someone says that having a penis makes them feel bad we should let them chop it off. Just like if someone says being average weight makes them feel bad so we should let them starve themselves, or if having an arm makes them feel bad we should let them amputate it.
If anything, this thread is an arguement for why transitioning is a terrible treatment for dysphoria. There are countless cases of people being more miserable after transitioning or continuing to be dissatisfied, and a lot of the "gender euphoria" people experience from transitioning seems to be fetishistic at best.
Trannies need therapy, not hormones. Real therapy, not just a yes-man telling them if they like dresses they must really be a girl on the inside. Just look at people like Remillia, who killed himself after realizing he'd never be able to be a real woman despite all the surgery or hormones he got. Or all the female detransitioners who had gender dysphoria induced by their social groups, or by internalized misogyny/homophobia.
I think there's not enough gatekeeping. Transitioning should be a last resort for people who are suicidal and have tried other things first, not something anyone can do for shits and giggles. The fact that teenagers can get HRT and sometimes even SRS is evidence there's something fundamentally wrong with the way things are being handled right now.
 
Take a look at the page. It was written by seething trannies who hate Blaire. It's actually a pretty amusing read if you enjoy watching people chimp out. They think what they wrote makes Blaire look bad but I think it's the opposite.

Every claim is sourced, so the page seems pretty trustworthy.


I think there's not enough gatekeeping. Transitioning should be a last resort for people who are suicidal and have tried other things first, not something anyone can do for shits and giggles. The fact that teenagers can get HRT and sometimes even SRS is evidence there's something fundamentally wrong with the way things are being handled right now.
Doctors really hate sterilizing young people, because they know there’s a high potential for regret, and they don’t want to get sued. So why are they willing to do SRS on teens?
 
Doctors really hate sterilizing young people, because they know there’s a high potential for regret, and they don’t want to get sued. So why are they willing to do SRS on teens?
Because the doctors willing to do it are a niche that trannies go out of their way to find and even fly to other countries to have the procedures done. They get hormones from grey market horse piss selling sites and from "informed consent" clinics meant to supply to troons.
 
Because the doctors willing to do it are a niche that trannies go out of their way to find and even fly to other countries to have the procedures done. They get hormones from grey market horse piss selling sites and from "informed consent" clinics meant to supply to troons.
Yep. It's actually a source of lots of complaints by trans people on twitter, how hard it is to get referrals and hormonal therapy prescribed. You end up having a lot of doctor-shopping, with people recommending doctors and clinics that gave them what they wanted (some actually move to different states to be closer to "informed consent" clinits).

The actual surgery is very difficult to get, and it usually requires either a lot of waiting (via the NHS in the UK, for example), or a lot of (possibly Patreon- or family-donated) money to get.
 
Because the doctors willing to do it are a niche that trannies go out of their way to find and even fly to other countries to have the procedures done. They get hormones from grey market horse piss selling sites and from "informed consent" clinics meant to supply to troons.


Here are 30 pages filled with surgeons who work on transgender surgery:


And that's just in the USA
 
Does Knox have a thread of her own?

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I think she also tried to troon out the youngest as well at some point.
 

Here we have a very old school Britbong game show, with a very serious air and no gimmicks ... but any chance of taking it seriously is dashed by a ridiculous unpassing tranny who looks exactly like Kevin Gibes
 
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Alot of those "psychiatrists" are using studies from John Money who's some pedo who "pioneered" that tranny looney in the first place
What i don't understand is why people keep referring to John Money, a man who was responsible with the mutilation and molestation of a young boy and led ultimately to his depression, failed marriage, failed life, his brother killing himself due to the childhood trauma and with him dead. David Raimer even said in an interview "Will they need someone dead to realize all that is a failure? Will my death make them realize that i was a failure?" months before killing himself. It's terribly sad and unhinged.

And even more horrible, the guy also supported zoophilia and incest.
Because the doctors willing to do it are a niche that trannies go out of their way to find and even fly to other countries to have the procedures done. They get hormones from grey market horse piss selling sites and from "informed consent" clinics meant to supply to troons.
"First world doctor will not comply to my desire of mutilating my body due to my obvious mental illnes. Let me go to a third world country with no regulations and to a shady doctor that will do as i say no questions asked."
No wonder we see so many frankenvaginas. I even remember a few times troons complained that SRS was too dangerous because many people trying to transition died. No shit if they go to Thailand and have their surgery done in the basement of a butcher shop. But i guess now those clinics stepped up their game.
 
the thing is, how do you tell an actual dysphoric from a larping trender? you can't, because diagnosing something like dysphoria relies 100% on what the patient tells you. you can't know if they're lying or not.

as long as society tolerates (and even encourages) the fetishists and trenders, there is incentive for people to lie about this stuff, which in turn makes accurate diagnosis of dysphoria impossible.
We started gawking and laughing at them on Springer, but that just meant more attention. The fetishists saw themselves represented, whether mocked or not, and thus began the downhill slide to from mockery to open celebration. Coupled with the feelings-first anti-"bullying" crusades, kids are not building and maintaining the social mores of the collective anymore. Mockery USED to be the way to align the weirdo to the "norm," and as one who has had to deal with a lot of bullying as most of us who don't read social cues well, it's *effective.* And perfectly normal. Now, I don't condone bullying that's physically leaving bruises or on a child who is truly disabled, but that's how herds and tribes of every species learn how to exist in their particular society for optimal function, health, and reproductive purposes.
And to answer your first question (sorry, spaced out); I would make mandatory 5 years of intense therapy starting at age 16. Weekly for the first year, then monthly or as the psych plan dictates. Make it prohibitive regarding expending time or money.
 
Does Knox have a thread of her own?

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I think she also tried to troon out the youngest as well at some point.
Since the "lesbian" son who spurred her husband's transition recently decided he's non-binary instead of a woman, what happens if daddy follows suit like last time? Will she have to backtrack on her "always a lesbian" narrative if her husband decides he's no longer a woman, lest she commit the mortal sin of invalidation?
 
Since the "lesbian" son who spurred her husband's transition recently decided he's non-binary instead of a woman, what happens if daddy follows suit like last time? Will she have to backtrack on her "always a lesbian" narrative if her husband decides he's no longer a woman, lest she commit the mortal sin of invalidation?
It depends on when this happens. If it's now, then she will screech that her husband was mind raped by evil twansphobes on the net that made him take him back to sanity, if it's a few years later from now, when I hope that this trend ends, she will find another hubby who lives for the future trainwagon . And about their kids, I hope that nothing bad happen to them and finally find her the cheapest retirement home in her twilight years.
In other news, troons gonna troon, with inflation fetish but with a dash of AGP.

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It depends on when this happens. If it's now, then she will screech that her husband was mind raped by evil twansphobes on the net that made him take him back to sanity, if it's a few years later from now, when I hope that this trend ends, she will find another hubby who lives for the future trainwagon . And about their kids, I hope that nothing bad happen to them and finally find her the cheapest retirement home in her twilight years.
In other news, troons gonna troon, with inflation fetish but with a dash of AGP.
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National horny day? Jesus, it feels like every day is another transgender day of visibility.
 
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Here we have a very old school Britbong game show, with a very serious air and no gimmicks ... but any chance of taking it seriously is dashed by a ridiculous unpassing tranny who looks exactly like Kevin Gibes

Good christ he’s enormous— even compared to the two other dudes:
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Does Knox have a thread of her own?

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That kid on the end isn’t one of the Knox clan. Not sure who they are. Here are the three Knox boys and the adopted pink-haired daughter. Check out the ladylike, spread-legged crotch shot of “Alexis” on the end:

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Amanda claims her youngest son Jackson has always been a boy even when taking up more feminine traits like painted nails:
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Which begs the question, if Jackson has “always been a boy” what would Amanda say if he troons out? What makes Jackson so certain in a way Alex, the MTF, was not?

When Alex came out, he insisted he identified “entirely as female” at age 11, and Amanda confidently states that for her eleven year old son, this was most likely not a phase.

Flashforward to 2020 where 17 yo Alex is no longer “entirely a female” but “non-binary” and “trans feminine” who “doesn’t fall all the way to female”:

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Speaking of Alex, he had many mental health struggles prior to transitioning, which his mom has loving cataloged on her blog.

He would have raging tantrums, “hurricane mood swings”, and serious severe anxiety and depression at age 8 to the point he would refused to leave his bed every morning. He finally gets put on mood meds, but plateaued after a few months.

Amanda writes of being resentful that Alex takes up everyone’s time and energy with his fits and needs, to the point she and hubby were considering divorce and she admits she probably shouldn’t have kept spawning which she did inspite of her infertility issues.

As for the marriage, this essay “The Secret to Our Long-Lasting Marriage (hint: duct tape” is equal parts hilarious and illuminating in hindsight. An alcoholic by age 14, at 16 high school drop-out Amanda was kicked out of her parents’ place and living in a treatment program when she met her husband, a poor college student. They shacked up a month later which meant losing her berth in the treatment program.

The essay in part is about the director of the program attempting to tell a 16 yo Amanda that she was making a big mistake and Knox wanting to find said director and shove her wedding ring in her face as a gotcha two decades later.

And finally for the LOLs. The MTF was well into preschool and still on the teat. Maybe that explains it.

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not gonna happen, there's no "treatment" for gender dysphoria besides transitioning, that's the best the psychiatric community was able to decide on even in the 70s before homosexuality was taken out of the DSM

"manning up" clearly isn't something that's going to happen
Does the same apply to transracial people and people with BID who want their healthy legs removed? Being unhappy with your body is more common than trannies would like to admit.

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Most people learn to deal with their perceived flaws or get therapy if the emotional pain is too intense. Tranners should probably be encouraged to try to deal with it too before jumping straight to the conclusion that transitioning is the only thing that can help them.
 
Does the same apply to transracial people and people with BID who want their healthy legs removed? Being unhappy with your body is more common than trannies would like to admit.

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Most people learn to deal with it. Tranners should probably be encouraged to try to deal with it too before jumping straight to the conclusion that transitioning is the only thing that can help them.
It's psychiatrically a bit different from all of that. I personally have no problem with "transracial" people since race is usually a synonym for an ethnos, which is a cultural thing anyway. Unless you're ghetto black sissy or whatever or the moslem wannabe who wants to be force-fed alcohol and pork by zir domme.
 
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