🐱 Tech Platforms Aren’t Bound by First Amendment

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A federal appeals court in California on Wednesday ruled that privately operated internet platforms are free to censor content they don’t like.
Though not unexpected, the unanimous decision by the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco marks the most emphatic rejection of the argument advanced in some conservative circles that YouTube, Twitter, Facebook and other giant tech platforms are bound by the First Amendment.
The case concerned a YouTube channel operated by Prager University, a nonprofit founded by talk-radio host Dennis Prager that produces short explainer videos promoting conservative ideas. In 2017, PragerU sued YouTube and its parent, Alphabet Inc.’s Google, after YouTube flagged dozens of its videos as “inappropriate,” stripping the clips of advertising and making them less accessible to students, library users and children.
PragerU contended there was nothing offensive about the restricted clips—with such titles as “Why Isn’t Communism as Hated as Nazism?,” “Why Did America Fight the Korean War?” and “Are 1 in 5 Women Raped at College?”—and that it was a victim of viewpoint discrimination in violation of the First Amendment.
It argued that YouTube has essentially turned itself into the operator of a giant public square, a government-like role it says warrants more legal scrutiny of the platform’s content moderation. PragerU brought a similar lawsuit in California state court.

“Obviously, we are disappointed,” said PragerU attorney Peter Obstler. “We will continue to pursue PragerU’s claims of overt discrimination on YouTube in the state court case under California’s heightened antidiscrimination, free-speech and consumer-contract law.”
Google, echoing the wider tech industry, argued that allowing PragerU to pursue a constitutional claim would have “disastrous consequences” for the First Amendment and online discourse.
The feud is part of a wider debate around speech rights in the digital age, where a few giant tech firms own and police the country’s core mediums of communication.
No court has endorsed PragerU’s legal argument. As a general rule, the First Amendment’s speech protections put constraints on government, not the private sector. Exceptions are rare. In one such case, the Supreme Court in 1946 ruled that a Jehovah’s Witness had the right to hand out pamphlets on a sidewalk that was the property of a shipbuilding firm, in an Alabama suburb.

The Ninth Circuit was emphatic: This case was no exception.
“Despite YouTube’s ubiquity and its role as a public-facing platform, it remains a private forum, not a public forum subject to judicial scrutiny under the First Amendment,” wrote Circuit Judge M. Margaret McKeown for the three-judge panel, affirming an earlier lower-court ruling.
Circuit Judge McKeown also stated that YouTube’s “braggadocio about its commitment to free speech” doesn’t expose it to a federal false-advertising claim.
“Google’s products are not politically biased,” Farshad Shadloo, a YouTube spokesperson, said in a statement Wednesday. “PragerU’s allegations were meritless, both factually and legally, and the court’s ruling vindicates important legal principles that allow us to provide different choices and settings to users.”
 
“Google’s products are not politically biased,” Farshad Shadloo, a YouTube spokesperson

Thanks Mr. Toilet

This will probably keep happening until someone sledgehammers article 230.
 
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Should have gone with how google is literally an extension of the federal government due to their work with them and the obvious national security letter they’ve received.
 
With this out of the way, now Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Reddit, and the rest of the (((privately owned))) websites can do some serious powerwashing on anything even hinting at being to the right of Karl Marx.

Everything.

You thought the purges of the past were bad? My dear child, how naïve you are. Buckle up for some real shit where not only are you Jones'd from absolutely everything, but the police is involved with a warrent for your arrest, british style. It's happening; It's right outside your door and the doors wide open.
 
With this out of the way, now Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Reddit, and the rest of the (((privately owned))) websites can do some serious powerwashing on anything even hinting at being to the right of Karl Marx.

Everything.

You thought the purges of the past were bad? My dear child, how naïve you are. Buckle up for some real shit where not only are you Jones'd from absolutely everything, but the police is involved with a warrent for your arrest, british style. It's happening; It's right outside your door and the doors wide open.
Oh just wait till the fun begins when trump destroys section 230 and everyone is getting sued for mean words
 
Pretty sure these tech monopolies will claim to be private companies untill they get in deep shit for hosting content like kiddie porn or terrorist propoganda and then they'll claim to be public forums and aren't responsible for the content they host.
 
With this out of the way, now Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Reddit, and the rest of the (((privately owned))) websites can do some serious powerwashing on anything even hinting at being to the right of Karl Marx.

Everything.

You thought the purges of the past were bad? My dear child, how naïve you are. Buckle up for some real shit where not only are you Jones'd from absolutely everything, but the police is involved with a warrent for your arrest, british style. It's happening; It's right outside your door and the doors wide open.
That's what you get you for putting everything in the hands of a few private corporations.
 
I'm not surprised that the court came to this conclusion, but I'll admit I'm concerned about the decision being a unanimous one. I know it's the Ninth Circuit and all, but still.
 
That's what you get you for putting everything in the hands of a few private corporations.
It's not just a few though, it's hundreds of them, and they're all moving in the same direction because the industry purged all internal opposition
 
This is going to cause even more problems here in the immediate and foreseeable future, and the SC needed to hear a case on this yesterday. Any retards using that argument would change their tone in a heartbeat if it were used against their speech. If they claim otherwise then they deserve to have their own tongues ripped out and their eyes gouged out. Go ahead and give me some tophats, I'm just fed up with the ninth circuit using the Bill of Rights as a cumrag.
 
So this is now one step closer to being in the supreme Court?
 
So this is now one step closer to being in the supreme Court?
It seems like every little thing is being pushed up to the SC, anymore. Almost as if lesser court rulings don't matter. If I were slightly more clever, I'd have a point to this statement.
 
Of course it was 9th Circuit. Left-wing and kissing the asses of Silicon Valley. Interestingly, California's court history does hold historic views contrary to this, notably Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins, which held that free speech rules did apply in technically private areas (with "reasonable" rules, although that's open to interpretation).
 
It seems like every little thing is being pushed up to the SC, anymore. Almost as if lesser court rulings don't matter. If I were slightly more clever, I'd have a point to this statement.
Everything gets pushed up to the SC because people are unwilling to accept a court case that doesn't go their way.
 
With this out of the way, now Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Reddit, and the rest of the (((privately owned))) websites can do some serious powerwashing on anything even hinting at being to the right of Karl Marx.

Everything.

You thought the purges of the past were bad? My dear child, how naïve you are. Buckle up for some real shit where not only are you Jones'd from absolutely everything, but the police is involved with a warrent for your arrest, british style. It's happening; It's right outside your door and the doors wide open.

The best part about all of this is that conservatives are the most likely to defend corporations and their right to do whatever they want. It's hilarious watching them get exactly what they both asked for and deserve.

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As bad as the results from this ruling might end up being I ultimately think it was the correct one. Google is a company of mercenaries who sell their expertise to and collaborate with authoritarian governments which oppress their citizens, up to and including public/private institutions in the US...But I don't think the internet is improved by setting a precedent of privately held for-profit infrastructure being treated as a public space. Imagine if Null had to take people to court in order to ban them. You might scoff at that but its not so crazy, especially in a world where your online presence grows increasingly connected to your actual personage.

It's not just a few though, it's hundreds of them, and they're all moving in the same direction because the industry purged all internal opposition

Would it be ironic if through doing this, they all made a case for the people needing to control the "Levers of power" so that infrastructure vital to the public interest isn't corrupted and taken over by vested interests?
 
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Yeah, they aren't bound by the first amendment. State should stay out of businesses yadayada.
That said, I won't feel bad if someone firebombs the HQ of google. That's [the speech, not the act although one can argue... alright I'll stop being autistic] covered by the 1A.
And no, not being ironic. I laughed at this.

Fuck these tech giants.
 
The best part about all of this is that conservatives are the most likely to defend corporations and their right to do whatever they want. It's hilarious watching them get exactly what they both asked for and deserve.

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You don't have to agree that somebody is not a hypocrite and asshole to think they got done dirty. Milo is a dick. He also was fucked over for things I wouldn't have agreed with punishing him for, and people who were not Milo would never have been punished for.

In my mind, this is less about whether YouTube or Facebook or what- the- fuck- ever can remove your content, and more about whether one of them should be able to remove you and then get all their buddies and all known payment processors to band together and preemptively ban you from everything. I don't care that Alex Jones got banned from Twitter. I care that a coordinated effort to remove him from his ability to work and communicate with the public followed and nobody cared to or was able to stop it.

Ideally the obvious monopolies would get broken up and we could decentralize the internet more fully, but in the absence of that I will take any ruling that gives the tech cunthouses pause next time they consider unilateral action against political enemies. All told, getting a ruling that YouTube MUST host your content is doomed to fail, but maybe this will lead to more attention to alternative platforms.
 
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